RE: Is one day enough

Hi Hawkwind

I would have said so...but then I like to keep things simple...very simple[&:]

peace
stormdeva x

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yes it is
the real learnings come through practice
slab
dez

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Dear Hawkwind,

My impression is that the majority of Reiki Second Degree courses in this country are carried out over a single day and in my opinion this is more than enough time to cover what is necessary. Reiki isn't a complicated academic subject, as you will have discovered for yourself. Most things with Reiki are simple to learn, they will work for you to an extent the first time you try them, and you get better with repetition and practice.

So for example self-treatments are easy to pick up, will work for you the first time you do them, but you become more comfortable with them with practice once you go home and make Reiki a regular part of your life.

Hatsurei is fairly easy to learn, feels a bit awkward maybe the first few times you do it, but after a while it becomes second nature, and you don't need to practice it 50 times on the day of the course because it is easy (like most things in Reiki)... what is important, as Dez says, is the practice that you do once you have completed the course.

On my Second Degree courses the stduents arrive on the day of the course already having learned the Second Degree symbols because it's a waste of everybody's time to sit there practising on bits of paper on the day of the course. I go through three empowerments, students become familiar with the characteristic energies of CKR and SHK and we practice a distant healing session. We investigate the power of intent, learn to send Reiki in different ways, and learn to work intuitively (usuing Reiji ho). A lot of courses won't have all this content.

So a single day is fine, Hawkwind.

Best wishes,

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Thankyou all for your reasurance, i can't wait [sm=grouphug.gif]

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Dear Hawkwind,

I also join the chorus: one day is enough! Then you will a lifetime to practice, but this is another story...

Artemis

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1 day is more than enough to learn the tools you need at this level.

as with all learnings the real experience is in the doing not the learning
slabdez

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... just to add that it's not the amount of time that you spend in the presence of the teacher that is important (Reiki regulatory bodies please take note...), rather it's what you *do* with the time, what you learn, what practical work you carry out.

Best wishes,

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I still prefer to allow my students two days.

Just to make sure!

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Dear Paul,

Well I suppose my students get two day's training, actually, but they do the first day (6-8 hours) on their own by reading the manual, learning the symbols and listening to me talk to them on the audio CD)... then the second day is where they put it all into practice.

Best wishes,

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i know what you mean paul

i sometimes have students who i could easily spend 3 days with, however healing commitments do not allow for this presently.

slab
Dez

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I agree with Paul.:D

I think there is a lot to learn and a lot of students are sent away with the tools but not the knowledge. [&:]

Going away and practicing is fine, and I agree that whatever you do you need to practice to be any good at it, but I think there are areas that could be covered in more depth.

I know that regulation is a sticky subject with many, but some of the questions that come up on this forum from people who have received Reiki training just goes to show that standards are very different and regulation would hopefully address this.

I can only speak from personal experience and mean no offence, but I am quite shocked now that I am doing a spritual healing course at how little I actually knew and that I wasn't really sure of what I was doing at all.

I think the training should be longer and more in depth personally.

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... yet Reiki isn't a knowledge-based subject, now is it? It isn't acupuncture; it isn't homoeopathy. You don't have to have taken in a body of knowledge of knowledge in order to use Reiki effectively and safely: Reiki is safe and the practice of Reiki is far more about experience than it is book learning. Reiki is simple and foolproof and is as much about working on the self as it is about working on others.

One can practice Reiki safely and effectively while knowing nothing at all about the meridian system, for example. One can practice Reiki safely and effectively without knowing anything about the human aura. One can practice Reiki safely and effectively while knowing nothing about human anatomy, since this knowledg too irrelevant to Reiki practice.

Now some teachers may teach a lot of 'techniques', but IMO techniques are perhaps interesting but ultimately irrelevant add-ons to Reiki, where the power and effectiveness comes through a simple approach.

Maybe spiritual healing requires you to take in various chunks of knowledge in order to practice it effectively, but then spiritual healing and Reiki aren't the same thing and the 'rules' that apply to one do not apply to the other; you are not comparing like with like.

Beyond being taught a few basics, Reiki is something that you become comfortable with through doing, not through being fed largely irrelevant information, and what has been put forward so far in terms of regulation and approved training has been singularly inspiring, consisting of meaningless and unnecessary impositions.

Best wishes,

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Hi. I'm actually not talking about large chunks of irrelevant information. I am talking about basic stuff, which isn't always covered. I can only go on the experience that I have personally some of the people who are 'teaching' Reiki.

Also I do think that a knowledge of anatomy and physiology is useful, though I agree not for everybody. A lot of Reiki practitioners do work on the Chakras, that might not be in the core curriculum, but a lot set out to balance chakras etc and yet don't seem to know much about them or their connection to the endocrine system. As they are closely linked to such then I think it is important to have an understanding.

If we are dealing with 'wholeness' then we need to consider all aspects of the self, physical, mental and spiritual. To me it goes without saying that learning about all the different aspects is understandable. It is said that Reiki is gentle, but some people do have adverse reactions and understanding this is important.

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Hi candie

I do see where you are coming from but the basics of Reiki or should I say most of the Reiki systems if for the practitioner to open their energy channels and just let the energy flow and get out of the way.

If you are using a passive energy system then you do not need to understand what the energy is doing as you are not going to do anything to influence the outcome.

It is not my understanding that any energy system is in its nature gentle, it can be very painful and dramatic in its effects and yes you do sometimes need to smooth out the after effects but again that is not working the Reiki way, you are again moving into an active energy channelling mode and Reiki is passive.

Now if you are going to practice one of the more active energy healing systems and get in the driving seat and direct the energy flows then yes it is very helpful to understand the anatomy of the energy matrix and its energy centres the chakras as these do have a bearing on the physical/mental well-being.

You need to have a full system to understand it and in Reiki that is usually levels 1-2-3, with all of the information available you can then set out to master that system

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paul crick said
You need to have a full system to understand it and in Reiki that is usually levels 1-2-3, with all of the information available you can then set out to master that system

i agree paul
hope you are well
slab
dez

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Hi All,

Itis one of the features of the human brain to ask questions about the simplest of things.

Just teaching Reiki as Reiki, pure and simple, generates an enormous number of questions - as indicated by many postings in these Forums.

As I see it, if a teacher can provide comfort and knowledge to their students that lessens the number of questions, the students feel that they have a firmer basis upon which to commence their practice of Reiki.

I suppose it could be that some teachers want their students to return after training, with questions, thus maintaining contact and dependency. This would seem to create a lack of confidence in the students themselves, who then seek reassurance from their teacher.

It is inevitable that the energy flow through the body is 'discovered' by the Reiki healer and, when investigated, it's relationship with the glands and physical attributes of the body is also discovered. Even a brief teaching of these items helps to reduce the 'Why, Daddy?' type of questions and amplify the confidence of the Reiki healer.

As Reiki Teachers we do not teach healing, because everyone can do it. What we do is re-awaken our students to the awareness of their connection to the Universal Energy and give them the confidence to place their hands on themselves and others with intent and in the full awareness of that connection.

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Hi Dez

I am fine thanks, been having lots of computer problems over the last few weeks so not been around much but hopefully two mother boards and chips later I think its sorted

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Paul, I am not taking issue with you, simply 'batting' it about.

Am glad for the 'Reiki not being gentle quote' as I didn't believe it myself but it has been said so many times and I don't like to disagree with those who know about the subject than I do.

Now. Here is how I see it. When I have given Reiki in the past, on a few occassions the client has had an adverse reaction; ie. pains in the back (bad), pain in the head, etc....this worried me greatly as I had NO idea what was happening. I don't like this as I have trained in therapies and like to understand what is going on here. Hence my worries about Reiki, in my own hands.

I seriously felt that I was dealing with an energy that I didn't understand and I had not the faintest idea what I was doing to people with it. I didn't consider this gentle.

THIS is why I have these reservations about Reiki, this is my own personal experience.

Since I started my spiritual healing course I feel that I am in a much safer learning environment (and I am sorry if that upsets some) but that's how it is for me. I personally DO need to understand. I do need to learn about the Chakras, I do need to learn about the different brain states, the aura etc, etc....Basically I want to know ALL there is to know and MORE!:D

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It is not my understanding that any energy system is in its nature gentle, it can be very painful and dramatic in its effects and yes you do sometimes need to smooth out the after effects but again that is not working the Reiki way, you are again moving into an active energy channelling mode and Reiki is passive.

Paul, could you expand on this as I am a little confused.[&:] Thanks.

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I think that reiki is not an academic subject, you do not need to study to heal, many healers just began doing it without study of any kind. However I think some good basics and anatomical and physiological grounding is important.

Whwn one becomes a reiki practitioner one is in a position of health practitioner, many people will seek reiki from us for many reasons and I think it is crucial to know one's limits and when to refer on or ask a client to see a doctor.

Many reiki practitioners give out all sorts of medical advice and through experience of chakras may discover indications of problems in a client..this can be a tricky area as we are certainly not doctors, however, still have a duty to give the best possible care to those we treat.

When I did my beauty therapy we had to learn a great detail of anatomy etc..often on matters that wouldn't affect our work so much but so we would fully understand our limits and level of responsibility.

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Further to what you guys said about adverse affects, it is true that reiki is usually a gentle and pleasant treatment, however sometimes it can cause all sorts, physical pain, tummy upsets, detox symptoms which can be quick a shock to an unsuspecting client, it can also cause serious emotional upheaval.

I think that if a practitioner is able to give a treatment they should be as ready as possible to able to reassure a client and sensible advice if things seem odd, if I had a treatment which was new to me and I was unused to complementary medicine etc and I felt bad after a treatment, i might feel quite afraid. If I then couldn't get a sensible idea from the therapist I wouldn't be impressed.

I feel that client care is something that is left off a bit in some reiki courses, I feel the courses generally given are ample for therapists already in work and who have recieved other training. But for those who are totally new, other training would be helpful to them,

Hal

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Hi Candie

When you move beyond the basics into scanning and treating with the energies then IMO largely depending on how sensitive the healee is to the energies they can feel all sorts of things.

To expand on that a little when using original Usui techniques of scanning which is more of a guidance way of scanning, that is being open to be led to the areas that need treating.

You seem to flow from one area to the next so the concentration of the energies is to sort of jumping around the body and settling on the areas being treated, this does not seem to affect the healees as much as scanning the Chios EFH way.

With Chios EFH you consciously extend your awareness around the aura and then though the body and I have had comments that this feels like someone is rummaging around inside their bodies.

Again depending on the sensitivity of the healee the concentration of the energies into a small area to sort out something can be quite painful the same as using deep tissue massage feels uncomfortable or painful, if there is a large release of tension that can usually be felt.

There are all sorts of things that can happen during and after a healing session and each one is different so there is no set formula, you can only go with the flow and sort out what you are presented with during that treatment and then forget about it so it does not interfere with future treatment with that person.

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Hi Everyone,

Reiki IS easy and simple but, just like any other Therapy it might generate a healing crisisconra-actionaggravationWhatever-you-wish-to-call-an-after-healing-event.

If this and other matters are covered in the Reiki Training then the student is prepared, just in case, and has the knowledge either to seek help themselves from their Reiki Master or to recommend a possible course of action to their client.

As Hugo has said, some students receive their training and are never seen or heard from again, others seem always to be on the phone - but that is the way of things and the responsibility of the Master (if s/he has chosen to accept it - and a lot do not choose so!).

Again, as Hugo has said,

"In my opinion, and in my experience, once the path has been laid open, you're frequently on your own, since your own mind and soul is the Terra Incognita you are exploring. Others may point out a path that worked for them, but in the end, you blaze your own trail..."

which is very true but as you 'blaze your own trail' questions arise and, hopefully, there will be a Reiki or Other Master nearby who will be able to provide answers or point the way to further avenues of exploration because, as Candie has said, many students discover as they explore that "Basically I want to know ALL there is to know and MORE!"

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Hi Paul

There is always something more to learn as we move on from one experience to the next

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Hmmm....

Hi Hawkwind & please let us know how your day went in the end.

I think the training time depends on whether someone wants to go professional or not imho. The biggest problem is that even though the vast majority of people learning Reiki don't want to go professional, those coming to me still want to get a practitioner certificate in case they do one day. So, what to do when faced with this? I personally train my pupils in professional conduct and give them basic anatomy and information about chakras and auras, so that my students:
Will never touch a patient's genitals/breasts/sensitive areas (I saw it being done by a professional therapist in front of me once);
Will liase effectively with a doctor when necessary (eg if the patient is mentally ill and a potential danger to society if they come off the tablets on their own);
Will refer to a specialist if necessary (eg chiropractor/osteopath - most Reiki therapists cannot move bones back to where they belong effectively);
Will be able to conduct a professional consultation and keep the patient adequately informed.

If I see evidence that my student is unsuitable for professional practice (eg a leery bloke who wants to grab a woman's breasts at any opportunity), the student does not get the certificate, just the attunement and information.

Now that's me and the way I teach. No doubt some people are attracted to this and come to me, whilst others want a different way and go to others. I think there is a different Reiki Master to suit the needs of different pupils out there. And isn't variety the spice of life?

Back to the question of is one day enough? My answer for those hoping to go professional with it is that it should be, if the student numbers are small enough and there is adequate support afterwards, both in terms of reference material for the pupil and back-up support. As for people wishing to learn for friends and family, then one day is certainly enough.

One more thing... No matter how it is taught, Reiki is Reiki is Reiki and it is one thing that brings us all here together on this part of the forum. Warm blessings to you all [sm=grouphug.gif]

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Thankyou each and everyone of you for your replies, very interesting reading all your opinions, Hi Suzanne there are just two of us going for the second attunment and we both hope to do this together, my friend and i the second week in Sept, as for me i at the moment will only be doing healing, to myself and the universe & those members of my family who hopefully become interested in it at a later date, i am very interested in the distant healing symbol;)

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Well what a funny thing to happen, I dreamt last night that i was teaching (Attuning them i mean) Reiki to different people , so i guess i will have to go further than 2 to do that eh but i felt it was a few years yet,

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It may still be a few years, Hawkwind, - but you never know. :D:D:D