Templar Reiki has anyone tried this or ones similar?

RE: Templar Reiki has anyone tried this or ones similar?

It always gets personal, huh, and I only unblocked you tonight, as someone whose posts I don't read, since I could see you were going to answer my specific question about the history of Reiki with add-ons - which, again, you did well.

But before I put the block on again, just to save me time (!), I've been into ley lines a lot longer than you, I'd guess. What I mean is what they are specifically. The main association studying them still does not know. Somesupposed ley lines turn out statistically to be unreal and chance alignments which are far from exact, and mainly, the precise energy involved is not defined in any way at all. Most are apparently even latent and inactive. That's what I meant on them. That they are still a mystery - those that are real. Many probably are not as I've seen the stats and the alignments aren't really there.

"they wil continue to love you unconditonally" - yes, thanks for the usual condescending remark, which people on HP are used to by now. You know it all, right?

We are all entitled to our opinions, and in mine the Masters have nothing whatsoever to do with Reiki. Their names are just used to attract punters.

The Templars were fighting men with a political agenda and hidden rites. I'm not in any way opposed to some things they stood for. But the concept they were into ley lines and New Age concepts ... hey, read up on them. They were rough fighting men and not into fairies and goblins, OK?

I can't really put it more clearly than that, can I? ;)So to save my time, back to blocking the posts as we've been around this route for two years now and it serves no purpose, but thanks for the Reiki name-add-on history.

Venetian

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re. karuna......actually i thought it was a hawain name.....their shamans are called karunas i think...

re. sai baba......not the action i would have expected from a supposed spiritual avatar.....but then i had his number years ago;)

re. dalia lama/quan yin supposed link.......so what made the penny drop fpr the buddists then ??.....the fact that hes a bloke:D.....nah too easy:D

soooooo......kim/venetian when you two tying the knot then ??:D:D.....stoppit plz guys iam laughing so much iam gonna have to adjust my medication:D

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ORIGINAL: venetian

I further wonder what the conscious or unconscious motive is behind not being just Reiki as I strongly suspect it is just to make money by standing out from the (by now) very large crowd.

V

well i gotta admit for the most part iam with venetian on this one......and as ive taken reiki to masters some years past it makes my comment harder to throw out of court dont it ?;).....cries of 'disrespectful' i hear......well if thats true i was'nt the one to start it.....like attuning students in usui's name without his consent or blessing etc. [hope your looking in takata hunny ?;)]
furthermore.....in most respectful cultures in the event of a founder being deseased one would approach the existing kin for their blessing to use their family name.....and as far as iam aware this has not been given.....quite the opposite i understand......i wonder how many usui reiki people have bothered ask.....or even thought about it.....not many i'll wager...

so who are the disrespectful ones ?.....maybe thats why he looks so moody in all the photos ive seen of usui,

so why did i do it??.....i was weak and she[master] was/is a witch[&:]......long story....shar'nt bore you with it.....co-ercian for the sake of anothers spiritual ego and dare i say it bit of mine as well......thats the honest long and the short of it.

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ORIGINAL: venetian

They were rough fighting men and not into fairies and goblins, OK?

Venetian 

i hear rumours of what goes on in them all male sects......but i wont go there:D

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We are all entitled to our opinions, and in mine the Masters have nothing whatsoever to do with Reiki. Their names are just used to attract punters.

Well brother until you try it, you won't know!:DWhat resists persists! Templars yes have watched a film about them they were very spiritual too eventhough a bit on the zealous side......However, we can all be zealous at times we just do it in different ways. In actual fact the AM names do not attract students as you say because most now come to Reiki because they think it is a CM therapy, in fact it can work against one. However, I don't have an issue with that because I prefer to work with people who are seriously interested, prepared to be disciplined and integrate the dharma. So I am afraid your theory is not reality.

Wolfen I am already betrothed ;):D and very happy thank you!

Divine Love

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ORIGINAL: Divine Love

We are all entitled to our opinions, and in mine the Masters have nothing whatsoever to do with Reiki. Their names are just used to attract punters.

Well brother until you try it, you won't know!:DWhat resists persists! Templars yes have watched a film about them they were very spiritual too eventhough a bit on the zealous side......However, we can all be zealous at times we just do it in different ways. In actual fact the AM names do not attract students as you say because most now come to Reiki because they think it is a CM therapy, in fact it can work against one. However, I don't have an issue with that because I prefer to work with people who are seriously interested, prepared to be disciplined and integrate the dharma. So I am afraid your theory is not reality.

Wolfen I am already betrothed ;):D and very happy thank you!

Divine Love

well ive been their got the t-shirt but you can bet your **** she dont do refunds:D......nevermind its one ive put down to experience..

betrothed ?...news to me......has he any idea what hes letting himself in for?:D:D LOL......or is that your way of sayin your hitched to spirit.

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Dear Divine Love

This is getting muddly!

The automated thingy says you've replied to Wolfen yet you have I think (having scrolled back to check - grrrr!) quoted Venetian, who is presumably talking about Ascended Masters not Reiki Masters.

Perhaps you would also like to clarify AM and CM - I believe I know what you mean, but many readers might not. Big smacks LOL

Holistic

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So I am afraid your theory is not reality.

Divine Love

well i'll take you up on this,
it might be your reality but its not been mine, as ive known students to seek out the biggest bestist highest profile RM they can find......and then get it done somewhere 'special' like macha pichu or whatever cos its gotta be so much better ain it ??.....nope , prob not, ....and then not satisfied with that move on to the next 'new' reiki varient clone in search of more ego massage....depending on how deep their wallet is...and then proceed to brag to their spiritual friends like its earning them some sort of kudos or wotnot...

i remember my master asking if i wanted it somewhere special and i said 'why the hell would i want to do that ??.....its all great spirits realm here'...she was a bit phazed by that as she kinda fell into the ego trip camp with hers...

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Hi Venetian

ORIGINAL: venetian

Hi Laura,

OK, no shooting of the messenger!

I can only be honest and say that IMHO this is still New Age codswallop:

ORIGINAL: Holistic

"The first programme on offer is [link= http://www.templartrails.co.uk/tours/rosslyn.htm ]Templar Mysteries in Rosslyn[/link] that will focus on learning and applying one of the (until now) secret spiritual sciences / light work that the Templars used. There is now as there was then a fundamentally sacred aspect to the geometry which the Templars had access to. This geometry was known as the [link= http://www.templartrails.co.uk/tours/reshel.htm ]Reshel[/link]. Based on this knowledge of the ley lines of the earth and wider cosmic energies, the Templars were the last group in the western world to incorporate this esoteric knowledge into their lives as a creative force, and hence the name of these tours: Templar Trails."

There's not a scrap of evidence that the Templars were involved, way back then, in ley lines (and what are they precisely anyway?), "light work" ( a give-away New Age buzz-term), cosmic energies and so on and on.

They were a military order who slew by the sword, blood all over the place,and did have some form of rite,yes. They were not New Agers!

Venetian

I read your post last night and my reply now relates to that (and the one about Reiki history which I'll address in a minute), and is not made in the light of any subsequent exchanges.

My question was, and is …. Is there any actual evidence of the Templars' involvement one way or the other?My guess would be there is not, but it is only a guess.

I rather liked this dry but probably relevant comment on [link= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar_in_England ]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar_in_England[/link]
"Even though records suggest that most Templars escaped, along with virtually all of their treasure, ships and other mobile assets, some historians claim that the Knights Templar somehow suddenly ceased to exist, simply because after that point they created no more records. But even before their persecution the Templars were experienced in keeping their secrets, and a total secrecy - derived from the threat of horrible torture and shame - was not likely to give rise to convenient records or evidence for historians to refer to. So it is not surprising that so many stories persist about a Templar continuation."

I'm referring to the penultimate sentence about "convenient records" etc.

You may be right about New Age codswallop. I'll just say that if I have a strong resonance with something, then that holds some truth for me, but NOT "this is THE TRUTH and so others had better believe it as well!" LOL

I believe I did understand what you meant by the question re leylines "(and what are they precisely anyway?)" and I don't believe I can give you a precise answer. It's probably similar to "precisely how does Reiki work?"

Paul Devereux gives info on leylines here:

[link= http://www.pauldevereux.co.uk/new/html/body_leylines.html ]http://www.pauldevereux.co.uk/new/html/body_leylines.html[/link]

including some pithy comments about New Agers which you might enjoy! Though I have mainly posted that link for others who may be following the thread and want to find out more about leylines. I'm sure

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Dear wolfen

You referred earlier to it being about making money, as did Venetian. Now you say:

i remember my master asking if i wanted it somewhere special and i said 'why the hell would i want to do that ??.....its all great spirits realm here'...she was a bit phazed by that as she kinda fell into the ego trip camp with hers...

INHO, you're right on both counts. Sometimes it's about money, other times it's about ego, or maybe it's both.

I've heard them, I've met them ...the Reiki Masters on self-made pedestals. Some topple off ... eventually ...or get toppled. Or maybe have the experience they need to have, which is to be terribly, terribly famous AND make a loada dosh

Holistic

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PS

The reality is Venetian that there very few people on this planet interested in the Ascended Masters in the way that you may perceive. Just because it is your passion does not make it others passion even when they are involved in spirituality. Yet, from experience it is wonderful indeed, when a traditional Buddhist enjoys an experience that catapults him into a different state of being. A state that he said was never possible within his existing doctrines.

Love is infinate all the rest is the illusion of duality.

I can assure you that the Ascended Masters are over the moon at the how the majority of the Reiki family have integrated unconditional love, compassion and zero judgement. They cannot say the same for other movements that proceeded Reiki. Hence why, they have supported its growth and allowed others to decline.

The size of the Reiki movement is now 1 million plus worldwide and the fastest growing community in the history of spirituality. It has exceeded all of their hopes and they are very pleased with its progress. Yes, they admit some that are not disciplined or coming from pure intent will fall by the wayside and those that are committed will venture forth with a love that can and does create miracles.

I am guided to say that this message is not really for Venetian but everyone one of you that listens to the heart. It is a hug to say thank you.

And by the fruit of their good works they shall be known.

Divine Love

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ORIGINAL: Holistic

I can only be honest and say that IMHO this is still New Age codswallop:

ORIGINAL: Holistic

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missed that bit.....CLASSIC:D........am also waiting for the 'well we found these old manuscrpts relating to this new reiki system whatever in a chest that we picked up at a car boot'.......like that one has'nt been done before..........another long story.....and completly bogus one too.....they got soooooo busted !!:)

ooopps ive boxed myself...:D

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another long story.....and completly bogus one too.....they got soooooo busted !!

Yes Wolfen, and Jesus said all will come into the light of day during the end times.

Those that are not coming from pure intent will and are being constantly brought into the light of day in and outside of Reiki.....and there is a lot more still to be revealed.

Purification is the intent of Reiki and purify it does whether people like it or not.

Divine Love

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ORIGINAL: venetian

Hi Laura,

OK, no shooting of the messenger!

I can only be honest and say that IMHO this is still New Age codswallop:

ORIGINAL: Holistic

"The first programme on offer is [link= http://www.templartrails.co.uk/tours/rosslyn.htm ]Templar Mysteries in Rosslyn[/link] that will focus on learning and applying one of the (until now) secret spiritual sciences / light work that the Templars used. There is now as there was then a fundamentally sacred aspect to the geometry which the Templars had access to. This geometry was known as the [link= http://www.templartrails.co.uk/tours/reshel.htm ]Reshel[/link]. Based on this knowledge of the ley lines of the earth and wider cosmic energies, the Templars were the last group in the western world to incorporate this esoteric knowledge into their lives as a creative force, and hence the name of these tours: Templar Trails."

There's not a scrap of evidence that the Templars were involved, way back then, in ley lines (and what are they precisely anyway?), "light work" ( a give-away New Age buzz-term), cosmic energies and so on and on.

They were a military order who slew by the sword, blood all over the place,and did have some form of rite,yes. They were not New Agers!

Venetian

Wolfen, I think you made a mess of that, and since I can't allow a post to remain that implies Holistic is codswallop, plus the fact that we're now on page 2 and clearly people don't read threads thoroughly (hint!), I quoted it again for you.;) There's a useful button called Quote that does it for you.LOL

Holistic

(who's actually a fluffy New Age bunny but doesn't want to get found out! :))

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Holistic I was surprised to even see you use this term 'codswallop'. ;)Not like you at all through my eyes.

As a general statement there are some that do and some that don't and some get lost and can't find the middle.

Divine Love

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Dear Divine Love

Please point me to where I used the codswallop word other than when quoting others? I think you'll find, on re-reading, that that has not actually occurred, though I thank you for your kind perception of me.

Holistic

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Well Wolfen she even gives training in exchange where no money changes hands. Well refunds I don't think I have ever been asked for one. As far as special places are concerned, I think that was very considerate of your Reiki Master to ask where you would like to have your Reiki master experience. Some of our students chose to do it in Assisi a couple of years ago and it was truly a wonderful experience. So there are many ways of looking at things, negatively or positively. I choose the positive and hope that you do too!

Holistic as asked for the meanings of abbreviations in this context AM Ascended Masters and CM Complementary Medicine.

Codswallop will have to look back over posts.

All is perfect when you see things through the eyes of God.

Divine Love

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in most respectful cultures in the event of a founder being deseased one would approach the existing kin for their blessing to use their family name..

Well that would be a bit difficult wouldn't it when the family fell out with Dr Usui long before his passing due to his beliefs and change in religious allegience.

Cor I can remember the impact on my trade union family when I got the vote and voted Tory, my mother called me a traitor to the family and I think it was a similar situ for Dr Usui, it seems the family did not even get involved in his grave. They did not approve of his work with Reiki either....so don't think that is really relevant in this context. His family owned business and he did not go into the family business.....he chose his own path and followed his own heart.

Those on these forums have proven that many of Dr Usui's followers have experienced something similar.

Divine Love

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Hi Laura,

First of all, hand on heart, I'm not an expert on the Templars and don't claim to be. I just try to keep informed on all kinds of subjects. There certainly is information that they survived but in changed form, as I posted, such as the Hospitallers. But once an original Order is broken up, I'm very sceptical about people who claim they still exist. For example, people still talk about the Illuminati existing today! What I think they really mean is "bad guys, well-connected" as the Illuminati per se did not survive the 1700s and there's no evidence that they did, per se. By point is, same with the Templars. IMHO, they're long, long gone.

Thanks for the link on Paul Devereux. I'll look it up since IMO he's been at the forefront of ley line research since I was a kid.

Venetian

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ORIGINAL: Divine Love

Holistic as asked for the meanings of abbreviations in this context AM Ascended Masters and CM Complementary Medicine.

Codswallop will have to look back over posts.

Divine Love

Well, thank you for clarifying what you meant by AM and CM! AM can of course also mean Alternative Medicine.

As for looking back over posts for "codswallop" may I say that sometimes it's not a bad idea to do that before posting I do understand that it's easy to get carried away if one is on a roll, and I find that sometimes it's a good idea to just slow down a little.

BTW, I am reminded that I made a definitive statement elsewhere recently about smileys always "transplanting" in quotes. I have since realised from a post of yours in another thread thatthis is not so. They do for me, but clearly not for all. I guess it's down to the relationship between one's own PC and the HP software.

and I'm still trying to complete a post to Venetian about his request for some "history".

Holistic

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In reply to Venetian:

(Everyone seems to be posting at once! :D)

I know you're also sceptical about the Knights Templars possible connection to leylines, but my reply to Divine Love on that will have to wait until tomorrow.

I'm just back peddling a bit now to your question:

ORIGINAL: venetian

Does anybody know where it first began, and who first called it anything but - well - Reiki? Who first began sticking words in front, or calling it "Reiki with Master X"?

It would be interesting to trace the history, really.

V

I'm not sure about when it FIRST began, but Barbara Ray seems to precede Kathleen Milner by a few years.

OK, short history lesson coming up! Most Reiki Masters in the West will have a lineage that begins with these three:

Dr Mikao Usui
Dr Chujiro Hayashi
Mrs Hawayo Takata

Mrs Takata then attuned 22 Reiki Masters. There's a list of them here:

[link= http://www.robertfueston.com/articles/reikipeople.html ]http://www.robertfueston.com/articles/reikipeople.html[/link]

Each of these original 22 RMs then attuned others, in varying numbers, and from then on it all branched out … very widely.

One of those 22 was Phyllis Lei Furumoto who was Mrs Takata's granddaughter. (My lineage goes back to her, if it's of any interestLOL)

Divine Love asked if there was an earlier case of the introduction of extra symbols and systems. Prior to Kathleen (not Katherine BTW) Milner's Tera Mai Reiki, was Barbara Ray – sometimes referred to as Barbara Weber – and the Radiance Technique. Her account is here:

[link= http://www.trtia.org/histpers.html ]http://www.trtia.org/histpers.html[/link]

From 1978 - 1980, I had the honor of studying Reiki extensively with Hawayo Takata in her private home in Iowa. …..During these extended times with Takata, she instructed me in the entire, intact Seven Degrees of the Usui System of Natural Healing, Reiki, and passed the complete Keys to me.

So that's a change ... seven degrees.Most work with three. William Rand (whom Divine Love wrote about) introduced 3a and 3b (which separated the Master Attunement and Teaching into two separate classes or courses, and many consider to be a way for RM's to make more money out of students. Plus what he called ART - Advanced Reiki Training - with a number of add-ons like the Antakharana and psychic surgery.

From my own notes on file ... Kathleen Milner's lineage goes back through Arthur Robertson and via others to Iris Ishikuri (one of the 22). Kathleen's website is here, and gives information on the other "elements" - Reiki alone being earth energy:

[link= http://www.kathleenmilner.com/index.html ]http://www.kathleenmilner.com/index.html[/link]

and there's an independent account of her Tera Mai system here:

[link= http://www.xs4all.nl/~remy/teramai.html ]http://www.xs4all.nl/~remy/teramai.html[/link]

also, from the same site, is this link, which explodes someReiki myths:&nbs

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Dear Holistic

Yes I don't use a PC either but a mac so not sure whether that has anything to do with it.

Oh yes, forgot about

Barbara Ray – sometimes referred to as Barbara Weber – and the Radiance Technique. 

At least she did change the name and so did Rand and Milner so in effect they are different tracks to Reiki.

Seven Degrees not surprised at all as my source told me back in 1997 that there are another 20 symbols in addition to the ones that are published so extra degrees would fit into that. We don't hear much about Radiance though do we?

Just for the record my own RM's research brought to light that Arthur Robertson introduced the chakra system, into Reiki.

Of course there was another strand introduced, Tibetan Reiki and this was very early on in the 80's pre Karuna I think, from memory I think my RM said Arthur Robertson introduced that with two extra symbols, the violet breath, psychic surgery, Antakharana etc.

So out of all the above it looks like Arthur Robertson was the first one to introduce adding something to the Reiki name.

Lineage yes I agree very important that students receive this I feel, and a good question for prospective RM's. If they don't know what their lineage is then how much do they know about Reiki? A good test! I have met people who don't know who their lineage is because their RM did not tell them and now the RM has gone missing.....maybe their RM did not pass on the information either. I give it on level one and again on level 3.

Divine Love

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Hi Laura,

Wow. At times you certainly do get information quickly from HP. The one post I read from 'DL' was very informative, but you must be a real researcher at heart! It's almost more than I can take in, but thanks.

V xxx

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Hi Holistic

I presumethe rest of the Western Reiki mastersmust be usingUsui's first system then which does not have a linage, as it is not deemed necessary with that system so non is used:-)

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Hi Paul

My understanding of Venetian's question is that he was askingforsome history of when Reiki got changed and by whom, when extra bits were first added and so on ... not the entire history of Reiki which one can easilyfind by googling (at great length and in many versions!).

As I recall, I used the word "brief" in my reply to him.

Holistic

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ORIGINAL: venetian

Hi Laura,

Wow. At times you certainly do get information quickly from HP. The one post I read from 'DL' was very informative, but you must be a real researcher at heart! It's almost more than I can take in, but thanks.

V xxx

Hi V,

Well,that has to be a first, surely?! You don't have to try and take it all in at once though.

A real researcher? Perhaps another past life, a quieter one than when I was charging into battle brandishing a mighty sword

I certainly gain much from strolling through places like old priories, with a strong sense of déjà vue

Laura.

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Reply to Divine Love

Briefly, in reply to your earlier comment:

ORIGINAL: Divine Love
As I understand it pagan sites were built on the ley lines and churches were built on top of the pagan sacred sites. I only have a smattering of info of this because it is not something that I have really got involved with. The Wiccans and the Shamans are sure to know a great deal more so might be worth you starting a different thread on it. However, I feel sure the Templars would have known about the ley lines, they were monks after all <snip>

That is my understanding also ... that the early Christians built churches on old pagan sites, the idea being they hoped for a higher conversion rate this way It is also thoughtthat the old pagan peoples probably had a more highly developed sixth sense thanpeople donowadays ... though many are now rediscovering, and developing a higher degree of sensitivity to energies ... and the pagans therefore built their places of worship where they felt strong energy.

Without going into lengthy personal anecdote, I will say that there are places to which I feel instinctively drawn, and am aware if I'm on a leyline or convergence. Melton Mowbray church used to be a great place to go and get an energy boost! There are nine there.

I therefore keep an open mind about the possibility that the Knights Templars might have been intuitively guided to the places now known as "Templar sites". I wonder if there is any information anywhere that mightsuggest reasons for them choosing these sites. Probably not. Pity!

I don't however imagine them reining in their steeds to do a bit of quick dowsing for a good place to settle

Holistic

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Dear Holistic agreed.........;)I also feel that in modern day people are innocent to think that these spirtual warriors were not sensitive to planetary energy.

Ganesh

Divine Love

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codswallop bit of a delicacy along the east coast i understand.....so not just prevalent within nu age circles...LOL

yup. did make a mess of that post and managed to box meself.....bit of a laugh as usually think and work outside of them...:D

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ORIGINAL: Divine Love

Well Wolfen she even gives training in exchange where no money changes hands.

Divine Love

providing she can then go on to flog said exchanged....usually at a much higher price than it was originally offered in exchange..[&:]......yes very pure that one.....gets others to pay in her stead and guilty of fraud on at least one occasion i know of...that and a string of bad dehts around the globe.....and the last i heard has nothing to do with reiki any more.....so not all bad:D
we even talking bout the same person ??:D....which dos'nt really matter as this sort of thing is rife in reiki circles IME...

purity within reiki....???...id agree with that as thats where its most needed from what ive seen !