our energies were zapped doing the ouija board

Hiya

I have always been advised that ouija boards are a big no-no, even for those used to working with energy, because of the naughty spirits they seem to attract. It seems to me that protecting and grounding would indeed make the board unable to work!

I don't think there's any need to use these boards. Just ask and you will receive.

Hi chris,yes they do have that stigma attached to them where people feel they are not a good tool to work with.I also do trance mediumship and have a cabinet made especally to sit in.My opinion is i feel that both leave you vunerable to energies/spirits etc,as long as you do your protection etc..it was just a bit bizarre that we both flatlined that day..blessings x

If you play games with kids' toys you'll get treated like kids in return....

"grounded, done full protection, asked for spirits of love"? Mumbo-jumbo! Give me a break. You think that's gonna stop the mischief-makers when you open yourselves in that way?

It's as daft as asking thieves not to come in if you throw the door of your home wide open. What would you expect to happen?

Have you any understanding what it means when you talk about 'spirit'? Or of the nature of those whose spiritual development has a long way to go, those still very close to the physical?

Who do you think you are dealing with when you refer to 'spirit'? Or perhaps you don't know that these are simply discarnate individuals and not some form of magical, mystical beings?

Sorry Mac but you obviously don't understand what your talking about so best you read up on it...blessings butterfly

Actually, butterfly, if I remember rightly from Mac's previous posts, he knows quite a lot so I wouldn't dismiss his comments out of hand. Read them again - he may be a little brusquer than you'd been expecting on this forum but what he says makes sense.
xxx

Sorry Mac but you obviously don't understand what your talking about so best you read up on it...blessings butterfly

Aplogies for my brusqueness but sunanda has put it rather concisely.

I could suggest some reading up for yourself to improve your understanding of the true nature of 'spirit' but as a Reiki Master I guess you'll already have learned all there is to know about 'spirit'. And of course you've got an energy wheel to help. My daughter had a Ghostbusters' PKE meter which she used with much the same effectiveness.

Suggested sauce for this goose is perhaps more appropriate for the gander....

Just to put another spin on it

Spirit has all ways told me its your intention when using any tool and what your intention is also is where your protection lies
You can protect your self all you like but if your intention doses not sit in love for all as you work you will bring in all sorts of energies that are not desirable
Same can be said about the tools but in saying that if you send love to all love. All that you judge on this plain as evil, good, hate, fear, extra you wont need such tools, cards, extra

Walk in love as your protection and you will see you don’t need protection from spirit
Walk in love of all that is this plain in the freedom of fear
Walk in love as the energy fills all your being and all met in love

Walk one with all that is this plain
Love to all

Ouija Boards have so much stigma to them, and personally I feel its a Pile of **** As when you use any tool with pure intent, and the wisdom/skil to back it up then there very minimal chace of anything happening.

Indeed there are a lot energy paracites, an ouija is a door way to such lower realms and lower astral realms. If we have a vulnrabity, then an lower/heavy energy can get `in` on it. Such energies are never to be underestimated, and when dealing with such we do need to know who and what we are about, where we are strong, and where we are not. (deep complex story)

The more we know our selves, and our energy fields, how they work, then we know what we are inviting in, or what is around us, when it comes to any form of entity, be is lower dimensional or higher dimensional.

Tip-Lower astrals affect the head, spinal colum
Divne energies-compassionate, gentle, soothing (healing)

There has been some valid points made here by other peeps, I will add that perhaps you need to ask for the Highest vibrational energy to suround you and to come through the board (levels of light or higher) Meaning energies of a upper plateux will come to assist.

Signs of lower vibrational energies
Cold
shivers
headaches
Energy drain gradual or rapid
Dizzy
Lack of focus/attention
nausea
Feelings of unease/discomfort without explanation

Now this is by no means all the `ins and outs` but it will get you started. By te way Reiki does not protect;)

Blessings
Jill

"I will add that perhaps you need to ask for the Highest vibrational energy to suround you and to come through the board (levels of light or higher) Meaning energies of a upper plateux will come to assist."
Why would it be necessary to ask for this?

Wouldn't you agree that sitters working with sincere motives, and with serious intent, will automatically attract those of similar intent? Like attracts like. Perhaps that is what you mean when you say "....energies of a upper plateux will come to assist" ?

In simple terms, discarnates ('spirits' if you can only conceive of them as such) of a more-elevated status will want to help sincere enquirers. But they may still be overwhelmed by the strength of lesser-evolved entities.

Considering the background of ouija board use over many decades, however, might it not be expected that those of lesser development, those who are unable (or unwilling) to communicate in any other way, are much more likely to be the attracted entities?

It is possible for an ouija board to be used with serious intent and it may achieve satisfactory results in certain circumstances. It is not, however, a tool suitable for many purposes.

Ouija boards and all thing like it are almost always going to be used against you, or used in trickery against you, by (1) your own mutual subconscious - do a google search on Philip the Ghost - or (2) elementals, or (3) earthbound and unwholesome discarnates.

It's really not a brilliant idea at all. What in fact is the actual point?

(i'm a reiki master by the way)

Very impressive. LOL, I sometimes feel I'm one of the few people on these forums who is not! :p

V

I just looked and found that Google is now very poor on links to the Philip the Ghost experiments.

So here is one:

But moreover, HP itself is replete with threads about the Philip the Ghost phenomenon in relation to - not ouija boards, but table-rapping which I'm sure comes from the same sources. (I see that Mac was here even back in 2003?? Hi Mac!) So you can put the term into an HP search as well to see previous discussions. I'd really suggest that you should ...

Friends of mine in England replicated the Philip experiments, and were sucked dry of prana or life-energy, so I never did partake.

Wouldn't dream of it TBH.

What these experiments proved beyond doubt is that at least some "spiritualist" engagements, and certainly using the ouija board, create your own fictitious ghost from your own mutual subconscious - which on national Canadian TV, live, even levitated a table and took over the show. But you pay for that loss of ectoplasm - it's unhealthy.

Were you to read the books of say, C.W. Leadbeater, he goes on to document all the other unhealthy things that come through from ouija boards and other methods.

Again, I'd ask: why? What's the point? Or should I say - motive?

V

I just looked and found that Google is now very poor on links to the Philip the Ghost experiments.

So here is one:

But moreover, HP itself is replete wth threads about the Philip the Ghost phenomenon in relation to ouija boards. (I see that Mac was here even back in 2003?? Hi Mac!) So you can put the term into an HP search as well to see previous discussions. I'd really suggest that you should ...

Friends of mine in England replicated the Philip experiments, and were sucked dry of prana or life-energy, so I never did partake.

Wouldn't dream of it TBH.

V

Hi, V, yes I'm still around, even after all this time!

'Conjuring up Philip' is (I believe) the title of the book detailing the experiment.

I had considered buying it while I am over t'other side (of the big pond!:)) but the whole venture was of a psychic nature and I don't do psychic so I didn't bovver :dft012:!

For those with an interest in psychic issues I reckon it would be an interesting read. When I checked some time back, however, I could only find Canadian sources of second hand books so it could be hard to find over here...

Getting back to the topic thread though, my personal stance about ouija boards is that in general they should not be used as sitters leave themselves wide open to 'stuff' they'd do better to avoid.

But as in all matters, "Yer pays yer money and yer takes yer chance."

Hi, V, yes I'm still around, even after all this time!

As are a few of us. 🙂 You'd be - what? 85 by now? 🙂

'Conjuring up Philip' is (I believe) the title of the book detailing the experiment.

Yes, it's so loooong ago, the 1970s. I must have read that book and do recall it but do not recall the contents. My shorter link probably gives the essentials.

But as in all matters, "Yer pays yer money and yer takes yer chance."

I think it all ends up as a bottom line with motive. If your motive is pure (a big subject in itself) then all is well. Personally I've only found the motive within my heart to somewhat painfully ground out a better spirituality. I lost interest in trying to "contact the dead" or to "gain powers" before I left my teens behind. 🙂

V

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Hi, V, yes I'm still around, even after all this time!
As are a few of us. 🙂 You'd be - what? 85 by now? :)"

Sure feels that way at times!!! :):):):):)

Hiya

I don't think there's any need to use these boards. Just ask and you will receive.

Having worked as a trance medium and sitting in many closed circles etc since 1962 I would agree with Chris. But my experience tells me that a seeker will sometimes try something, just for the fact that it is available. That of course is their free will. but I do fail to understand what being a reiki master has to do with a Ouija Board.

Sorry Mac but you obviously don't understand what your talking about so best you read up on it...blessings butterfly

Hi Butterfly.
I am sure Mac is confident that he does know what he is talking about, as I am sure you do. As do I and many others.

No two books or explanations are exactly the same, in fact some are poles apart, so IMHO none of us truly know all the answers, but I have to say that the last 40 odd years have been fascinating, working teaching and learning and learning and learning etc etc. But one thing that I have found is that for me working is simple, as Chris said all I do is simply ask.

"but I do fail to understand what being a reiki master has to do with a Ouija Board."

I'm not a Reiki master either!

I know only what I have picked up from reading about the subject but it seems that 'spirit' in Reiki is a very different 'spirit' to the one taught in Spiritualism.

The impression I gain is that Reiki is about our psyche rather than our spirit....???

But what do I know?

mac;558806
I know only what I have picked up from reading about the subject but it seems that 'spirit' in Reiki is a very different 'spirit' to the one taught in Spiritualism.

Ah but there is the rub Mac. IMHO and many others, the spirit (guide) in reiki is the same as the spirit (Guide) in Spiritual Healing, therefore they are the same as taught in Spirit(guide)ualism.:rolleyes:

I would definitely would say Mac knows what he is talking about
It must be 8 or 9 years ago now on the old hp site when I was more of the planet than on, people like mac and others grounded in the knowledge of spirit kept me from thinking I was completely nuts, from a guy that was a complete atheist and sceptic and to have what happened to me if it was not for people like mac and there wisdom in the early days I don’t know where I would be know, in the loony bin

Thanks mac I can remember you where the first to answer my first real question I wrote on hp and it was spot on that why i remember your name
thanks for all the time and wisdom you gave me
And thanks to the others here in those old days

I would definitely would say Mac knows what he is talking about
It must be 8 or 9 years ago now on the old hp site when I was more of the planet than on, people like mac and others grounded in the knowledge of spirit kept me from thinking I was completely nuts, from a guy that was a complete atheist and sceptic and to have what happened to me if it was not for people like mac and there wisdom in the early days I don’t know where I would be know, in the loony bin

Thanks mac I can remember you where the first to answer my first real question I wrote on hp and it was spot on that why i remember your name
thanks for all the time and wisdom you gave me
And thanks to the others here in those old days

Thank you for your kindness. 🙂

I am touched that you remember. I am heartened that I was able to help a little...

mac

Ah but there is the rub Mac. IMHO and many others, the spirit (guide) in reiki is the same as the spirit (Guide) in Spiritual Healing, therefore they are the same as taught in Spirit(guide)ualism.:rolleyes:

Ah, yes! But I also formed my judgement based on what I had read/heard from others who claimed to be practitioners. And I vividly remember that what they told me - what they had learned and what they taught others - was somewhat different to my own understanding of matters:dft012:

enough already - going off-topic now!

ouja board= not good. not to play with, best go to spiritualist church if want hear from other side safer then ouija board...............:eek:

Amethystfairy:)

ouja board= not good. not to play with, best go to spiritualist church if want hear from other side safer then ouija board...............:eek:

I was an atheist and believed only in the material world until my late teens. Once overcoming my materialism, buying an ouija board was one of the first things I did. I'm afraid I quickly dabbled in all kinds of things very quickly. (Like getting a book on how to regress people into past lives: I got to an early chapter on how to do it, practised on a friend, and in the past life he hung himself and was choking right there in the present-day bed. I hadn't yet read on about how to bring people back! :eek::D. But I digress.)

Maybe other peoples' motives differ, but as a teen with an ouija board I have to say I just wanted excitement and "phenomena", a poor motive indeed, and adolescent. I tried it a couple of times alone, so of course nothing happened, then got this gut-feeling it all just wasn't a good idea. I binned it, and it'll be deep underneath an old land-fill now .....

V

I think venetian has hit it on the head

Most people that use ouija board are dabbling and on intention of other participants, and you don’t know their intentions
I have never used one but mainly because never had the need to and would not know how to get hold of one

Like in the shaman way of thinking intention and being focused on what you want to do with spirit if you work with one clear goal, out come, propose for talking to spirit, if not what sort of out come can you expect, you would be lucky to get any out come or pick up the heaver energy that just want to play to like you, and they can be fun if you if you know how to handle them and don’t sit in fear of them but I don’t recommend that of a novice.

But cards are individual and the information is give to the card reader
The way they work a question is asked the stigma of them is of a higher source

This to me is just common sense and is backed with the way spirit works with me

From a higher perspective all is energy including you, all is one energy including you and spirit as individual is an illusion for us here.
Heavy, negative energy as such is a personal judgment of god, universe, the oneness or just simply what is, source.
Source, you, your illusion of self created judgments, facts, truths makes your reality and it not the truth it just what you perceive it to be
A good way of looking at it is
We are all god extra having an individual experience here, the human experience on the planet of choice and to have choice you have to have judgment and to act on that choice, intention and our emotions question our choices, created perfect for this experience

In this perspective you can see how much control over a ouija board you have and the illusion we perceive spirit here with the responsibility for source in what we bring to our source with our intention, and understanding our judgments, emotions and not letting them govern our reality here

To put it simply
What has happened is just that happened, that’s all it is, it’s passed, gone, all we have is now
Our judgments and emotions are important but not fact, or what is, but give us choices that change our intentions and god, source works with us on your intentions



Any that’s my illusion at the moment here ha ha

Maybe other peoples' motives differ, but as a teen with an ouija board I have to say I just wanted excitement and "phenomena", a poor motive indeed, and adolescent. I tried it a couple of times alone, so of course nothing happened, then got this gut-feeling it all just wasn't a good idea. I binned it, and it'll be deep underneath an old land-fill now .....

I can assure you that your motives at the time, have been the same for many of us. Strangely enough with the same gut feeling :eek:(or what):eek:

The Vortex;559035
But cards are individual and the information is give to the card reader
The way they work a question is asked the stigma of them is of a higher source This to me is just common sense and is backed with the way spirit works with me.

I assume that you have only used the cards for one to one readings?
I can assure you that they have a very dark and sinister/satanic past/present as bad if not worse than any ouija board.

Hi,

can I just put another spin on the ouija board subject please. I feel I should tell this story to make others aware of the dangers of ouija boards.

Years ago, I stayed in a house with my two teenagers and a husband who had health problems which got gradually worse.

I spoke to a clairvoyant at the time as I had this sudden feeling of bad energy being in the house at night and wondered why.
She advised that I continiously say the lord's prayer if I woke up and felt this energy and to ask for protection which I did.
I shall not go into too much detail but can confirm my husband spoke of seeing things during the night - he was pressed up close to the wall terrified about something he could see one night and remembered it vividly the next day. He had been working with ouiji boards way before this and I did not have the expeirience to know how to have space clearing done or know this was needed at the time but I do know my husband died a very unhappy man in his thirties and I know he had something in and around him that was very black and helped make his health problems worse.

It turned out , I discovered , years later it was my daughter who had used the board in the house which was causing the upset.Her brother who was only around 14 at the time had the sense to throw it out the house. Both her and her friend terified themselves with it.
They are very dangerous things in the wrong hands and I only now ,years later, understand the half of the upset which was going on, there was a great deal more around my husband after we split up and just before he died and a lot had happened before we were together that I did not know enough about at the time.

As this is just my dealings with ouija boards I cannot comment on anyone else and their use of them but I had an instinct even as a child to leave them well alone.
As a Reiki healer and Angel Teacher I have asked to have a lot of healing sent to the past to cut the cords of this sadness and heavy energy in and around my partner and daughter from that time. I only wish I had the experience I have now as it could have prevented so much but we all choose our life's path.

On a lighter note my daughter and I are very happy people now and living life to the full. I will be marrying a wonderful man this summer and my ex partner shall be there cheering me on I am sure.

My advice is though - to leave well alone.

Love and light.x.:FIFangel:x

Ok I am baffled, did some one say cards (tarot/oracle) hold a very dark energy and are worse than the ouija...:confused:

I could be wrong

Ok I am baffled, did some one say cards (tarot/oracle) hold a very dark energy and are worse than the ouija...:confused:

I could be wrong

Prior to them being used as they are today, they were used in occult practices.