Healing? A false illusion?

Hi Sacrel

If I have read your post correctly, are you suggesting that, anything that isn't aligned to god is an illusion? Have I read this right?

I look at life slightly differently. I don't belief in god. God is an illusion developed by people, for either as a divine expression or control and manipulation of the masses. In terms of divine expression, I keep a very open mind. For control & manipulation of the masses, it's is the biggest con ever.

Best Wishes

RP

Hi

I am not a religious person and dont believe in God as is percieved by many religions. I do believe in a higher consciousness and that we are all connected by energies. I dont call what i believe in a GOD.

Depends what religion you are I suppose ,but I just think it was something to control the masses with.

Isnt god an illusion himself - or herself 😉

Debs

Hi RP

I believe that we use the name God to attribute to something that we cannot find words for to describe divinity. I believe that we can not always be sure of what we label, but hey, we need to use something to use and identify with in this world.

Did (lets use the word God) create us?( The false self!, The ego etc) or did we create ourselves and our world we live in, while God tries to awaken us from our illusion?..

I suppose as humans we seem to find something that when we dont understand what it is we have to find a word to label it.

Yet once you label something other than what it truly is, then sadly it dies.

Religion is a form of control I agree and can mis direct others as most may have experienced. Until one day we break free of all attachments and then are free to experience as we wish ;-).

Blessings

Sacrel

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Isnt god an illusion himself - or herself 😉

Debs

Hi Debs

Do you think that we are so convinced from living in our own illusion that we are so blanked by our true nature, therefore asking" Is there nothing else?". The word God we use is an illusion, because we need to label things to try to identify somehow, yet without really knowing maybe?

Maybe this is why we need to awake to find out!

Blessings

Sacrel :nature-smiley-008:

God cannot and does not change. God has been and always will be. God is.!
It is we that have changed through our minds thoughts, god has not changed, god does not change, and some believe that this message has always been since time began.

My own belief is that what's in a name. Some say the creator some call on the great spirit some the supreme master, some even believe that Jesus was a manifestation of god himself (thats a bit silly of me who said that God was a man) Ah "in his own image", sorry girls you were added latter.:hidesbehindsofa:

Is there a need for healing then in an illusionary world? Could the answer be no!, but there is indeed a need for helpers.

But surely, if you believe that all healing is an illusion then it follows that everything listed/written on the website about Guides Healing and Miracles is also an illusion and all the healing methods in the world are but an illusion.:eek: The other side of the coin is that if Healing is an illusion a lot of people have made a lot of money out of that illusion.:mad: But that's another topic

"I am a Healer"

When some mention the words "I am a Healer" This in itself IMO is an illusion, as it is not the person who is healing, they are purely a channel for the energy:confused:

When healing is given is it not exchanging an illusion of sickness to an illusion of Health? Therefore does healing within the illusion help to remove pain and illness, but the true cause remains!

The problem is with illusions is who decides what is real or what is an illusion. E.G take a person with a terminal illness as verified by medical evidence, who visits a healing channel and the illness disappears (also verified by medical evidence) then if part of the evidence is an x-ray, are we then saying that the results are an illusion?

Healing in the belief of an illusionary world ?

Hello Healistic

Yes I agree. As a healing channel myself, I begin to wonder how we fit in this ...well seeming... illusion. or is it just down to belief!

I too am a healing channel and as many others there is a need for healing, and like many live in this world, are we not here to learn to become perfect?, or more so to remember that we are already perfect!.

But The point I am wishing to ask opinions on is that there are many beliefs that we all live in an illusion, and our bodys are manifestations of our thoughts,constantly changing by the choices we make, the thoughts and judgements we make upon each other?.

If we all have created and live in an illusion, then everything we do, work,play,healing,emotions etc an so on, is this an illusion also?.
We make money , we give and take, is this also all within the big illusion?

The fact that there are healers as myself are needed for we would not be called to taking this path. Healers do make a big change in the health and welfare of many that brings so much peace and happiness, to me its very blessed to see, therefore how does this place us in an illusion? can be confusing and conflicting!:confused:

I was wondering if everything we do, everythought we have changes something, then are we not one big ball of constantly changing energy created from our minds?.

Healing certainly works as I have witnessed on many occasion, but if we are all an illusion, are we not exchanging one illusion for another?? :032: maybe this is the way the world works!, thats if there is a belief in an illusionary world!

There are also religions where its believed the body is not real, that is hard to believe when an illness strikes and it can certainly feel painful( Dont I know it!!:002: ) So how can we not be a body when feeling these effects as we do?

What is true and what isnt? It would be interesting to see what beliefs people have and the shared discussions between everyones beliefs.

Blessings to you

Sacrel :nature-smiley-008:

Hi Sacrel

I think you are misinterpreting the word illusion within the context of our physical reality. In our natural form of pure consciousness we conceived that it would be good to experience different forms and realities.

This physical reality is real. If we build a house, or two of us get together and create an offspring, they don't disappear simply because we stop thinking about them, they will eventually return back to the elements which they were made of.

Our consciousness is a different matter. It is something which is constant. A part of our consciousness resides outside of time and the physical reality, it remains within the oneness. The levels of consciousness which becomes separate when we manifest here in this physical reality, is veiled from the oneness, if it were not then we would not be able to fully experience separateness, we would find it difficult to experience emotions as they are a physiological response to our thoughts, we would find it difficult to fully embrace our physicality.

To my understanding we are not placed here imperfect and have to attain perfection, we are already perfect within the oneness. We will again be perfect when we once more remove the veil and become one, we are here to simply explore and experience a physical reality, to enjoy the experience, to comprehend separateness and isolated togetherness, to experience imperfection, to see a wonderful sunrise or sunset with our physical senses, to feel the breeze upon our skin, to swim in water, to experience emotions, traumas, pain and everything else which a physical reality can give us.

Healing will not take that away from anyone, it will enhance it. It will help to draw people into the now, where we experience things in a more complete and meaningful way, it will help people to learn just to be, but more than that it will help them to be happy and healthy, and from the way we heal to help them to be able to manifest the things they choose to experience for themselves from within the fullness of themselves.

Hi Sacrel

you are asking amazing questions! I am delighted at your ability to reason and question everything.
However this is still fresh for me to provide any answer yet that would contribute to this fantastic debate.

I did however pick on one statement you made about how labelling things we dont quite know "make" them die because they werent labelled correctly.
It reminds me something I read years ago in a wonderful book by John Fawler "The Tree". He was saying how he came quite abruptly to the understanding that science needs to name everything but then as you name something from nature, you just create a distance between the natural thing (for want of a better word, sorry) and you.
Example. think visually of a birch. feel it. see it. recall the feel of the papery skin...now name it and write it in your head. B I R C H. It is something else. the real tree is hardly there anymore...

Healing the illusion

Hi Sacrel,

What excellent questions you are asking! These are questions I have also pondered over a great deal over many years. May I summarise:

If all is illusion then is healing merely changing the illusion from an unpleasant one to a more pleasant one?

This question is closely linked to an idea that the phenomenal world of relative existence is insubstantial and that there is an alternative realm of absolute reality that is perfect and spiritual. In this scenario, when the experience of material reality is full of pain, disease and suffering this is because it is out of alignment with ultimate reality. Realigning the relative reconnects it with ultimate reality and healing results.

There are two models of healing that fit this. The first is from the perspective of the relative and the second is from the perspective of the absolute reality. The first is one that is like a seed that needs the correct conditions to grow. This is a developmental model. If conditions are damaging the growth of the tree is stunted or becomes diseased. If the conditions are good the tree grows strong. The conditions for healthy growth are ethical behaviour, temperance, patience, kindness etc. This is the "path." The second model is seeing that all things are perfect but merely need to be recognised by realigning thought. This is like a jewel buried in the mud. All that needs to be done is to find the jewel and wash off the dirt. The jewel represents the ultimate goal of the path.

My view is that both of these models are true [in the sense that they both perform useful explanatory functions even if they are rationally inconsistent].

Buddhist thinking on this explains that there are only two rationally consistent statements of truth. The first is that all things have only a relative existence and the second is that all things do not have self existence. The first of these is the relative truth and the second is the absolute truth. (This absolute truth is not the same thing as ultimate reality it is just a universal truth in a conceptual format.)

So what exists? The answer to this is that both of these rationally consistent views are only what they are: rationally consistent explanations that can be put into language. Reality on the other hand can only be experienced directly through realising the limitations of the rational mind to understand reality and by developing compassionate motivation.

On the one hand the poor conditions for growth and on the other the dirt that obscures the perfect reality can be removed by realising the limits of language and conceptual thinking combined with developing a sense of great compassion. This is the path or the gradual approach.

In Tantra the goal is the path. Meditation is placed on a visualisation and imagination of the perfect mind and form of a Boddhisattva. This is a provisional idea of the ultimate reality [which is beyond concept because it can only directly realised] of the practitioner's being. This is then identified with the practitioner. This approach to practice is said to require empowerment from a lineage holder and a direct connection through the lineage to the state of realisation of ultimate reality.

To the rational mind there is no solution except the solution where the rational mind realises it cannot conceive of the solution. It cannot integrate the notion of ultimate reality with the notion of relative reality. Full realisation is said to be direct perception (where the duality of cognitive processing is just a mirage in the mind).

Norbu

Hi everyone again 🙂

All your replies and discussions are wonderful and explorative whatever view and opinion is taken, amazing when we open our minds to thoughts.;)

It may sound confusing but other thoughts have come that I wish to share, should I say food for thought maybe?.or just simply interesting reading………

(Let’s use the word God for identifying purposes) What If we are made in the likeness of God?, now I don’t refer to God as a he or she, for this would be using a reference from the illusion to label something.
Once you label something you then project your image and expectations on what now that thing you labeled should be!

But let’s say God is a “something”, that we once knew, and since the creation of ourselves we lost all knowledge of God, is then everything in life… absolutely everything we do…., say…, think,… feel…, seem to see and hear etc…is everything just an illusion from our own inner creation?..

I mean if we are made in the likeness of god, and we are made with one ability that was given us as god has, which was to create!.. We are creators so powerful that we created an ego to be the substitute for god, not realizing it.

Hence God becomes lost from our true vision because we made the ego and substituted it now for god. We now believe the ego is god and we do everything it tells us to be, even though the ego does not know what it is doing itself!..Therefore, confusion of the world.

The ego does not know if life or death is good for it or not!, for the ego very cleverly disguises the true home of Gods creations..us!, by keeping a veil across our true vision. If we discovered the ego for what it truly is, it would surely die, therefore the ego covers our vision to save itself!.

Unless gods creations (us) decide to awaken and to one day see the ego’s illusionary world for what it is…a manifestation, from thoughts. We as creators will continue to believe that the illusionary world is our true home.

( Yet gods creations cannot awake, for we have lost the knowledge how to!, this is where god now is slowly awakening us from the illusion,and giving us the key of true forgiveness of each other and the illusion before us)

It has been said that God calls to his creations, calling out only to find his creations don’t hear, this is the deep inner call maybe?. Because his creations have created their own world that they wish to live in and believe in.

We are perfect in everyway, unblemished, un touched by the world that we think we see, is it not that we as creators have created so much in the way of life’s experiences and changes that we no longer can see how perfect we all are?,

Therefore if we live within an illusionary world , that we as creators have made, is it then that everything we do is a process of exchanging illusions all the time for …….different illusions?.

Do you feel that the only true healing that was given to us is the most misunderstood gift of true forgiveness?,
Forgiveness itself is also an illusion, but forgiveness was created by god to his children=us.

For he wishes to teach us that to truly forgive is to forgive the illusion that which we have created, as we forgive truly, then the illusion begins to fade, returning gods creators back to him becoming one again from the egos game of keeping us all seperate ( Take a look around you, everything in life is aimed at keeping us seperate, this creates discord and changes not expected a disfunctional world seeking love and safety).

No longer does god’s children sleep within their own created reality, for they now begin to see the useless journey was all a dream, a dream of a world made from us.

Everything we do, we name ourselves ourselves, everything we take part in, is it all part of the illusion?
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It has been said that for God’s creators to realize that their world is an illusion would be too much for them to accept and would bring fear to them, therefore god, over the time that we made, decides to awaken his children “ Slowly”, by using our created illusionary world to help awaken us by using situations, life path changes, even spiritual growth, people etc ….is all a way needed to slowly awaken us without fear, through perfect love .:grouphug:
But the awakening is slow and can take what it seems as eon’s of years, this because of our desire to hold on to our illusions and attachments!. For we believe we own them yet the world seems to own us .

Finally, in the end, we as gods children, we return to our true reality and see the perfect love that we are. Returning to see that the veil was not really there is the first place… We as creators made in gods image-a creator,…………. made it ourselves..

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Like a loving mother to her child, she sees her child having a night mare, tossing and turning, calling out in his sleep.
As that child believes he lives within its dream, the loving mother wants desperately to awaken him from his dream, by saving him from his own experiences.

But she knows by awakening him from his dream quickly and telling him” Open your eyes NOW!. It’s me your mother who awakens you”. Screaming and kicking his mother then struggles to console him. For everything he knew, everything that he had was suddenly been taken away from him, his dream of an illusionary world.

She knows to awaken him quickly would surely shock him and bring an immense fear & despair, a delirious state in a way that he still believes he is in his dream of reality.

Yet his mother gently decides instead to stay close to his bedside, stroking his forehead, gently kissing his head, saying ever so softly, whispering” Its ok I am here, its all a dream, you were having a long nightmare, its not real, I am here for you, you are perfect, perfect love, you cannot suffer, you cannot be hurt in anyway, see now your surroundings and see that your home is the same as it was before you had your dream , A world away from me”.

Blessings to you all once again for sharing.

The journey home that we all are taking now ,is the one we now take,Trusting & knowing that there is a guidance with us that we can trust to show us the way .:1kis:

Sacrel:nature-smiley-008:

Hi Sacrel

This is the Reiki and energy healing forum, if you want to discuss god then can I suggest that you post in the religious forums provided, thanks.

Hi Sacrel

This is the Reiki and energy healing forum, if you want to discuss god then can I suggest that you post in the religious forums provided, thanks.

Frankly, Paul, that sounds a trifle curt. Sacrel himself said he didn't know where to post this thread but a very interesting and challenging thread it's turning out to be. If you think the thread should be moved, then go ahead and move it but perhaps you could phrase your request a little more sensitively.
Actually you've reminded me of a little tale from, I think, Sikhism. One of the Sikh gurus (someone will doubtless correct me if I've got this wrong) was seated in a mosque but facing in the 'wrong' direction. The mullah asked him to turn around in order to be able to pray to God. The reply? 'Please show me where God is not.'

Japanese Rieke consists of 2 words - Rie=God's Wisdom, Ki= Lifeforce-energy. I think it's in the right forum.
meta

Japanese Rieke consists of 2 words - Rie=God's Wisdom, Ki= Lifeforce-energy. I think it's in the right forum.
meta

It is true that Ki means Lifeforce energy, but more accurately it means spirit as the the word is taken from the life essence of rice and the steam rising from it. But the meaning of Rei is different to what you describe, it simply means supernatural power as in a ghost or spirit.

Myarka.

The word Rieki in the dictionary states the above meaning. Sorry, about that. Might write to the puplisher to change it.
Meta

Hi Sunanda

If by curt you mean direct, then yes no excuses for being direct, we are supposed to keep the forums in order, when things start to get discussed in the wrong forums, then someone has to tidy it up 🙂

This thread started all right as it was discussing healing, but Sacrels last post was not about healing, it was all about god and creation which belongs in the religious part of the forum, I don't think healing was mentioned once!

The word Rieki in the dictionary states the above meaning. Sorry, about that. Might write to the puplisher to change it.
Meta

Dictionary of Japanese or Latin characters?

Myarka.

I think this is the best place to debate's sacrel's post, as the user's of the Reiki forum is so passionate about such subjects. Like a dog with a bone :-))

Anycase, if life is relative does that mean that there is no difference between the preception and the perceiver?

RP

Hi Sunanda

If by curt you mean direct, then yes no excuses for being direct, we are supposed to keep the forums in order, when things start to get discussed in the wrong forums, then someone has to tidy it up 🙂

This thread started all right as it was discussing healing, but Sacrels last post was not about healing, it was all about god and creation which belongs in the religious part of the forum, I don't think healing was mentioned once!

With all due respect Paul, aren't you supposed to say 'With Mod's hat on' when telling us that something's in the wrong forum? Anyway, if, as you say, the thread started off in the 'correct' forum, I don't see that it should then be moved if the discussion meanders as this one is doing. If that were the case then threads would be zipping about the boards all over the place.

Hello Everyone

Apologies Paul by the way if I may seem to have strayed off the path slightly, didnt notice at the time.But healing still was the way I wanted to view.Just maybe a different waay of looking at it.

Thank you Sunanda/Meta and also everyone what a wonderful group of wise and connected family, It a joy to read this discussion as it continues.

Once the fingers begin typing an unexpected drift does happen now and then, Im sure others have experienced this. Only to realize afterwards "where has all this come from"? :rolleyes:

I think with Healing and Illusions being so closely connected to the belief of God, for maybe all creation & healing comes from (a source called God):o anyway?. even if it is our own creation maybe?. its difficult to keep on a strict rule to one line of healing.

I mentioned earlier that I have used the name god in order to help identify something purely for discussion and that the majority of people can relate to the word God when in discussion. I did not intend for a direct religious discussion, it just formed into this direction!, maybe there is a reason and meaning why that happened?.

For all forms of healing are not just related to Reiki, spiritual healing, but healing can come through words, love and forgiveness and simply a hug.:grouphug: and im sure in many other forms and ways. Yet in can be humans who direct to one path of healing, often not noticing the freedom that awaits around the corner for them in a different form.

The confusion of the illusion often loves to separate us, in order to avoid us coming together as one.

Who knows , maybe the realization of coming together as one is also a form of healing, and may well be the answer?

An amazing discussion, interesting to see views as they continue....

Blessings to you all,

Sacrel :nature-smiley-008:

Dearest Cecrel.
Thanks for an enlightening post, been not so long on this HP site, but this is the best I read here since. It's a very deep thought you shown. The energy of the written word can be very healing in itself, I think, Words are energy, they give inpulse to thought. and your article gave me great warmth. I study Metaphysics to find God -Truth- or energy, it's all the same to me. And the mystery of our seperation from this energy, I agree, could well be the human ego. keep it up. Regards Meta

feel like a bit of an idiot because I still havent got anything fantastically intelligent to add but like Meta said, this is one of the best threads ever. Fascinating. especially the "we created an ego that we call God" part.

Are you implying by the way that we used to belong to that god energy but have lost it, and wander without it since our creation.....reminiscent of the bible story...but even closer to uterine life and after-birth life, when we arent our Mother anymore.

I personaly feel God/energy is feminine...and fluid...and cant wait to learn more about life in the womb.

Carl Jung used to believe that life is just a downard curve, and a short one, that right from post-adolescence we just are preparing ourself for The End... and that the "main" life was before what we call life, and after. He was inspired by the Tibetan Book of the Dead and Im sure someone more knowledge than me (for I was supposed to read that book years ago but just couldnt face it), maybe Sunanda, can enlighten us on this particular topic.

No pressure, Sunanda, no pressure. :p

Hello all,

Id just like to chime in at this point with a few thoughts of my own which relate to Sacrels original post.

You quite rightly state that some pople believe that we live in an illusionary reality (an idea that i personally subscribe to) Im sure im preaching to the chior when I say that this is by no means a new idea and an idea that modern science is only just begining to catch up to.

So, to answer your question "is healing an illusion itself"?
Well i guess that answer is yes....it has to be.
But i believe it is certainly a necessary part of the illusion.

Healing only exists because illness and disease exist. Illness and disease must then also be an illusion, but i feel they serve an important aspect of the physical experience.
If you have come across information that suggests we live in an illusionay world, than i am gonna bet that you have come across information which says that ilness and disease are self inflicted and a due to energy blockages. This may be due to past mental traumas, negative beliefs, judgments and preconcieved notions, all of which stem from our past experiences and conditioning.

And in such a case, within the illuision, i would be so bold to state that we have to be thankful for disease and illness as they act as indicators to ourselves that there is something wrong with the way we think about something....... There is something that gives you dis-ease.

And in that vein, if you can recognise this and recognise the true root cause of the ailment, then you evolve. You come closer to all that is, to the universe, to god....whatever you wanna call it.

Just my two pence 🙂

Hello everyone 🙂

Wonderful conversations by the way

I have been pondering today while I was away, about the great replies; I wanted to reply with my thoughts in some way, apologies if they go astray..Just my opinion of course….

Quote: Fadette Are you implying by the way that we used to belong to that god energy but have lost it, and wander without it since our creation.....reminiscent of the bible story...but even closer to uterine life and after-birth life, when we aren’t our Mother anymore?
I personally feel God/energy is feminine...and fluid...and cant wait to learn more about life in the womb.
We still are still very much a part of God Fadette, we just don’t know it!.

Hi Fadette, You say you” personally feel God/energy feminine...and fluid...and can’t wait to learn more about life in the womb”.

And so you shall!,are you not the creator of your life?. What you create will be true to you and this is what you will seem to experience. For god uses your experiences to guide you home as with everyone. Go for it for each path we take is the guidance we all need as I.

That old saying: “All paths lead to the same place in the end”

Each person believes in their own creation and should follow it, Spiritual, Reiki, Words, Love, what ever form healing comes in is right for those who teach, channel and receive. For that is the healing right for them at that stage in their life.

Is it when we as creators separated from God, the impact was so large that Gods creation (us as one) shattered its purity and innocence into millions of separated creators now (us).

God within an instant corrected the separation, but we yet do not know this.
Through our now belief in guilt, we created the illusion of time, because as long as there is a need for healing our vision, there is a need for time, don’t you think!

Anyway the healing aspect here is that fear comes from guilt, and healing is the realization from fear.
Everything in this world can be traced back to the root cause …..fear!.
When people are afraid it is because the ego is deluding them.

Healing in its true form begins by someone saying to themselves” there must be a better way in this life, in this world, is this all there is?, is there nothing else? Why am I here? Why do I exist?”, then a sensitive thought enters the mind to ultimately reawaken spiritual vision, this weakens physical sight, you see spiritual sight cannot see sickness, therefore healing happens from this realization.

I have often said that the body needs no healing!, for body starts to act wrongly only when it is subjected to mis-thought, true healing restores you to your right mind.

In the illusion the mind does not know what to expect , the mind seeks the real value of love and its origins, but the ego is in total control, blocking every road the mind seems to take, often a person is deluded at the end of a chosen path and may feel “ That was wasted time”.:022:

The mind begins to experience something it does not like, the mind then looks around to see where it can displace its anger, its hurt, its loss, and guess what!, who is its nearest partner in life?….the body!.

The body is innocent, just something we carry to use that seems to aid us, but we dispel our minds thoughts upon it.

So the mind places this hurt into the body to get rid of the experience that it does not want, then the body starts to act wrongly, seemingly starts to become dis-eased……., ill!

Therefore the mind sees the body…. ill, but does not know why?, the mind then starts to seek something to heal it, unawares that it put the dis-ease there in the first place. ( This is the ego again and its clever delusion).. Anything that the illusionary world can offer it the mind seeks, but can an illusion offer healing to the lost mind?, the lost creation of God. Only god can free the mind by guiding it away from the deluding ego.

As long as the ego is in control, the world suffers! Seeking the true healing of god that the ego does not want them to find, that is why guidance is within our lives..

If we as creators are afraid to use the mind to heal, then it should not be attempted or tried.
Then the mind turns to the world of illusion which seeks out various forms of healing, continuing through life exchanging one healing for another to find that although many healing paths have been sought after and enjoyed temporary healing,

yet at the end of the minds seeming life there is still that inner yearning to still find just that one healing,….that one healing which takes away all guilt, bitterness. Fear and resentments & unforgiveness carried deep within, for only that person knows of….this is what we as creations seek to heal, yet have never found it!.

Do not wait till then, for the answer has already been given, yet misunderstood…True forgiveness of that which you have not been, of that which you are not, forgiveness of the long journey that was not needed in the first place.

Forgiveness not as we know it, but forgiveness to heal that you will be guided to by your believed divinity.

Forgiveness is healing, but the ego has not disclosed to the world, true forgiveness, because it is afraid of it, and wants to maintain control of the creators by belittling them into a belief that they have no where to go, no home and are slave to its demands by the treasures it offers.

The ego we keep because it is all we know, Why do we keep it?, because we made it and worship as a god!. We don’t know any different the world defends the ego, therefore the world must ask, and “What is it that it treasures?”

Healing is already happening within the life that each one of us lives in, the situations, the illnesses, the joys, the pain, the happiness are neutral experiences, for they are all created by us, but God uses our creations to heal us back home.

How many have you heard when after a shock, accident, illness they suddenly begin to turn to God/Spiritual.
Does god not use your creations to guide you back, in this I say that healing is shown to you, for now you know no matter what you experience, no matter the problem, everything is being used to save you and bring true healing to you. Breaking you away from the ego’s veil for Gods love calls you home this way.

Only because we cannot hear him! Can I give just one of im sure are many examples :(Like the rich man, was when Jesus asked him” give up all your treasures!. But the man could not, he valued the treasures of the ego so much, he did not understand that they were an illusion of his own making, if the man did; healing would have taken place, to his mind) healing has given him freedom..

What if god took away all his treasures unawares to the man, and he became depressed , angry and broken, I wonder where his mind would turn?, for the ego now longer has a hold on him here—Healing takes place does it not?, but not in the way he expected!...do you see!)

Healing is not always brought in a good experience, “Sometimes we have to break things down to build them back up right”. The ego teaches that everything he offers is all good, all rich and all happiness, so when you are being truly healed it seems like a bad experience. Because the ego told you so.

When god sent his son to heal his creations, everything he said and did was all healing, but the creators of God did not know it, the ego they made would not let them see the moment of instant healing. I believe gods sons message was misunderstood, instead we are now being guided from within.

Did the disciples write the bible through the whispering, manipulation and fear of the ego…eg:Gods wrath will come to you!!! And so on...Well that’s another story and no doubt a different forum.:o

I hope I have tried to present healing in a higher light beyond our worldly thinking and some reasons behind the way things happen within our world, Again I have used the words God and Gods son because it is easy for people to connect to without sounding too religious.. It’s difficult to share ones thoughts, sticking to a strict politically correct rule and not trying to portray a religion….Religion made from Man.

I will leave you now and hope not bored you all too much!:sleep:

Blessings to you all once again

Sacrel

Hi Sacrel,

I've only just come across your thread and feel there is a lot of questions all condensed into your first post. If I may just return to the original questions you were asking and pick up on one or two things...

God cannot and does not change. God has been and always will be. God is.!
It is we that have changed through our minds thoughts, god has not changed, god does not change, and some believe that this message has always been since time began.

Yet if god does not change, then if what changes is not of god surely?,= the illusion is constantly changing!

Healing changes!, energy changes!, is this then not of god also ?,because it changes!

Is healing then not of god because it is healing within the ever changing illusion?.

You talk a great deal in these sentances of "change", but what is "change"? Change is the attachment of mind to the past and comparison with that past to the present or the future; it is the passage of time as measured by the attachment of mind to the miriad of present moments that exist, but yet only one present moment exists.... and that is Now! The passage of time itself is an illusion; only the single point of time that is Now, truly exists.

As the passage of time is an illusion, things only ever exist in the Now, and in the present moment, everything is stillness; there is no such thing as "change" and therefore everything is unchanging and, by the same logic, everything is God; however you choose to label or percieve God. If everything is God, then it cannot be that anything is apart from God, so there is no "God over here and illusion over here". They are not seperate; to believe so is a dualistic perception of mind; not the truth.

So then, is healing an illusion?

Healing is a recognition within the illusion of passing time, that there is a place of stillness; a place where there is no change; that all dis-ease is just an attachment of mind in passing time. (When I was in hospital recently with a Kidney Stone, my body was feeling a lot of great pain, but when I remembered to be in the present moment, to let go of the attachment to passing time, the pain didn't exist; it was just a present state of the body and my true Self could observe the stillness in which no pain existed). With practicing healing in the passing of time, we act for ourselves to bring ourselves (mind, body, spirit... etc.) to the present moment, and likewise we can bring this recognition to others (not that there are others, but in this illusionary world we perceive them as so).

Healing is illusion and it is truth; it is a label of something in passing time that is like a doorway to recognition of stillness or present moment or Now or whatever you want to label it. It is very much a real concept in passing time, yet in the present moment it doesn't exist, because if we are truly in the present moment, there is no need for healing, just as there is no need for anything.

🙂

All Love and Reiki Hugs

Illusion???? Im disillusioned by some, God is the Father, therefore male.
We give birth, we do not 'create' God is the Creator of all.
The bible is neither fiction nor fable, its is Truth....
and the truth can be hard to hear sometimes.
But He loves you, despite your harsh speaking against Him.
Servant of Christ.

sorry if this too is in the wrong posting column, thought I should be allowed to speak also though.

where did you that ascertain that God is male? in the 2000 years old bible?

Hello Maure 🙂

Hope you dont mind I have just started another post in "General faiths", I am sure This one will continue relating to Healing " Healing? A False Illusion".

But with quite a discussion moving into the area of God I felt might be best in "I think" the right place.and illusions I expect somewhere in there.

I have replied to you on the other post.and of course your reply has inspired me to move into another post.

I hope this one will continue. amazing discussion.:eek:

Blessings to you

Sacrel:nature-smiley-008:

Hi All:)

If we believe that healing is simply exchanging one illusion for a more “nicer “one.
For example: An illusion of illness for an illusion of health.
Maybe that would be some form of breakthrough in the way we look at the mind.

To heal the mind is then for the body to heal, is it not?

In some medical practices today the benefits of treating patients in a joyful, and happy environment increases their healing time. Compared to dull, old and depressing environments.
Does a happy and joyful environment mean a nice illusion compared to a depressing environment that could represent an illness illusion?. If the mind is this powerful and can shift in an instant, then healing itself could also shift as quick through the belief in the exchange of one illusion for another.

Reiki however, is amazing, and like many other healing channels have had witnessed recoveries in ways never expected.
Yet I still cannot get over just how mind blowing Reiki can be , for example:
when the thought of someone off the street can see a master, have a little attunement, bang a few symbols over the head and palms, and hey presto there you go,….. Burning hands!:speechless-smiley-0
I know it’s not like as I described, but for a playful description. But you gotta say, it’s beyond our understanding how instant and amazing it is..

I feel Reiki is well underrated, and should be given the respect it needs.

How it fits in the illusion of things?, well I gotta work this one out yet!,;)

Blessings

Sacrel:nature-smiley-008: