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I think we'll have to agree to disagree...
I am not trying to rationalise anything, all I am trying to do is explain how Reiki works to those that have asked me to on this forum. Actually Dawn I and are seeing the 'bigger picture'.

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Hi Andy and Dawn: do you have any references to these studies you mentioned?
Sharonx

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Well, another day and time to catch up.... so what have I missed....

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Japanese Reiki documents have explained that CKR is earth energy and SHK is heaven energy and physical healing should be complete before emotional healing takes place. They explain to use the symbols separately.

But as others have said, this is Holistic healing, and while you can treat one thing before the other, sometimes these things are so closely linked that they both need to be treated together. Example... It's possible that removing the physical pain before the emotional can suddenly bring up more emotional feelings that weren't apparent. Treat somebody for a pain in their shoulder that they've had for years and suddenly lots of emotions about childhood abuse can suddenly appear apparently from nowhere. Treating both together can heal both together.

Energy healing, whether it is called Reiki or by any other name uses electro-magnetic energy. Research has been carried out to demonstrate this. It has been shown that an energy healer channels electro-magnetic energy into their crown chakra and out of their hands. This energy has been measured and quantified whilst the healer was treating a client. This energy comes from all around us, from the Earth, from space, basically this is the Universal energy that we refer to in a spirtual sense.

Energy is energy in it's many forms and guises. Yes, experiments have shown the detection of electro-magnetic energy flowing in through the crown and out of the hands, but that doesn't mean that that is the only way it can flow. Did the experiments also include other types of detectors to see if heat, ultra-violet light or other forms of energy were apparent at the time as well? When I use "Usui" reiki I feel the energy come through my crown and out of my hands, fair enough, but when I use Gaia Now I feel the energy entering from all around me and coming out of my hands. Other reiki forms such as Kundalini, Imara etc. appear to draw the energy differently too according to accounts from others. If Reiki only entered through the crown and came out from the hands, we wouldn't be able to "beam" energy with out sight or send distant healing. Mostly it comes from our hands because it is our intention that is should. Our hands are what connect us most closely when giving a hands-on treatment.

As each symbol has a specific frequency, when used together the combined frequencies may clash and be less effective. It is the energetic equivalent of listening to 2 different songs at once - all you hear is noise even though you like both songs.

But even the physical brain is able to differentiate between the two songs and focus on the one you choose to hear. Assuming a physical injury, the tissue that requires a certain frequency will differentiate between the differing frequencies available and use the one energy on the frequency it requires to assist with its healing. Frequencies can be narrowed if that's what you intend. You can turn off one of the songs to just have the one playing.

What do you mean by "energy beings"? The energy used in Reiki comes from The Universe or God which is highest creative energy, not from any higher being. It has been proven that the universe is held together by an unexplained intelligent energy as the measured forces are not sufficient to hold the universe together. This intelligent energy we choose to call God. Higher beings can help us in the healing but they do not provide energy, their energy would not be pure enough and would not be infinite.

proof that the Universe is held together by an unexplained intelligent energy. How can you prove what is still unexplained? This makes no sense. The Universal energy is all energy around us and within us. Higher being both provide and channel the energy and that energy is just as pure and infinite as it IS part of the Universal.

quote: Paul Crick
It is all down to choices and it appears to

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ORIGINAL: spinal music

Hi Andy and Dawn: do you have any references to these studies you mentioned?
Sharonx

Hi Spinal music
Here are someof the references for the research into energy healing. The research is based on different forms of energy healing, but the outcomes are the same regardless of what the energy is called or how it is accessed by the healer.
Sisken, B F and Walker J 1995 Therapeutic aspects of electromagnetic fields for soft-tissue healing (American Chemical Society)
Seto A, Kusaka C, Nakazato S et al 1992 Detection of extraordinary large biomagnetic field strength from human hand. (Accupuncture and electro-therapeutics Research International Journal 17:75-94)
Zimmerman J 1990 Laying-on of hands healing and therapeutic touch-a testable theory. BEMI Currents. Journal of the Bio-Electro-Magnetic Institute 24:8-17
Rattemeyer M, Popp F A, Nagl W 1981 Evidence of photon emission from DNA in living systems. Naturwissenschaften 68:572-573
Bassett C A L 1995 Bioelectromagnetics in the service of medicine. In: Blank M (ed) Electromagnetic fields: biological interactions and mechanisms. (American Chemical Society)
Popp F A, Li K H, Gu Q 1992 Recent advances in biophoton research and its applications. (World Scientific, Singapore)
Presman A 1970 Electromagnetic fields and life (Plenum Press)

There are more, but hopefully these are enough to get you started.
Also, Dawn and I are trying to set up a scientific study in to the clinical effects of Reiki. We heve approached Imperial College London and Professor Kennard (Head of Neurosciences) has put us in touch with John Gruzelier, who has already done a scientific study into energy healing. The study is published in Brain Research Bulletin 62 (2003)

Hope this helps
andy

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Hi Dreamspirit

I am glad to hear it, I can send you two energy connection for you to play with if you like:

The first one is to the Kundalini Reiki energies, with this one you will experience the energy travelling up your legs since Kundalini energy is drown through the base chakra and travels up the energy pathways to work, this does not use any symbols as the connection is direct.

The second one is to Usui's original energy system where you do not have any symbols to play with as they are not needed in a direct connection to the energies.

pm me with your full name and address if you are interested

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I agree that if you are healing a specific condition with the whole spectrum of energy it will take the energy at the frequency it needs but the rest of the energy outside of that frequency is wasted on that condition. If you channel all the energy at that frequency, then all the energy is used to treat that condition. This makes it more effective and gives a much faster healing rate. This is what we are trying to say. We are not saying that this is the only way to heal but it is the most effective because we are channeling all the energy at the frequency needed for the specific condition.

Some scientists have suggested and are trying to prove that there is an unknown energy in the universe that holds the universe together because all the known forces combined cannot hold the universe together. The research has been carried out in deep underground caverns to eliminate any of the known forces and they have placed sensitive equipment to detect any energy. This unknown energy has been described as an 'intelligent energy'. The scientists who proposed this has suggested that this energy is what spiritual people call 'God' or 'The Universe'.

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Thanks for your offer but we have all the energy and connections we need. We do appreciate your kindness but as we have said earlier we can access the complete frequency spectrum of energy so we don't need any other connections. Thanks anyway.

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Go on.... *nudge* *nudge*, it doesn't hurt to try...
And if you don't get anything from it then no harm done eh!

Love and Reiki Hugs

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Energy can equally well be used for harm as it can for good. It is not something to be played with. It is a myth that Reiki or any other form of energy healing can do no harm.

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But Paul would not be giving the attunements with the intent to harm, and I'm sure you would not choose to use it with the intent to harm. I know when Paul said "to be played with" he did not mean this in a derogatory fashion, just as in something for you to experiment with and see if you can feel anything different about them.

I never said that energy could not be used in a harmful manner.

Love and Reiki Hugs

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We already have a strong connection to The Universe. You only need one connection. Enlightenment is about the way you live you life and taking your journey along your higher path. Once you have got your connection and have access to the energy you have all the potential The Universe can offer you. It is up to you whether you use it or not. No other connection is necessary. Perhaps people prefer to keep searching once they already have the answer, rather than take responsibility and work with what they have.

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No problem dreamspirit it all down to choices as I said earlier

I have personally tried lots of different energy modalities or energy modulations as I prefer to call them and have not come across any connection which can connect you to the full range of energies available, but I am working on it

The last time I conversed with the energies about this they said we are not ready for that type of connection yet.

Each of the modalities connects us to a small part of the whole and though we receive a full connection to that part it is not the whole.

To connect to the whole spectrum as you like to call it, we would be working with incalculable amounts of energies and energies beings, a bit like trying to have a conversation with everyone on this planet times by infinity at the same time.

The reason I call it incalculable goes something like this, if one connection gives us one percent of a circle of energies we have 1/360 of the connections available in a two dimensional energy plane or something like that, not brilliant at this sort of thing but I think you will get my drift, unfortunately we are not sure how many dimensions are involved but if we say there are at lease twelve then that is some amount of energy connections to go for.

I don't know about you but I think that I will have to grow a bit more for that amount of connections to work for me no matter how much I desire it

There are some inert forms of energy about and some of them do surround this planet but I would not personally like to try using them for healing, maybe running my car but not healing

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we can access the complete frequency spectrum of energy so we don't need any other connections. Thanks anyway.

Perhaps people prefer to keep searching once they already have the answer, rather than take responsibility and work with what they have.

have to say, these worried me slightly, once we think we have everything we need we stop growing and learning and thereby personally developing...it is great that you think you have reached the pinnacle but in all honesty I dont think any of us ever could and once we think we have well that is when we stop growing and close our minds.

Tigs
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Hi Tigs
I think you are missing the point we are making slightly. We are not saying we are no longer learning. We, as everyone else does, continue to learn from every experience and every encounter we have. We learn from every person we come into contact with as they learn from us. All we are saying is that everyone that uses energy to heal can use energy at specific frequencies to treat specific conditions rather than using a mixture of frequencies at the same time. This is more effective as:
1 The energy works at the frequency the condition needs to optimise the healing response
2 The healer can use the power of their mind to heal with intention and visualisation
3 The healer can be totally focused on the condition they are treating
4 All the energy channeled by the healer is used by the condition being treated as it is all at the frequency it needs

For Paul, I think you are underestimating your potential. Once you are attuned to the 'Great Reiki of The Universe' you have access to all the frequencies of energy that you need to treat any condition, whether it is physical, mental/emotional or spiritual. No other energy is needed.

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Hi

Seems we are both missing the point then!!:D I was not referring to learning from our healing experiences with people but merely that it comes accross that you appear to think your knowledge re reiki and energy healing is complete as from the quotes above..... I dont think any of us will ever be able to understand and completely know our energy modalities....maybe i am reading you wrongly but it feels as if you have decided and certainly from the website that your reiki is superior to most others and the BEST way.hmmm.....when one takes on that belief or validity of cognition then they will automatically not be receptive to trying or even possibly accepting there can be another way which is just as good or even better.... sorry client here. be back later.

Tigs
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There is no 'my Reiki' - We do not own or posess Reiki, or energy or healing.
What we are trying to do is share our knowledge with other Reiki practitioners so that more people can benefit from effective Reiki treatments. We are more than happy to answer questions about the way we work with energy and hopefully some of our knowledge will be used and tested and accepted. What we want is to see Reiki respected and accepted as a valid and effective complementary therapy, not just by Reiki practitioners but by people in general and by health care professionals in particular.
We are not charging money for this, nor do we need or want peoples' gratitude or respect.

What we are saying is as before, the most effective way to treat any condition is with energy at the frequency needed for that particular condition. For example, it has been found through scientific study that ligament healing is stimulated when energy is applied at 10cps, it therefore makes sense when healing ligament damage to channel energy at that frequency. You can channel energy in a passive way and a small fraction of the energy will be at that frequency, but the rest will not be, and will therefore not work on healing the ligament damage.

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My thoughts on all this dreamspirit is…

If you have to be as precise as you say we should be in channelling this energy to heal specific areas and ailments, then I would expect that you should not only have A&P qualifications, but also at least be a qualified Medical Doctor… And it sounds like one will have to have some qualifications as a physicist too…

Just my opinion…

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I suppose it all depends on what you are trying to achieve with your healing work. The more precise you are with the frequency, the more effective the treatment is. The more you know about the condition you are treating and the affected part of the body, the more effective you can make your intention and visualisation. It all depends on how effective you want to make your treatments. It is up to you what level of service you give your clients.

We give our clients the best possible treatments we can. It is important to us as healers that we help all our clients to the best if our ability. To us this means we take our work seriously and research the conditions we are treating, any medication the clients are taking and try to match the frequency of the energy to the frequency of the condition. The more information you have about the condition the better you are able to treat it, hence we fill in comprehensive interview forms with the clients to make sure we understand all their presenting symptoms and the underlying causes whether physical, emotional or spiritual. For Reiki to be taken seriously we need to work in a professional and clinical way without losing the spirituality of Reiki.

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hence we fill in comprehensive interview forms with the clients to make sure we understand all their presenting symptoms and the underlying causes whether physical, emotional or spiritual.

That is exactly my point... To really understand all their 'symptoms and underlying causes' you will have to at least be a qualified Medical Doctor and Psychologist and the rest...

How are you otherwise going to be able to achieve or reach the precise healing energy frequency for a specific condition if you don’t understand the exact cause of the condition?

I don't see how all this relate to Reiki at all?

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What we want is to see Reiki respected and accepted

as do we all which is why I do not completely understand why you appear to put down passive reiki on your website...

If you would just like some relaxation then it is fine

but it is not using Reiki in the most effective way.

We are not charging money for this, nor do we need or want peoples' gratitude or respect

welcome to the club, we all do this here on hp, it is why it is such a great place but you get respect thrown in as well....:)

when energy is applied at 10cps,

how can you accurately measure that you are reaching this frequency in a healing session....

It is up to you what level of service you give your clients.

I think we can take it as read that people involved in this thread all care highly about their clients and giving them best service

the clients are taking and try to match the frequency of the energy to the frequency of the condition

how can you decide the frequency of the disease, condition or ailment?

I may have this wrong but unless you are using scientific equipment during your sessions to accurately know when the frequencies are the same and to keep them there then you are using intuition and intention just like the rest of us...

Tigs
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I may be naive here - but from what I understand, the dreamspirit team are saying that they have found a way of measuring the frequency of Reiki energy, and of controlling the frequency that they use in regards to different patients different symptoms. Is that too simple a summary? If this is what they are saying I can't see how this isn't helpful to the wider community and of interest to all Reiki practitioners. Earlier on they said they were going to work with ICL on some scientific studies on Reiki. They talk about this in post 27.(Actually post 64 - see below) Hence the measurements.

I don't think you have to be that medically qualified to understand the human body. We've all got one for a start. I trust myself more than I trust my GP with my and my families illnesses - in the main. I've made a study of anatomy through different courses, and I am constantly reading and learning more. I'm sure most of the contributors to this thread have done the same. I have a couple of clients on whom the medics have given up on and whom I've helped.

Sharon

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Hiya Sharon

I think you mean post 26? 27 is from holisitic...I agree it is interesting hence the questions that have arisen, how, and how to qualify and measure, I think a few of us are asking that in our own way and indeed floffle did immediately prior to that post...

Tigs
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I think a few of us are asking that in our own way

Yes... I am with you there Tigs...

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No, I'm so sorry - it was post 64. On which they had made 27 posts. I was looking at the wrong thing.
S x

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I don't think you have to be that medically qualified to understand the human body.

I agree and that is not what I was saying... You do need to be medically qualified though to understand the exact dynamics of specific illnesses or certain injuries. If you are going to be scientifically precise in healing frequencies for specific injuries or illnesses/conditions then you need to understand exactly how it effects that part of the body and the rest…

edited to add: - This is only my opinion of course...

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If you are going to be scientifically precise in healing frequencies for specific injuries or illnesses/conditions then you need to understand exactly how it effects that part of the body and the rest…

You would think that would be the case. But it's not always so.

Take therapeutic ultrasound machines - deliverers of energy quite analogous to Reiki practitioners. My husband researches into ultra-sound , and as part of a project testing the callibration of these machines he took a fair number into the lab. None of them were sending out the correct energy levels out. Some too much, some too little and a few of them defunct. They were all in use by physios and hospitals. One of the physios knew her machine wasn't working and used it anyway. The placebo effect is a very strong therapeutic tool.

There's usually a margin for error with many of these tools- it's not as precise a science as we might think at first.

Sharon

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Well, like us psychology students do, Iv been busy reading up on some of the research and the stuff out there is great.....

I’ve found more and more studies about frequencies and the body having different sets of frequencies, something which backs Dreamspirit’s view, but the more I read the more I found that each and every molecule has its own fingerprint pattern of frequency and therefore a tumour or broken bone will still contain many thousand frequencies. I found a tool which used light to help pain and tissue repair and yet although it states that the light was a focused frequency it still used over a 1000 different ones (and it got good results).

While out and about today I remembered back to my GCSE science lessons which showed how light is broken down into its different colours using a prism. It made me think, we can only intensify a frequency of energy that has been filtered out by intensifying the original whole set. That is if we use a dim white light we can filter out all the colours so that all we see is the red and all we have is a dim red light, to make the red much brighter we have to make the original white light brighter which in turn means all the colours not been seen are also still as bright (I hope I’m making sense here). Therefore its not the filtering that makes the big difference it’s the development of the channeler to vary the level of energy flowing through them which is why reiki can be taught in stages with each stage been a finer alignment to channel more freely............. But on the other hand I remember that energy can not be created nor destroyed only transformed from one form to another, so perhaps the symbols act more as a converter, converting an overall all-rounder energy into more focused set frequency energy? (What do people think?)

The paper by Gruselier that Dreamspirit referenced to as the guy who will be helping in some research is here => Naito A, Laidlaw TM, Henderson DC, Farahani L, Dwivedi P, Gruzelier JH: The impact of self-hypnosis and Johrei on lymphocyte subpopulations at exam time: a controlled study. Brain Res Bull 2003, 62(3):241-253.

Its an interesting paper....... which has given hope to further research but then at the beginning of this year another paper reported that no significant results could be found in cell changes due to the treatment => Taft R, Moore D, and Yount G: Time-lapse analysis of potential cellular responsiveness to Johrei, a Japanese healing technique. BMC Complementary and Alternative Medicine 2005, 5:2.

But I’m sure the research will push on but it does leave me with a sense that sometimes things don't always need to be understood to work. At the weekend I bought the Matrix box set and whilst watching heard a phrase which I quite liked...... "My belief does not require for you to believe" and it’s a conclusion I seem to be coming to after three pages of writing. We all believe that Reiki works and I’m sure we have all seen the effects and yet we have different ideas of how it works but it still never changes the fact that it does work! from traditional styles through to modifications......it works.

Love, Light and Reiki

Nick

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a focused frequency it still used over a 1000 different ones (and it got good results).

thats what i would have thought, thanks for taking the time to explain things so easily...

Tigs
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Hi Nick

Unfortunately the symbols do not work that way, they work as a go between the practitioner and the energies, so instead of us calling in the energies from the source we are activating the symbols and they are pre programmed to trigger a request for the energy to be sent to them.

The energy that flows through the symbols is unfortunately not broadband it is working on a small number of connections but they are of a healing nature so can be used without modulating them, this system was made idiot proof so people did not have to understand energy work to use it.

Spiritual energy does appear to have something akin to a frequency range but it is not quite the same as when we start channelling say the elements of light and metallic elements etc.

If you wish to start modulating the energy as it passes through you then you really need direct connection or preferably connections to call in a greater range of energies to start working with, but then you would not be practicing Reiki as it was designed to be practiced and it should not be taught as Reiki which is a simple form of self development and healing.

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Hello all
We're really pleased you have understood what we are saying to such an extent. But if we can clarify and hopefully simplify it a little.

You do not need to know the frequency of the energy or the condition as Reiki healers. What you need to do is simply adjust the frequency of the energy to match that of the condition. You do this by using only the SHK for mental/emotional conditions and only the CKR for physical conditions. You then adjust the frequency further by applying colour to the symbol. As you make adjustments to the frequency you will feel or sense or simply know you have the right frequency (the energy becomes stronger and more active) - remember Reiki is a simple, guided and intuitive form of healing.

The extent of adjustment you make needs to be pratical, you can't try to adjust the frequency to each molecule, but you can adjust it to the condition as a whole.
The symbols do seem to work as filters, allowing a narrower frequency range to be channeled. By changing the symbol's colour and shade you can make the frequency as narrow as you wish. This is worth trying and playing with. See how different the energies feel and see how different the healing effects are. Think of it simply as the more dense and solid the part of the body you are healing, the lower the frequency needs to be. Emotional traumas are much higher frequency.

As for medical knowledge, its simply a case of having some understanding of the conditions you are treating - to help you as a healer and to give your clients more confidence in you as a knowledgable and professional healer. We tend to research conditions as we encounter them. Mostly we use - this has information on illnesses and medications and is written by doctors.
Please note that we are talking about treating clients with medical conditions, some of which are quite serious and even terminal. For general relaxation treatments we would simply use the relevant symbol for either physical or mental/emotional healing.

Hope this all makes sense. Please let us know if you would like more information.

We'll keep you updated on the research study as we develop it. We are hoping to use the results to help get Reiki accepted by the medical profession and eventually have Reiki freely available on the NHS.