Would this be the best kind of massage for me?

Hi Amy

Best person on here to ask about lymphatic massage is Jabba the Hut.

All forms of massage will stimulate the lymphatics to a lesser or greater degree.

Shiatsu may be based on an energy paradigm, but it is still works on the physical and immune system. The symptoms you quote could be helped by shiatsu, probably imbalance in the Spleen and Kidney energy systems. And you don't have to take your kit off 😮

Hope that helps.

RP

Thanks for this info. 🙂

Here I am!!!!!

Lymphatic drainage can benefit everyone, regardless of shape, size or age. My client range is babies to a 98 year old, from a 5lb baby, to a hulky 35 stone chap who has very ticklish feet!!!

You don't have to be naked, but down to underwear is preferable - I encourage my ladies to discard their bras for treatment, as tight bras can impede lymph movement over the chest . We are all good at 'draping' so nothing is exposed that doesn't need to be. I don't use oil, but do make sure that my hands are moisturized. An MLD practitioner aims to move the skin, not slide over it, to encourage the superficial lymphatics to drain into the deeper vessels and stimulate the whole system.

It is a fantastically relaxing technique, and quite stimulating at the same time, as it encourages elimination - so you will end up have a few visits to the loo. To find a practitioner, there is a list at [url]Home - MLD UK[/url]

And, as RP says, shiatsu is good and Bowen and reiki and MFR and acupressure......... I could go on, but do give MLD a try!

Jabba - thanks so much. That's exactly what I needed to know. I do actually have a local place that does it.

Important info re. High blood pressure & massage

I went to make an appointment today for lymphatic drainage massage and, more as an afterthought, enquired about whether it would affect my having high blood pressure. (I was concerned about feeling whoozy afterwards as I once was with acupuncture). I'm glad I asked! I learnt that massage is not advisable for those who have high blood pressure.

Just to be sure I googled search and found lots of confirmation on this - here is one such source

[url]Hypertension: Massage Indication or Contraindication? | Institute for Integrative Healthcare Studies[/url]

Amy I just sent a PM.

If you read the whole of the article that you posted, you would see that it goes on to explain how massage can be beneficial for HPB.

MLD, done properly, can help to stabilise and reduce blood pressure. Make sure that the MLD therapist is adequately trained - the technique should not be compared to deep tissue massage which might antagonise blood pressure. Are you on meds for the HPB? Any therapist would take your presenting conditions into consideration and then treat accordingly.

Amy I just sent a PM.

If you read the whole of the article that you posted, you would see that it goes on to explain how massage can be beneficial for HPB.

MLD, done properly, can help to stabilise and reduce blood pressure. Make sure that the MLD therapist is adequately trained - the technique should not be compared to deep tissue massage which might antagonise blood pressure. Are you on meds for the HPB? Any therapist would take your presenting conditions into consideration and then treat accordingly.

Well I did read the article I posted up to the 'rupturing of blood vessels!'...:eek: Kind of put me off right there. That it is problematic is enough for me not to go ahead. It's supposed to be relaxing .... I'd be far too worried. Yes I am on medication for HPB.

Before I made the appointment, I was given some info describing the massage procedure which made no mention of any contraindications, i.e. I only found out by asking! This concerns me and I would like to do something about it (by way of warning others). I don't feel it should be left for me to attend a session before I was told the relevant information, do you? Do you have any suggestions on how best to proceed with addressing this matter?

There were 3 manual lymphatic drainage practitioners at this health clinic - all with manual lymphatic drainage diplomas (ranging from 2001, 2002 and 2008).

Hi Amy

When I had a series of MLD treatments it was very gentle indeed - much lighter than shiatsu even. There is no way it could cause ruptured blood vessels - in fact I was concrned it was not enough pressure! I was told it is beneficial for those with oedema to help with drainage of the lymphatic vessels which lie close under the skin.

All this is a long way from deep tissue massage where it might be possible to cause problems if done by someone who is unaware of the consequences of their actions on someone with HBP.

Sorry to hear of your problems, Amy. Seeing things in a different light. Poor thing, you must be stressed out.

I hope the MLD helps you.

Hi Amy

When I had a series of MLD treatments it was very gentle indeed - much lighter than shiatsu even. There is no way it could cause ruptured blood vessels - in fact I was concrned it was not enough pressure! I was told it is beneficial for those with oedema to help with drainage of the lymphatic vessels which lie close under the skin.

All this is a long way from deep tissue massage where it might be possible to cause problems if done by someone who is unaware of the consequences of their actions on someone with HBP.

Whilst I understand what you say here, I cannot ignore that HBP is cited as being a contraindication to massage on so many sites as to be sufficiently concerning. This
cannot be brushed aside or overlooked I feel.

Whilst I understand what you say here, I cannot ignore that HBP is cited as being a contraindication to massage on so many sites as to be sufficiently concerning. This
cannot be brushed aside or overlooked I feel.

I have to disagree with MLD. I wouldn't even call it massage - it's more like effleurage.

I have to disagree with MLD. I wouldn't even call it massage - it's more like effleurage.

Absolutely agree with your disagree, Caroline! And, whilst some forms of MLD are like effleurage, Vodder MLD is not. It is an incredibly light technique which when applied moves the skin - not the muscle, so there is virtually no stimulation of the underlying vascular or arterial system.

If lymph drainage massage is 'deep' or causes reddening of the skin, then it ain't MLD!!!

A register of MLD practitioners can be found on [url]Home - MLD UK[/url] - any questions, call their office, the number is on the site.

Further investigation (from various sites) has yielded the information that, for those
who have chronic high blood pressure, it is advisable to contact their GP when
considering MLD. Would you disagree with this too?

Hi Amy

Most therapists seeing a new client would begin by taking a brief medical history to identify what sort of massage the client is looking for and prompt for any conditions which could mean massage is contraindicated.

I don't do many treatment these days but back in the 90s when I trained we were taught if a client arrived with chronic high blood pressure or a number of other conditions then we should make sure they checked with their GP if it was ok they had massage. In 15 years I had many clients with chronic high blood pressure who enjoyed regular massage (some even found it helped) and never once had a GP say their patient shouldn't go ahead. Usually GPs are positive as, these days, most are aware of the benefits and there is a lot of clinical evidence supporting massage for conditions such as high blood pressure.

Only had MLD once but have to agree with Jabba and Caroline that it was so gentle I'm not sure it's really massage (I fell asleep!) but certainly it's worth a chat with your GP to see if he/she feels massage or MLD or some other therapy would be helpful.

Hope that helps