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Being a Master, have you ever attuned yourself? It might be partly a distant or contact attunement...

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Hi,
I teach a lot and as we are re-attuned each time we teach I don't really see the point in re-attuning myself.
My guides give me a Reiju whenever I want and that combined is more than enough re-attunements for me!

Kind regards,
Christina

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Being a Master, have you ever attuned yourself? It might be partly a distant or contact attunement...

Attunement or Denju is an initiation into Reiki that gives the student the connection to the source of the energy. There are other aspects to the attunement process also. The question I have is why would you want to be re-attuned? If the attunement process was carried out correctly and effectively why the need for re-attunement? The important thing in my experience is continued regular self-healing and 'right thinking and right living' (as Usui-sensei used to say).

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Being a Master, have you ever attuned yourself? It might be partly a distant or contact attunement...

Are you asking if we can attune ourselves to other forms of reiki I wonder? In which case I feel we can if we tune into the object as all reiki is from the same source. But otherwise I agree why would we want to when every time we attune another we re-define our own attunement 🙂

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Are you asking if we can attune ourselves to other forms of reiki I wonder? In which case I feel we can if we tune into the object as all reiki is from the same source. But otherwise I agree why would we want to when every time we attune another we re-define our own attunement 🙂

My question is "Did you ever attune yourself?

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We never attune anyone, Armion...

the attunement is given by the Powers that Be!

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We never attune anyone, Armion...

the attunement is given by the Powers that Be!

I do, I attune students on every course I teach. I carry out the Denju process as accurately and with as much focus as I can to ensure every student has the best possible start to their Reiki journey. The energy I use is from the source, but the actual Denju process, the attunement - I carry out - so therefore I am giving the attunement. I see it like an artist that buys paints and creates a painting - the artist creates the painting, not the paint manufacturer.

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I still maintain that the actual attunement is given by the Powers that Be. I'm reminded of the old hymn "God has no hands but your hands", and it is true that the master needs to be there and to carry out the procedure, but the connection to Reiki is done, not by me and not by the student, but by Reiki - however you want to call the higher power.

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So Chris

What exactly do you do during your attunements if you don't do it?? and if Reiki teachers do not pass on the attunement then why all the debates over the linage going back to Usui??

Just curious!

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Chris, kind of understand what you mean in that you're just the vessel, but without the vessel, there would be no attunement? I guess you're not comfortable with the semantics, but I'm happy to say that my Reiki Master attuned me 🙂

Armion, really don't understand the question... if you're a Master, you've already been attuned, so there's no need to attune yourself again - as Omega says. Can you explain further what you mean? 🙂

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To answer Paul, I do the breath holding, the arm movements and the intention. The energetic stuff is done by my guides. I've been observed while attuning by people who see, and they have told me they have seen these guides actually removing something from the aura of the attunee and putting something else in its place. There are Reiki authors who write about this: Diane Stein is one. I presume all the stuff about the lineage is because lineage is important in other Japanese energy systems and martial arts systems.

To answer Mike, I do believe that attunements need the master to do what I said above. I too will say that I was attuned by my Reiki Master (note the difference in language) because that's what people who don't believe in the other side will accept, and I will tell my students that that's what I do. I will tell students who do believe in the other side of the part played by my guides and the Powers that Be. Students who don't believe that stuff don't get told it. Reiki works without any belief in spiritual stuff. My Master doesn't believe in that stuff: he's a devout Roman Catholic. Reiki finds you with your belief system and works within it. If you are open to changing what you believe, then what you believe will change.

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Hi Chris

To my understanding intention is the key to any form of energy work and intention is a thought process, when our physical and energy consciousness are in agreement, things happen.

There can be no energy work without there being a thought, if we think energetically (I want to attune or heal someone) then we are actually working energetically, whatever ritual is employed is immaterial, energy work in its basic format is thought into action.

Irrespective of the energy beings who assist us in our endeavours, you can just as easily attune someone to Reiki by thinking 'I attune you to whatever level of Reiki' you want to give them, and it is done.

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...you can just as easily attune someone to Reiki by thinking 'I attune you to whatever level of Reiki' you want to give them, and it is done.

Do you really believe that anyone can attune someone by thinking 'I attune you...'? I tend to feel that intention is only part of the process.

The use of intention is I feel different to a thought. For example, using intention for self-healing can be an effective method, but it requires focus, concentration and effort. Simply thinking about self-healing is not, I would suggest, enough.

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Well yes I agree omega1

I was addressing someone who should have learnt how to become centred and focused so the thoughts and the intentions can manifest into our reality.

Yes an intention needs acting upon for it to become reality, but if I state my intention to attune then that is exactly what is going to happen, unless the recipient chooses to rejects it 😉

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I was addressing someone who should have learnt how to become centred and focused so the thoughts and the intentions can manifest into our reality.

Yes an intention needs acting upon for it to become reality, but if I state my intention to attune then that is exactly what is going to happen, unless the recipient chooses to rejects i

You raise some really interesting points Paul. I still feel that not everyone is able to apply sufficient focus to their intentions to manifest into reality. The other thing that interests me is, do you feel that a recipient can reject the attunement? If the recipient attends for the attunement and the Reiki teacher carries out the attunement correctly, do you think the recipient can reject it? I think they can't, but then I have never had a student try to reject an attunement lol

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Yes, it is the same with healing, in my book anything is possible and anything can be cured but not all healees are prepared to take responsibility for their lives, so cannot make the necessary life changes required for a lasting cure to manifest.

We use the same thoughts to manifest healing as we do to attune or do anything else with our energy consciousness, the recipient always has a free will and can choose what they want to happen and are quite capable of changing their minds.

As the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

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We use the same thoughts to manifest healing as we do to attune or do anything else with our energy consciousness, the recipient always has a free will and can choose what they want to happen and are quite capable of changing their minds.

I agree in some circumstances, especially where lifestyle and/or emotional issues are involved. But with a purely physical injury, such as a broken bone, if the practitioner applies the right frequency energy, the bone will respond with a healing process, regardless of whether the recipient wants the bone to repair or not. The healing cascade initiated by the energy is independent of the recipient's conscious processes.

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Chris, kind of understand what you mean in that you're just the vessel, but without the vessel, there would be no attunement? I guess you're not comfortable with the semantics, but I'm happy to say that my Reiki Master attuned me 🙂

Armion, really don't understand the question... if you're a Master, you've already been attuned, so there's no need to attune yourself again - as Omega says. Can you explain further what you mean? 🙂

I am a Master.. But i decided to try to attune myself.. i did it just for pleasure and personal experience... 🙂

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Hi Omega1

You can't isolate a singular healing to prove a point, if what you say is true and I am not saying it is not as all things are possible, then it would work for everything, which would equate to a 100% healing success in everyone who came for healing.

Although this would be ideal, I don't know of any healers who enjoy that level of success, unfortunately lifestyles and inner conflicts will always get in the way, they can also effect broken bones to the point where they won't heal (personal experience with this one).

If there were no life issues and inner conflicts then we would all enjoy perfect health, peace, love, joy and happiness 😉

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Well yes I agree omega1

I was addressing someone who should have learnt how to become centred and focused so the thoughts and the intentions can manifest into our reality.

Yes an intention needs acting upon for it to become reality, but if I state my intention to attune then that is exactly what is going to happen, unless the recipient chooses to rejects it 😉

Thanks for the diagnosis Paul. I now know that the cause of all my problems is that I can't think properly.

Seriously, though - what gives you the right to make a snidey remark about what you consider to be my problem in a public forum like this?

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Hi Chris

I was not having a go at you, nor was I offering a diagnosis for you, I was actually responding to a comment made by Omega1 about people needing to be focused in order to work with the energy.

The inference from Omega1 was that I was omitting this from the topic.

As we do actually need to be centred and focused to do what we are discussing, I was quite correct to say "I was addressing someone who should have learnt how to become centred and focused so the thoughts and the intentions can manifest into our reality."

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I am a Master.. But i decided to try to attune myself.. i did it just for pleasure and personal experience... 🙂

Ah okay, I see. And what did you experience?

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