Hi All, could someone enlighten me please on how my friend and i had our energies zapped whilst trying to work with spirit even though we had grounded,done full protection and asked for only spirits of love and light to work with us etc etc.we decided to use a different tool this time to connect to spirit-we thought we'd try the ouija board,was the first time for my friend and i done it many many years ago(with good results i might add),nothing happened when we done it,not even a quiver.Did we over protect? are we not meant to go down that road?is it because we are witches? i'm confused coz all the years ive worked with spirits nothing like this has never happened before.My friend has an energy wheel that can monitor your energy in your hands,anyway before that day in question , i hit 25 on the scale(i'm a reiki master by the way)thats the highest level,my friend was impressed!We used the energy wheel after trying the ouija and we got to about 5 and it cut out! that happened several times, we thought it could be the battery so changed that,the same happened again,infact it just flickered,when my friend went home later that night he tried it again and he hit 20 not problems,so what happened to my house that day???The following day both myself and my friend felt flat,but not tired.We are okay now,we are just puzzled to how we can be zapped with so much protection:confused:..look forward to your replies blessing to all butterfly x
Oh so much skeptical and synical views. Because the tarot as well as many other tools of the ocult have been considerd `evil` or `not of God` Tarot have been used for thousands of years
Perhaps looking up the word `occult` in a dictionary will help. The word has much energy attached to it most of it false perceptions.
Lets not look at the tool or object here but the energy that it is being used with and the intent behind it. Any tool is as good as the eficiancy of the person who is working with it.:)
Much Love
Jill
Lets not look at the tool or object here but the energy that it is being used with and the intent behind it. Any tool is as good as the eficiancy of the person who is working with it.:)
Much Love
Jill
Jill well put
all i can add is
All in this plain sits in the freedom of free will, built on intention
Walk in the love made of acceptance, innocence in the joy of wonder in the experience.
Walk as the master of your own knowledge, in all experiencing with your own inner knowing
Walk in the joy of freedom in the illusions of judgments as you play in this life experience.
Walk in wonder and the joy of you emotions in the way the balance your being.
Walk as the guru for you are your own master of what you are being.
Walk as source in the freedom of being in this plain for you can experience any way of being in this plain
Walk in the love we send to all that walk this plain in what you want experience here
Enjoy your experience of being on this plain for its your choice, yours alone, as we bring your way of being to you so you can experience
Love to those that want the experience of hate, love to those that love the experience of joy.
Love to all
White Eagle whakontonka
I very Much Like that Vortex, thank you ((hugs)):)
Hi Ithariel
I understand what you are saying regarding the person using the tool.
The point I was making is the damage it can cause other people if it is used for the wrong reasons. Checking the word occult would not have made a lot of difference to me at the time - it makes a lot more sense to me now.
My views may have come across as synical but they were my expierience I was talking about and not judging anyone else. My daughter in her ignorance played about with something she knew little about- as a lot of teenagers did . She has a very lovely, caring nature so it was not with bad intent but ignorance!
Love and happiness are the most important things in life for a lot of people- but sometimes the road to it teaches us some hard lessons.
Love and hugs to you all.
Oh so much skeptical and synical views. Because the tarot as well as many other tools of the ocult have been considerd `evil` or `not of God` Tarot have been used for thousands of years
So, Jill, did you look up the link on how to create a fictitious ghost (it has effects but is not real)?
That's not cynical (spelled with a 'c' BTW) but actually science at work, which is fascinating IMHO, as it is so rarely applied to such subjects.
The important points about Philip-style experiments is that they accept (and prove) invisible energies, but demonstrate how treacherous this kind of performance can be. That they are often the product of our own subconscious mind.
All the best,
V
I have often speculated that because glass is mostly used as the medium for the Ouija board that its vibration's link to the dimensions of the lower spirits. May be absolute rubbish, but I have never heard of anybody having an enjoyable experience with the spirits contacted through a Ouija board.
Regards
The ouija board is a tool just like a pendulum, a deck of cards, dowsing rods.
So much superstitions surrounding this tool.
Perfectly safe if your intent is pure and have taken the necessary precautions so that only high energies are present.
I guess this brings us back to a topic we've been on before. How "high" are energies that need to speak through an ouija board? :confused: I have the image of Jesus having to use an ouija board in order to get any messages from God, or 'My Father'. :rolleyes:
A prime problem to me would still be that the 'Philip the Ghost' style experiments, which were replicated several times at least by other groups, scientifically prove that at least in some cases, the communications are then coming from a mass subconscious thought-form of all present. Or as Theosophy puts it, the ectoplasm builds up from people present, and is then used by mischievous and unwholesome elementals.
[One group were people I knew right here in the Midlands, England. As with the board, I was initially intrigued and for a couple of weeks would have joined them if asked, as they were friends. But once again I changed my mind: they were getting full table-levitations so ectoplasm was definitely being drained out of the sitters - a practice most sources would call very unhealthy. (They placed large scales under the table, on the floor untouched by anyone or anything, and these registered the weight of the table and then some: mutual and mixed ectoplasm from all present was being used to form a kind of lifting block, central beneath the table.)] Then you ask questions which can be answered by raps from ectoplasm: yes/no.
If Philip experiments prove that this subconscious communication with unreal ghosts (you invent a ghost who never really existed) is happening with at least some such communications, I've always wondered - "How many?" Could 95% or more be from subconscious thought-forms, when divination is used of a kind where ectoplasm is moving things? (What about spiritualism in general? :confused: .)
V
I have been reading this thread with much interest as I had a frightening experience many years ago as a silly bored teenager. Im not going to go into that, but it was enough to scare my friends and I away from the board for ever. I want to share with you about a women I looked after when I was working in a secure unit.
She was always mostly withdrawn, a very rarely spoke, all the staff were very wary of working with her as many of us thought she may be posessed, we would check her through the night and there would be santanic writings all over the walls or she might write it in greeting card. When she would turn violent and attack Id swear she could fly across the room at great speed, she would speak the most awful things with really bad lanuage when these shocking incidents happened. Then she would be her sweet self again.
One of the managers use to put a bible inder her pillow. Most of the time this women was fine and I was very fond of her, in fact I thought she was lovely. I worked with her for 6 years.
One of her relatives told me that she was a happy normal 16yr old when she and her friend played with the board alot, until one evening her friend stood up and cut her own throat whilst playing, with a glass that had broken and kiiled herself, this in turn triggored a breakdown bringing this lady to the place she is in now.
It so tragic and sad, alot of us working there were light workers and an abundance of Reiki, love, light, and prayers said for this lady.
Im sorry I dont believe that even the highest intentions would protect you from the dark evil that exists, but that is only my opinion.
With love and light x
Just to refer to the first part of your post, some people might think that you are making this up, but I know you are not. Without it involving so much 'spectacular' phenomena, as a student I met a girl through a friend who could not control being possessed on and off. (She did still function as a student as she was normally herself.) When you witness this for yourself, you do know that it's for real, and not a put-on.
I did some research and even travelled south to visit her mother. It turned out that her mother had had her teenage daughter, when she was only about 13-14, "trained" (i.e. opened up and all protective auric barriers broken) to be a trance medium. It was out of control in her early 20s, so if that's not child abuse, what is?
V
Years ago I was a nurse in a mental hospital. There were many patients classed as schizophrenic. I know believe that many of these cases involved some sort of spiritual possession.
I knew a person who was becoming possessed, Luckily a knowledgeable friend realized what was happening and steered that person to safety. This brush with a possessive spirit was the result of a badly run circle.
regards
I feel very sad for the people out there who are in mental hospitals due to spiritual possession . I am glad though that some staff are aware now of the difference unlike many years ago when people were very ignorant to all this. It must be very frustrating for staff to see this. How many cases have been put down to schizophrenia I often wonder?
My husband changed so much beyond believe before we split up. I remember looking at him one night and thinking I could almost see the devil in him.His temper was uncontrolable and he often turned on people like someone possessed - he never attacked me though [although things became close a few times] and I always felt his death was so needless.
I feel very lucky to be where I am now and know I came out of a situation a lot safer than I could have[ my children also].
The world has so much love in it and I give thanks for that as I believe it overcomes so much.
I was very careful to check my spelling today Venetian. I hope you approve!:p
Have a great day.
Love and light.x
How many cases have been put down to schizophrenia I often wonder?
Or - when I first met a shizophrenic, I wondered: well, what is it anyway, at least in some cases? Maybe being unhealthily opened up to discarnates, to turn that around. Then as an 'illness' it's given a name....
I was very careful to check my spelling today Venetian. I hope you approve!:p
Oh, sorry, lol! Often I'm not and have to correct later...
V
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I was very careful to check my spelling today Venetian. I hope you approve!:p
Oh, sorry, lol! Often I'm not and have to correct later...
Ummmm.....;)
xxx
Don't poke fun at us, S. :rolleyes:
VV
Don't poke fun at us, S. :rolleyes:
VV
I wasn't, V. I was just poking fun at you. :D:D:D
xxx
Oh, poke all the fun you like at him!
But to get back on track. Apologies, anyone. There are people with schizophrenia who post here, and even that's not the original thread-topic.
(I had to do an evening 'A'-level in Psych before I could get onto a degree in it, and in my very small class (three) I befriended someone who eventually casually told me that he had it, and told me about the voices, etc. I don't know why I'm mentioning this here, but I was young and just didn't know what to say in reply - quite poignant, so it sticks in the memory.)
I guess the link back to the thread here is that there are all sorts of unseen forces, energies, unwholesome entities, according to much esotericism. So what really comes through an ouija? And the classic esoteric saying is that it attracts unwholesome things of whatever description which then stick with you. A kind of 'way in'.
A spiritual teacher of mine once gave a talk in London where he began, "Is a fish actually aware that it's swimming in water?" The idea is, it won't be, just as we rarely think about air. We only normally sense physical objects, sound, etc. But we're right smack-bang in, and have bodies in, are effected by, and are surrounded by, the astral plane as well. Which is simply teaming with energies and thought-forms and beings of all sorts.
V
Hi All, could someone enlighten me please on how my friend and i had our energies zapped whilst trying to work with spirit even though we had grounded,done full protection and asked for only spirits of love and light to work with us etc etc.we decided to use a different tool this time to connect to spirit-we thought we'd try the ouija board,was the first time for my friend and i done it many many years ago(with good results i might add),nothing happened when we done it,not even a quiver.Did we over protect? are we not meant to go down that road?is it because we are witches? i'm confused coz all the years ive worked with spirits nothing like this has never happened before.My friend has an energy wheel that can monitor your energy in your hands,anyway before that day in question , i hit 25 on the scale(i'm a reiki master by the way)thats the highest level,my friend was impressed!We used the energy wheel after trying the ouija and we got to about 5 and it cut out! that happened several times, we thought it could be the battery so changed that,the same happened again,infact it just flickered,when my friend went home later that night he tried it again and he hit 20 not problems,so what happened to my house that day???The following day both myself and my friend felt flat,but not tired.We are okay now,we are just puzzled to how we can be zapped with so much protection:confused:..look forward to your replies blessing to all butterfly x
well from one (ex) reiki master to another i am having a hard time believing someone with the experience you qoute getting sucked into ouiji:rolleyes:...i lernt very early on that its to be avioded and everyone i spoke to [pillars of the spiritual community ] did'nt have a good word to say about it to put it mildly..so bad they refused to even speak in details about it.....what i do know it was designed and marketed as a game so you should'nt be surprised that you have got yourselfs played and fingers burnt....i have even heard of deaths involved with it and that includes someone who i was at school with.....with that in mind consider yourselfs the luckier ones put it down to experience and steer well clear would be my advice.
The ouija board is a tool just like a pendulum, a deck of cards, dowsing rods.
So much superstitions surrounding this tool.
Perfectly safe if your intent is pure and have taken the necessary precautions so that only high energies are present.
actually iam not so sure on this rosi.....my gut feeling on ouiji is that it was born from an entirly satanic conception and will consequently badly stain any work done with it....until anyone shows me some historic evidence to prove otherwise that is:)....i got spirit whisperining in my ear that the name ouiji is a name of a very unpleasent ancient demon...poss sumerian....of course i could be well wide of the mark:D......ive heard similiar bad things said re the origin of tarot [born of ancient eyptian black magic] but i know it goes back way further than that...all the way back to the original root race that seeded earth...such is the universal truth contained in the tarot i am certain of it.
Thanks folks for all your interesting replies,you'll be glad to know i wont be doing the ouija board again,but whats the best way to discard it safely? its a homemade one with cut out letters/numbers..blessings butterfly x
Thanks folks for all your interesting replies,you'll be glad to know i wont be doing the ouija board again,but whats the best way to discard it safely? its a homemade one with cut out letters/numbers..blessings butterfly x
The object or thing itself has no power at all. It's the energy coming out of people using it which can be misused IMHO. It's just wood, card, paper or whatever. It can just go into the bin. Or whatever. 
V
The object or thing itself has no power at all. It's the energy coming out of people using it which can be misused IMHO. It's just wood, card, paper or whatever. It can just go into the bin. Or whatever.
V
Definitely not toxic waste then !!! 
Definitely not toxic waste then !!!
LOL, well the other way to go would be to be needlessly superstitious. We could do that and say, "Getting rid af an ouija board is serious business! Put on your pointed hat and draw a pentacle. But first wait until the next new moon to do this. Invoke protection. Then repeat these words..." (Etc., etc.!)
Mine was a polished, elegant-looking thing which I purchased from the States mail-order...... It still went into the bin once I realised I didn't want it and wouldn't be using it.
V
Hiya
I have always been advised that ouija boards are a big no-no, even for those used to working with energy, because of the naughty spirits they seem to attract. It seems to me that protecting and grounding would indeed make the board unable to work!
I don't think there's any need to use these boards. Just ask and you will receive.
This is not always true. I've known boards to work perfectly well when the persons grounded and protected.
im amazed that so many people are using these boards, the girls in the office was
working in used to use it in thier breaks till one day the doors and wndows all slammed shut and wouldnt open for several minutes, said board was thrown in
bin.
l&l
I've known boards to work perfectly well when the persons grounded and protected.
There's the quandry... in order to use the boards properly you have to have some basic knowledge, such as *how* to g&p. Thing is, most people don't have a clue about it and even those who do can get into trouble.
It's like going into a bad part of town late at night... unless you know exactly what you're doing or are 'badder' than those you can expect to meet, you're well advised to steer clear... 