Healing? A false illusion?

where did you that ascertain that God is male? in the 2000 years old bible?

are Fathers not male?
therefore:- God the FATHER.....

Hello Maure

Hope you dont mind I have just started another post in "General faiths", I am sure This one will continue relating to Healing " Healing? A False Illusion".

But with quite a discussion moving into the area of God I felt might be best in "I think" the right place.and illusions I expect somewhere in there.

I have replied to you on the other post.and of course your reply has inspired me to move into another post.

I hope this one will continue. amazing discussion.:eek:

Blessings to you

Sacrel:nature-smiley-008:

Gotcha, see you there God willing.

Good idea to split the topic so we can focus on the healing aspect here Sacrel

For example: An illusion of illness for an illusion of health.
Maybe that would be some form of breakthrough in the way we look at the mind.

To heal the mind is then for the body to heal, is it not?

I can't explain this through Reiki as I did not find the solutions to this through Reiki, so I will explain it through how we address this using the Gaia-Now energy healing and personal development modality.

We work on the understanding that the energy we create in our energy generators (chakras) is directly effected by our consciousness (thoughts).

So when our thoughts are well balanced, positive and healthy, we generate balanced and vibrant energy, alternatively when we are full of doubts, fears and negativity, the energy we generate reflects this and becomes unbalanced.

The type of energy we generate is used by the body as it regenerates, so vibrant energy equates to vibrant health; unbalanced, negative energy equates to disease manifesting within the body.

As well as our consciousness effecting our energy matrix, it also has a direct influence on the external environment, that is, the way we perceive the world and our place within it will influence the type of reality we experience.

So, when someone is manifesting negative health and lifestyle, then it is our job to correct all the energy imbalances we can find and get the energy matrix set up to give positive, vibrant energy so the body can start to regenerate positively. We then need to establish the underlying problems, the inner conflicts etc. both on an energy and conscious level and reprogramme them so the circle is stopped. We then need to show them how it all happened so they are aware of what to look out for. Finally we show them how to manifest positivity and start to dip into the unlimited creative potentiality which has been made available to them.

That is where our responsibility ends and theirs begins. It is our responsibility to get them to the place where positive health is once more available and point them in the right direction. It is their responsibility to drive what we have given them forward so the healing and transformational changes can manifest within their reality.

Through our conceptual understanding we bring transformational changes to the Mind Body Spirit, if we miss out any part of the equation then the conflict will simply re-manifest, so yes, to heal the mind is then for the body to heal as well as the spirit.

Hi Principled

As Sacrel has moved the religious aspect of this topic over to the religious forum here: I have joined your post onto the end of that one

Now with my mods hat on, if anyone else wishes to post on the religious aspect of this discussion, can you do it on the religious part which is linked above as this is the Reiki/energy healing forum, thanks

(My original post here in reply to the topic was moved to a Bible thread, which it had no connection to, so as Paul obviously found the references to God etc offensive, I have removed them and re-posted.)

This is a fascinating thread Sacrel – thank you for starting it and to all the other posters!

Well, as anyone who has been around on HP knows, metaphysical healing is very close to my heart!

Hi All:)

If we believe that healing is simply exchanging one illusion for a more “nicer “one.
For example: An illusion of illness for an illusion of health.
Maybe that would be some form of breakthrough in the way we look at the mind.

To heal the mind is then for the body to heal, is it not?

Now, I think it’s really interesting Sacrel that you should be considering these ideas, as Mary Baker Eddy came to the same conclusions:

It is as necessary for a health-illusion, as for an illusion of sickness, to be instructed out of itself into the understanding of what constitutes health; for a change in either a health-belief or a belief in sickness affects the physical condition. (Science and Health 297)

There are 150+ references to illusion in the writings of Mary Baker Eddy but they all stem from the revelation she had on what was supposed to be her (but sorry, I have had to delete that as it’s “religious”.)

There is obviously a great deal more I could write, but basically, looking to matter and materiality for what is real and eternal will always be fruitless, we have to go higher. And the higher view shows us the perfection, purity and wholeness that already exists in Spirit! And that higher understanding of the harmony that is always present touches ever aspect of the human condition and brings healing.

Love and peace,

Judy

With mods hat on.

I am locking this thread until the mods have a chance to decide what to do with it, as it is once more going off topic and therefore needs to be sorted out.

With mods hat on.

OK people the mods feel that this is the right place for this thread to be, so it will not be moved, however due to the recent off topic comments on this thread, we would ask members to keep their post within the remit of Reiki and Energy Healing which is the forum you are posting in.

Hi All

Just adding to this post to open it again…….My opinion of course:o

In my opinion fear is the deep rooted hidden problem of all problems that we have, such as illnesses, sickness, and mental problems etc, the body’s suffering be it mental or physical comes from the illusion from fear maybe?
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Is it because we don’t really know who we are?, why we are here? Where have we come from? And where are we going?. Who made us? …and even if there is a father to hold us after our seeming death to say” everything is ok, I am here?”. Where a feeling of panic overcomes us, at a part in our lives through realization of being alone in a world that we were just becoming aware of.

If there are only two things that we may believe, that is love and fear.
Yet is one of them is false?.
Then love is the only truth that exists. Yet through our belief in fear do we find the situations, problems, illnesses etc manifest.

Healing from the illusion of fear is the answer is it not?, To see fear where it is not,is to see only love.
All healing is really a release from fear!, fear is in every form and in the forms that sometimes we can mistake for love.

Now, then, if one is fearful and their life is built on the hidden belief in fear, how can one heal? How can one understand healing because they are fearful themselves?

My point here is that fear is an illusion is it not?, If you become aware that fear is an illusion and see it as it is not, then the fear disappears because you have realized it was an illusion, therefore withdrawing your investment in its presence. Hence healing has success. I am not taking away the belief of “ I am the channel “,but maybe we don’t always believe what we think?. Because our mind questions what we say!..Dont know?. Yet belief in truth can no doubt affect the healing process.

Yet with all sickness, illness and problems the answer to its healing instantly comes with it, it is just our own fear that turns away from believing the answer and often fearful of doing what is answer is, therefore holding us in the years of suffering, until we return to the answer and realize someday we will have to face our problem, and to release it.

We create the illusion of illness, and believe it, yet the answer we do not believe, through fear.

The body can act wrongly through the mind having a mis thought, the belief that the body can itself create its own illness is a thought from fear is in not?
I suppose in a way the body is the minds learning tool, as the body becomes ill, the mind sees the illness, but not knowing it created the illness itself. So ask yourself, if you are ill, what is it that your mind is suffering with?, what thoughts is it afraid of?.

I think sometimes an illness or sickness etc can have such a hold over a person that it can render that person incapable of trying to find the answer to the healing required.
Therefore people who channel healing like ,Reiki etc are the second option for them, which is wonderful, for both teaching and learning is exchanged for the healer and person seeking healing.for they do not believe that they can heal themselves, through the belief of others healing ,people accept this in the mind, therefore healing begins.

Like a doctor telling you all is well, a person thinks, “well she is the doctor, I must be fine”, guess what!, that person feels better. It works.

By learning to realize the illusion is to find the answer, but if we are fearful, how can the answer come to you.

Whay do you think:032:

Blessing to you. all once again


Sacrel:nature-smiley-008:

Yes, the emotional response of fear is one of the causes of people burying things within them, then trying to ignore them by closing the lid on the box, this is obviously an illusion and the amount of effort that is required to ignore it, can in itself manifest disease not to mention it causing them not to exist within the now.

Unfortunately people are not taught how to think themselves through this sort of thing, which is why they end up coming for healing.

Saying that fear is only one way of this occurring, it is not only fear which will cause disease to manifest, the way we perceive ourselves also has a great impact on our health, I think it would be realistic to say that it is generally negative self limiting thought patterns and beliefs which are the major contributors to manifesting illness within our realties.

Hi Paul and Sacrel,

Nice to see this discussion developing again.

Unfortunately people are not taught how to think themselves through this sort of thing, which is why they end up coming for healing.

The main problem is that we hold onto fear after or before an event, it is not so much the reaction of fear itself that is the problem. It is quite normal and healthy to respond to the approach of a sabre tooth tiger with fear. Fear is just a response that tells our bodies to run as fast as we can. Language enables us to image the next sabre tooth attach and our bodies think it's an imminent threat that they need to respond to. Unfortunately this physiological state is not a state of rest which is the physiological state of good digestion, nervous relaxation, physiological growth and healing. The body suffers as a result from prolonged states of fear caused by our imagination. But unfortunately it seems that somehow human's neurophysiology is particularly susceptible to switching on a fearful state supported by a cycle of imagination of possible threats. This is a very clear case of an illusion of fear. In this case, some good can be done to correct the deluded thinking but it seems very difficult to switch the section of the brain largely responsible for the fear response [amygdala] back off. It usually take more than just "don't be silly there's no sabre toothed tiger going to get you." On this level function, social reinforcement of loving relationships is likely to be the most significant reassurance of safety. This is human love if you like.

I do believe that ultimate reality has a deep quality of benevolence but to understand this through thinking it through logically is really quite difficult. and even if you accept that ultimate reality has some kind of loving nature it is not always obvious how that may be part of a reality of pain, suffering, illness, abuse, violence etc. It can be see the deep reality in the face of experience of these things can be a challenge. When in the face of unsatisfactory conditions we can use an idea about how we think ultimate reality "is" to try to condition ourselves with it rather than the conditions we are experiencing. However the ideas have to resonate with the heart to have any effect at all. They have to be expressed by loving qualities in a human life. These ideas may be supportive when there is a threat like a sabre toothed tiger. One reason that is can help is that we have very good abilities to think ourselves out of problems when we are not in state of panic or fear.

However, there is another dimension to our existence and that is the dimension of what I call subtle energy and the subtle body. And anyone who has experienced them will have a good idea of what they are and what they can do. They can be remarkably powerful. They can effect people at distance. How many times have you looked at a person across a crowded room and they have looked straight into your eyes without scanning the room to notice you looking at them? Sometimes you can just feel someone is looking at you and you look up and they are.

Clearly this energy is something to do with the mind and something to do with the body. I suspect that it builds up in a body that has health and vitality. But perhaps a person with strong energy build a healthy body. Perhaps it's a person's thoughts that effect the body directly through the emotional state? Or perhaps it's the habits of our emotions that dictate our thoughts and the energy of our bodies? It seems that it's all very interconnected.

To sum up, there are two conditions where illusion might be applicable in the sense that it's delusion of thought. The first is fear that comes from the idea of a physical threat that could happen, like a sabre toothed tiger. The second is that there is a case that ultimate reality is not somehow anything other than benevolent even if a sabre toothed tiger's about to eat you. But in this second case are you not here perhaps replacing the reality with an illusion to try to change the way your body is working to not experience a natural response?

But is the sabre toothed tiger an illusion? And is the disease an illusion if it is caused by long term fear based stress?

Norbu

Hi Norbu

To my understanding what you are referring to as subtle energy is the universal consciousness or oneness, it is the consciousness which is producing the energy, which equates to thought is energy, which is what energy healing is all about, using our thoughts in a creative way to change our realities, if there is no change then there is no permanent healing.

What we create with our consciousness is real, if we manifest disease out of our imbalanced thoughts, then if it is not addressed on some level, then it will progress and shorten our existence here.

There are different levels of fear, some are healthy and will help us to maintain our physical existence, as in the case of fearing a sabre tooth tiger or a lion, but there is also illusionary fears, where we think ourselves into fearing things which should not be feared as in paranoia, so instead of being able to focus on something which is real, we fear what we imagine is fearful but can't substantiate it, so it gets blown out of proportion, this IMO becomes unhealthy fear.