To be Free

Hi Daz

There does not always need to be a reason for something, if we choose to stop worrying and being judgemental, then we can just become one with our life experience and simply flow with it as it unfolds within the now.

Hi mate,

Something always happens because of something else . Call it a chain reaction, call it cause and effect or whatever but the reason for this and the reason for that will be because of this and because of that .

Not everyone will be conscious of the reason .. and you guessed it! _ there is a reason for why that is so .

x dazzle x

Hi Daz

Something always happens because of something else . Call it a chain reaction, call it cause and effect or whatever but the reason for this and the reason for that will be because of this and because of that .

I agree that within the confines of our everyday thinking aspect of consciousness which is commonly referred to as our thinking mind, everything is perceived that way, it is after all our seat of reason.

Alongside our everyday thinking aspect of consciousness we have other aspects of consciousness and some do not rationalise and analyse everything, does not need to ask why and look for an answer or explanation to everything, but is happy to just be.

Not everyone will be conscious of the reason .. and you guessed it! _ there is a reason for why that is so .

The reason is simply because not everyone is aware that they have more than one aspect of consciousness, so they are not aware of everything which is happening within the fullness of self.

Hi Daz
Alongside our everyday thinking aspect of consciousness we have other aspects of consciousness and some do not rationalise and analyse everything, does not need to ask why and look for an answer or explanation to everything, but is happy to just be.

I agree with that paul ..but..:)

lets take snow for example . The snow falls because there needs to be certain conditions present in order for it to manifest .

If one disengages with knowing the reason as to why the snow falls it will still fall regardless and it will only fall because of certain conditional related reasons .

One can just be and admire the beauty of the snow falling but not knowing of the reason and not evaluating intellectually speaking as to why it does _ does not remove the reason for why it does .

x daz x

Sorry you have lost me there Daz, I can't see the relevance between the natural cycles of the physical properties of water and the way we rob ourselves of freedom by our judgemental attachments and beliefs within aspects of our consciousness!

Sorry you have lost me there Daz, I can't see the relevance between the natural cycles of the physical properties of water and the way we rob ourselves of freedom by our judgemental attachments and beliefs within aspects of our consciousness!

we have other aspects of consciousness and some do not rationalise and analyse everything,

I was saying that regardless to whether these aspects of self that do not rationalise and analyse everything reasons for this and reasons for that still exist .

As like it matters not if one understands the reasons as to why it snows . It will still snow because of whatever reason that may be .

Knowing the reasons as to why the snow falls or anything else doesn't take anything away from being . One can still be _ and know .

An individual that is being and embracing self still knows what one knows .

If knowing why a reason for this and knowing why a reason for that exists within one's mind then so be it .

If an individual is functioning in a self realized state one still knows that when the traffic light turns red that one must stop the car by means of applying the brakes .

What aspects of knowing the reasons for this or for that hinders a state of being paul?

x dazzle x

Hi Daz

It is acceptance which allows things to flow within us, not realisation.

Knowing that we actively restrict ourselves through our judgemental beliefs that we are not worthy or good enough etc to do or have something, will not resolve the problem of us blocking ourselves.

It is only when we are prepared to let go of the judgemental attachment to the belief that we are not worthy and replace it with non-judgemental self acceptance, that we set ourself free to achieve whatever goal we have been blocking ourselves from.

That is what to be free means.

Hi Daz

It is acceptance which allows things to flow within us, not realisation.

Acceptance is attained in order to realize :p

Knowing that we actively restrict ourselves through our judgemental beliefs that we are not worthy or good enough etc to do or have something, will not resolve the problem of us blocking ourselves.

It is only when we are prepared to let go of the judgemental attachment to the belief that we are not worthy and replace it with non-judgemental self acceptance, that we set ourself free to achieve whatever goal we have been blocking ourselves from.

That is what to be free means.

How does any of that relate to knowing and being?

knowing the reason for why the snow falls isn't judging the process _ its just understanding the process .

Let me ask you again _ what does knowing the reason for anything hinder one from a being of a state of being or from embracing self or whatever .

Knowing something and being in judgement of that knowing and being attached to the knowing are two different things .

x dazzle x

Knowing that we actively restrict ourselves through our judgemental beliefs that we are not worthy or good enough etc to do or have something, will not resolve the problem of us blocking ourselves.

I can agree with this, but does not the realisation precede the letting go? Isn’t this partly the reason that you keep telling us that we restrict ourselves? So that we can realise it and then accept?

I can agree with this, but does not the realisation precede the letting go? Isn’t this partly the reason that you keep telling us that we restrict ourselves? So that we can realise it and then accept?

Hi Crowan .

I see the letting go and having acceptance is what allows the realization to the fore .

x dazzle x

Hi Daz

Acceptance is attained in order to realize :p

If we were to accept that we are judgemental, then we have gained an understanding of being judgemental and our realisation is of the judgements that are being applied to self.

This is different to applying unconditional self acceptance, where no self judgement is being applied, so there is nothing to realise only accept.

Let me ask you again _ what does knowing the reason for anything hinder one from a being of a state of being or from embracing self or whatever .

Knowing that doing certain things will make us bad in our own and other people's opinions or believing that we are not good enough, will restrict our freedom; that self restriction will set up a core way of being that is in direct conflict to self, that will hinder us from being true to self and stop us from embracing self in an open and non-judgemental way.

Knowing something and being in judgement of that knowing and being attached to the knowing are two different things .

Knowing self without judgement is completely different to knowing self through a self restricting judgement.

Hi Crowan

does not the realisation precede the letting go? Isn’t this partly the reason that you keep telling us that we restrict ourselves? So that we can realise it and then accept?

No we can let go without realisation, we do not always need to understand the problem to change self, unfortunately we often see people who fully understand that they have created their own problems, but that understanding or realisation does not give them the understanding of how to transform one way of being into another way of being.

I am hopeful when explaining the workings of self to people, that they might gain enough understanding of the underlying conflicts for them to be able to help themselves, understanding that self rejection will not make us whole is a good starting point for someone to decide if they wish to become whole or not.

I am hopeful when explaining the workings of self to people, that they might gain enough understanding of the underlying conflicts for them to be able to help themselves, understanding that self rejection will not make us whole is a good starting point for someone to decide if they wish to become whole or not.

Are you saying that anyone who is not 'whole' is self-rejecting? Not everyone thinks they are 'not worthy' - some of us don't even understand the concept. We can make judgements about all kind of other things - 'is it safe to cross the road?' for example. I agree about the uselessness of pre-judgment, predjudice, judging based on false beliefs. But what about judgments based on true beliefs?

Hi Crowan

Are you saying that anyone who is not 'whole' is self-rejecting? Not everyone thinks they are 'not worthy' - some of us don't even understand the concept. We can make judgements about all kind of other things - 'is it safe to cross the road?' for example. I agree about the uselessness of pre-judgment, predjudice, judging based on false beliefs. But what about judgments based on true beliefs?

A false belief is something that we have chosen to perceive as false, to someone else it is true, let go of the belief and there is no true or false, only what is.

A false belief is something that we have chosen to perceive as false, to someone else it is true, let go of the belief and there is no true or false, only what is.

'What is' is how most people understand 'true'. And there are quite clearly opinions that you think are 'what is' and others that you don't.

'What is' is how most people understand 'true'. And there are quite clearly opinions that you think are 'what is' and others that you don't.

Hmmm... unfortunately a lot of "what is" is covered up and people can't see it because of their own preconceived ideas in the mind or "learnt responses" that have been instilled into them by others. So, we can agree that 'what is' is the truth, but I'm not sure we could say that "most people" understand that. If they did then they wouldn't have self limiting beliefs and issues in life.

The 'what is' that is true is the same 'what is' that is true for all. It's not about opinions, but about what is really there without judgement. Clearly if there is conflict or differences (as we see with duality) then one or both sides are not seeing the truth. When there is non-duality then all becomes one, and the truth is naturally there as an aspect of Oneness. (it's tricky to put into words).... small example.... if one person can see beauty in something, but another sees ugliness, then that thing cannot be both beauty and ugliness at the same time. It can't be ugly if someone can see beauty in it, and conversely that beauty may be over-enhanced (I can't think of a better term at the minute) by the mind of the person seeing the beauty, such that they are seeing aspects about the thing that are not really there but are created within their own mind. The True beauty (beauty without judgement, but we are just giving it a label for sake of identification) is the aspects of the thing itself... which does not create beauty or ugliness itself... it simply Is.... just as we can choose to simple Be.

All Love and Reiki Hugs

So, we can agree that 'what is' is the truth, but I'm not sure we could say that "most people" understand that.

I meant that most people would translate ‘what is’ as ‘truth’, not that most people understand (at any deep level) either.

if one person can see beauty in something, but another sees ugliness, then that thing cannot be both beauty and ugliness at the same time. It can't be ugly if someone can see beauty in it, and conversely that beauty may be over-enhanced (I can't think of a better term at the minute) by the mind of the person seeing the beauty, such that they are seeing aspects about the thing that are not really there but are created within their own mind. The True beauty (beauty without judgement, but we are just giving it a label for sake of identification) is the aspects of the thing itself... which does not create beauty or ugliness itself... it simply Is

Something can easily be considered beautiful and ugly at the same time, since both are perception and neither are ‘what is. Considering something ‘beautiful’ or ‘ugly’ is just like considering oneself ‘worthless’ (to paraphrase Paul). They are all constructs of the mind. They are, in fact, all self-limiting.

Hi Crowan

'What is' is how most people understand 'true'. And there are quite clearly opinions that you think are 'what is' and others that you don't.

One of the concepts that we teach in our personal development, which a lot of people find hard to embrace, is that what we label and define self as does not actually represent self.

When we remove all of the labels and beliefs which we use to define self, as in masculine, feminine, spiritual, teacher, parent, healer, plumber, good bad or indifferent, then we are left with the person, the roles that a person performs does not actually define the person.

When we strip away all of the judgemental beliefs that we have built within self over the years, then we are left with "what is", that is neither true or false, good or bad, right or wrong, it just is what it is.

Hi Daz

If we were to accept that we are judgemental, then we have gained an understanding of being judgemental and our realisation is of the judgements that are being applied to self.

This is different to applying unconditional self acceptance, where no self judgement is being applied, so there is nothing to realise only accept.

Ah . O.k. I getcha your on about realization that way _ I was speaking in terms of self realization in that one accepts self as they are and in that acceptance that leads one eventually to self realization . In self realization you don't get the realization that one has to accept anything because the acceptance has been part of the process that has allowed the realization to be . In self realization there is no one present to accept anything .

Knowing that doing certain things will make us bad in our own and other people's opinions or believing that we are not good enough, will restrict our freedom; that self restriction will set up a core way of being that is in direct conflict to self, that will hinder us from being true to self and stop us from embracing self in an open and non-judgemental way.

Putting it like that Paul knowing that doing certain things will make us bad in our own opinion (in your words) will be equal to knowing certain things that will make us good in our own opinion . Coming from the angle that you have chosen both good and bad opinions therefore are restrictions upon the self .

Knowing self without judgement is completely different to knowing self through a self restricting judgement.

The self that knows self without judgement is the self that knows that self doesn't exist, for to know self there is no-one to judge .

x daz x

Something can easily be considered beautiful and ugly at the same time, since both are perception and neither are ‘what is. Considering something ‘beautiful’ or ‘ugly’ is just like considering oneself ‘worthless’ (to paraphrase Paul). They are all constructs of the mind. They are, in fact, all self-limiting.

Exactly.

All Love and Reiki Hugs

When we remove all of the labels and beliefs which we use to define self, as in masculine, feminine, spiritual, teacher, parent, healer, plumber, good bad or indifferent, then we are left with the person, the roles that a person performs does not actually define the person.
When we strip away all of the judgemental beliefs that we have built within self over the years, then we are left with "what is", that is neither true or false, good or bad, right or wrong, it just is what it is.

While I don’t disagree with what you say and I have come to the same understandings through shamanism, the above is, nevertheless, something that you consider to be ‘what is’. This is something that most people would translate as ‘truth’.
When you say,

there is no true or false, only what is.

, how would you define ‘true’?

Hi Daz

Ah . O.k. I getcha your on about realization that way _ I was speaking in terms of self realization in that one accepts self as they are and in that acceptance that leads one eventually to self realization . In self realization you don't get the realization that one has to accept anything because the acceptance has been part of the process that has allowed the realization to be . In self realization there is no one present to accept anything .

In the absence of judgemental labels to define self, there is nothing to realise, we are free to adapt self to suit whatever is unfolding around us in the now.

Putting it like that Paul knowing that doing certain things will make us bad in our own opinion (in your words) will be equal to knowing certain things that will make us good in our own opinion . Coming from the angle that you have chosen both good and bad opinions therefore are restrictions upon the self .

That is what I have been saying, we restrict self through our attachments to judgements, if we let go of the judgements and allow ourselves to be, then we are free to choose any path in any situation, we have set ourselves free.

The self that knows self without judgement is the self that knows that self doesn't exist, for to know self there is no-one to judge .

To label self as non existent, is to judge the validity of our own existence, I fully embrace self within this reality, I also fully embrace self as an integral aspect of the oneness of consciousness, therefor I am in expression of self right now.

As I said at the beginning of this post, in the absence of judgemental labels to define self, there is nothing to realise, but everything to embrace and accept.

Hi Crowan

how would you define ‘true’?

I not define true and false because that requires a judgement.

In place of true and false, I work with 'what is' and because I do not have any set judgemental beliefs to restrict my choices in the present moment, I am therefore free to be whatever I need to be to suit the requirements of the present moment.

Hi Crowan

I not define true and false because that requires a judgement.

In place of true and false, I work with 'what is' and because I do not have any set judgemental beliefs to restrict my choices in the present moment, I am therefore free to be whatever I need to be to suit the requirements of the present moment.

And that is a judgement made tee hee

A judgement made that entails no judgement .

Or do you see it differently paul .

x dazzle x

I not define true and false because that requires a judgement.

Okay then, what do you understand when someone else says, "truth"? Because I'm not convinced that this isn't simply playing with words. I know that it is nothing to you whether I understand what you mean or not, but I would still like to do so.

Hi Daz

And that is a judgement made tee hee

A judgement made that entails no judgement .

Or do you see it differently paul .

No, that is a personal choice.

As you seem to be having difficulty with this, perhaps it would be helpful for you to define the difference, between:
[INDENT]A: Evaluating and judging 'what is' so that you can form a choice based around that judgemental evaluation?

and

B: Choosing to accept 'what is' non-judgmentally?
[/INDENT]Hi Crowan

Okay then, what do you understand when someone else says, "truth"? Because I'm not convinced that this isn't simply playing with words. I know that it is nothing to you whether I understand what you mean or not, but I would still like to do so.

I understand that they are conveying whatever suits the requirements of the present moment, but I also understand that in the next present moment, what was perceived as truth might be reversed to meet the current needs of the new present moment, so that would invalidate the last truth and verify the new truth, that is until a new present moment demands something completely different, etc, etc, etc.

Hi Daz
No, that is a personal choice.

Hi Paul .

And your choice made derives from ascertaining what?

As you seem to be having difficulty with this, perhaps it would be helpful for you to define the difference, between:
[INDENT]A: Evaluating and judging 'what is' so that you can form a choice based around that judgemental evaluation?

and

B: Choosing to accept 'what is' non-judgmentally?
[/INDENT]

I don't seem to be having difficulty with this paul that is a judgement you have made through evaluation and contemplation in regards to what I have said .

3 individuals are speaking about God .

One say's God is a man, One say's God is love, the other say's God just is ...

Which one is anyless in judgement?

If an individual has been on the moon for example one can ascertain what is contained within their direct experience had . The minute they start to compare the rocks of the moon to the rocks of the earth and to what of the temperature thats on each of the surfaces and such likes then an element of judgement creeps in within their evaluations made to that which was realized .

Like the woman saving the child from the bonfire . The woman ascertained the situation through direct experience . Anything other than the direct experiential evaluation made could perhaps lead into thoughts that might contain a judgement of ‘oh If I had left my daring rescue for just a minute longer then the child would have died for sure’ One is making a judgement by such means of evaluating .

So having direct experience and evaluating that experience without judgement is very difficult to pull off when contemplating with self or conversing with another when trying to make sense of it or in trying to define, explain, describe what was of the realization be it what is love or what self is etc . . As many know certain realizations had are very difficult to put into words and the moment one does something is lost or missing from what was realized .

What is missing from such an attempt to describe such things are then substituted by using a variety of ways to recapture that moment, such ways include comparing the realizations had with this or with that and dismissing what the realizations were not like . When this happens judgement arises . It can’t be helped lol .

x daz x

Hi Daz

3 individuals are speaking about God .

One say's God is a man, One say's God is love, the other say's God just is ...

Which one is anyless in judgement?

As I said, you appear to be having difficulty with this one, although you have applied this question as an observation to something external to self, if you make the same statements about self:

One individual describes self as a man, anther describes self as love and the other describes self as I am.

If you still come up with the same answer, then my giving you my non-judgemental perspective will not change your perspective until you are ready to change your underlying belief that everything within self is judgemental.

Hi Daz
As I said, you appear to be having difficulty with this one, although you have applied this question as an observation to something external to self, if you make the same statements about self:

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I don't have any difficulty with this paul . You appear to think that I do which is a judgement you have made via ascertaining what I have said in my responses made .

I don't seem to be having difficulty with this paul that is a judgement you have made through evaluation and contemplation in regards to what I have said ...

Hi Paul .

And your choice made derives from ascertaining what?.

Do you have any thoughts on this paul?

I don't define true and false because that requires a judgement..

And yet you can make a judgement in what it is or is not what I find difficult in understanding what is non judgmental .

See how difficult it is not to be in judgement .

I have made a judgement in you by ascertaining that you have made a judgement in me .

x dazzle x

Hi Daz

Yes I have to assess the words that you use to express your understanding, I read you opening gambit of

One is free I would say when one is pure . Pure of intent, thought and pure in action .

and I see a self limiting thought pattern and belief which will stop anyone who believes it from attaining freedom until they perceive that they have attained continuous purity of thought and the resulting actions which come from the thoughts, I also see that that belief will give anyone who believes it a problem every time they think anything that they perceive to be an impure thought.

This is an observation formed from my understanding of being non-judgemental within self.

In order to become non-judgemental I did not sit down and spend years evaluating the difference between being judgemental and being non-judgemental in order to make a judgement upon the merits of both, for if I was to do that intellectually, then I would always be judging if I was being judgemental or not, much like am I being pure or not.

What happened was when I chose to connect with the fullness of self and through that I discovered the oneness of consciousness, I found unconditional acceptance in an open and non judgemental way, as this is my authentic self, I was happy to simply accept it without any reservations or judgements.

I do not have to evaluate what I am unless I wish to define or pass judgement upon self, there is a different way to being judgemental with self and that is to simply accept self in an open and non-judgemental way, that way we are always free to simply be.

In order to become non-judgemental I did not sit down and spend years evaluating the difference between being judgemental and being non-judgemental in order to make a judgement upon the merits of both, for if I was to do that intellectually, then I would always be judging if I was being judgemental or not, much like am I being pure or not.

What happened was when I chose to connect with the fullness of self and through that I discovered the oneness of consciousness, I found unconditional acceptance in an open and non judgemental way, as this is my authentic self, I was happy to simply accept it without any reservations or judgements.

Hi Paul,

Just a few casual questions from the sidelines:

- If you didn't take the philosophical/intellectualizing/contemplative route - what preceding steps lead you to the point of choosing to connect to the fullness of self ?

- What aspect of you chose to connect to the fullness of self?

- Did you know the fullness of self was there before connecting to it?

- Following this event, how was your daily life affected?