I'd never heard of Angelic Reiki, so I looked it up and found this:

"Angelic Reiki differs from traditional Reiki systems because the healer channels at Angelic vibration, so the healing is very pure. The Angels themselves do all the attunements and administer the healing in this system through the Angelic Kingdom of Light."
Erm, really? Do angels need insuring?

Hello Supersub,
Thanks for your reply.
As with other forms of reiki we..(therapist)are only a channel, so i can not see the differance?
We need to make sure everyone is covered and made safe.

Love and sunshine
Rachel

Hallow, it infuriates me!

That is why I left the FHT, because they did not cover me for courses not accredited by the FHT. I currently am not insured as its too expensive but am learning many different forms of healing modalities. I would think that Reiki alone would cover all of them as the energy after all comes from the same place.

I am sure there are other insurers out there that would cover these other forms of Reiki.

Hello Heaven~spirit...
Thankyou for your reply. Yes i will be leaving them aswell....
Yes i also agree with you about the energy all coming from the same place., and that it shouldl be covered under reiki

I just need to find insurance for both holistic and beauty as i do facials..and the odd eye last tint and pedicure...

Rachelx

You could try Balens, although there's presently a server error message on their website:

<a class="go2wpf-bbcode" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href=" http://www.balens.co.uk/ "> http://www.balens.co.uk/

Their contact details can also be found here:

at the bottom of that page - postal address, email and phone number - which can't be posted on HP forums.

Holistic

hi Girls,
I can assure you that FHT will insure you for any courses accreddited by any PA who are members of the GCMT or any of the other lead bodies they belong to in the holistic field. I can speak to the CEO or Vice president for you if you like. The trouble however lies within the system, for a course to be accredited it must have a core curricula which meets either National Occupational Standards or be aligned to NVQ.
For a therapy to go through these beaurocratic processes there is usually a time period associated with hoop jumping exercises. I have personally never heard of it either and therefore to blame the poor girl who is simply reading from a list of acceptable therapies is possibly a bit unfair. What I would say is you should contact your training provider and ask them to approach FHT with their external accreditations to have the qualification listed.
Davidmh indicated on an alternative thread that his process took 4 years to get a course recognised, my experience is certainly a minimum of 2 years.

I wish you both the best with your ongoing development but please dont shoot the messanger, even if she did seem dissmissive.
regards
BGFL

Hi Rachel,
could I book in for one of your EYE LAST TINTS please??????
BGFL

Hi again,

The FHT did insure me for courses such as my indian head massage which I took on a day course however I had to become an Associate for that. They would not have insured me as a Member. Since then I've taken Aromatherapy through long distance learning and am not sure whether I would be insured for that. I think the Associate membership is an extra £4 a year.

However you will find that there are millions of Reiki Masters out there teaching these forms of modalities. Its impossible for all of us to get accredited for our courses. I myself do not understand the accreditation process. Does it cost money? I do know of one person who has all his reiki courses accredited but not through the F.H.T.

Gosh but 2 to 4 years for a course to be accredited is certainly a long time. Surely for shorter courses this would be less.

Something to think about though. Thanks Gary.

Hello Gaz,
How are you?
Thankyou for your reply....very indepth one at that. I was thinking of forwarding the details onto the chef of angelic reiki..as i know there is alot of change going on about and around angelic reiki...so it might be a case of watch this space. With regards to the lady on the other end of the phone...she knew about angelic reiki and....in very black and white terms said..it wasnt something they covered...!!!

Now with regards to the tint....i will have to do a patch test before hand? do you wont black or blue black?
lol
Rachelx

Obviously shorter courses will take less time to accredit, however I would question how Aromatherapy could be taught or learnt by distance learning, surely there must be hands on or practical training?
The accrediatation is there to ensure recognised training providers are in effect singing from the same hymn sheet, from experience I have found that some courses who are either self accredited or not accredited are sub standard and it is these courses who contribute to the negative press that CAM is experiencing.
there has been a similar thread on the subject started by MYARKA questioning the rise in training providers during the economic downturn, where we have discussed the importance of having teaching qualifications and vocational experience.
Iwas travelling from London last thursday and overheard someone telling colleagues that she could make more money running reflexology weekend workshops than working at her office job all month.
My point is that if she is in an office job, she hasnt succeeded as a reflexologist and therefore is not best placed to offer training courses and business advice.
regards
BGFL

Hi Hallos

Why bother FHT about Angelic Reiki when you already have (Usui) Reiki? That's a bit like doing an Indian Head Massage course then doing an Ayurvedic Indian Head Massage with similar techniques but with some ayurvedic knowledge chucked in, or studied Eunice Ingham style reflexology and then went on to precision reflexology afterwards. It's still just IHM and reflexology.

This is when insurance gets silly. But I have to admit if a PA talked to me in that fashion and would tell them where to stick it. So I do have empathy for you.

Best Wishes

RP

Hi Gary
Just to clarify, my aromatherapy was distance, since I could not afford the college fees. It took me 11 months to undertake the course. It was extremely hard and a challenge. Since I have swedish massage, the course notes for the massage were easy to understand.

I don't agree with undertaking a reflexology course on a weekend as one must apply knowledge through practical training etc.,

Yes I have seen Myarka's post about teaching qualifications which is an interesting read.

Also the SNHS is accredited by the International Council of Holistic Medicine as advertised on Healthy Pages.

Reiki Pixie, that is so true - they all come under the same umbrella!

Hello Reiki Pixie,
Thanks for your reply. Yes i see where you are coming from with regards to the insurance side of things.....i really have no idea why they do not cover it and with regards to how they dealt with me well that was just shocking.

Hence im looking into other insurance companys.

Thanks Holistic for your reply..i will check them out!

Love and sunshine
Rachelx

Hi HS

That's exactly what I meant - the same umbrella. If recent training (in the case of Hallos) is Angelic Reiki and previous training is in Usui Reiki. How can you judge or quantify such differences when dealing with subtle energy that most scientists and skeptics don't believe in?

It would be different if it was a massage therapist that studied ear candling. A completely different technique with health and safety issues even though it includes face and neck massage as part of the routine. That should be stated as a separate therapy on the insurance policy.

Best Wishes

RP

Hi Hallos

Just noticed your reply.

If money isn't a big issue, there is something to be said about having independent insurance coverage so you can't be dictated by a PA.

As a recomendation I find Holistic Insurance Services to be pretty OK.

Best Wishes

RP

Hello Again,
HERE, HERE.. reiki Pixie...i can not believe such a huge organisation such as the FHT can be so narrow minded.

I will be of course passing on my comments...to them!!

Love and sunshine
Rachelx

Yes i am looking at them now. Thankyou. Reiki Pixie..xx

For anyone interested!!!

Holisticinsurance want £80 pounds to cover both holistic and beauty treatments.

Dont think balens cover angelic reiki and the uk federation of reiki dont accecpt it either.

Heres alink..for those who know nothing about angelic reiki:

Hello All,

This is the feedback i got from The UK REIKI:

We are unable to accept angelic Reiki for membership purposes because it is
a channelled system and does not originate from Mikao Usui. This is not only
our requirement but is a requirement for regulation which states that a
lineage with an unbroken lineage of teachers back to the originator of the
system must be produced, and which in this instance cannot happen.

Love and sunshine
Rachelx

Heya all

Excuse me but I thought Usui Reiki was a channelled modality to start with!!!!

Yes..me too.....absolutely shocking!
We all know its because the work angelic has been used....and that just opens up all sorts of questions.

Love and sunshine
Rachelx

Hello All,
Ive just come off the phone from the FHT...after having a moan about not insuring for Angelic reiki.....and the lastest is..if you have lev 1 and 2 in normal reiki then they will insure you for angelic..but not have angelic written on your insurance...just reiki!!

Great..ive only got lev 1 in unsi reiki.!
So what i need to learn it or change insurance....!!
Yes..and guess what..you dont get a refund...if your cancel...with the FHT..
arrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Love and sunshine
Rachelx

For reference, the NOS had to have a definition of Reiki that was inclusive of forms of Reiki that actually are forms of Reiki and exclusive to other types of healing that tag the term 'Reiki' on the end of the name to make it seem like Reiki. The guideline we came up with was that to be classed as 'Reiki' the system would need a lineage starting with Usui-sensei. Usui-sensei founded Reiki as it is understood in the West and therefore the term 'Reiki' refers to that system and its variants.

The other thing is, if some one channels a new form of healing, why would they call it 'Reiki'? Why not just call it something else? That way there would be no confusion.

I am finding this thread extremely interesting.

I am wondering though why the FHT is coming in for so much criticism - surely it is the responsibility of the originator/teacher of any training course to ensure that the course is recognised by the appropriate associations and insurance companies. The associations and insurance companies can only recognise/approve/accredit courses where the originator/teacher approaches them and pays for the process - otherwise their members would have to fund the costs, not a good idea. I certainly wouldn't join an association where my membership fees were being used to fund the costs of approving courses.

So for me the lesson I have taken from this thread is to to ensure that any course I take is recognised by my association and insurance company.

Its also called Usui System of Natural Healing so Angelic could be called Angelic System of Natural Healing. I have said this in a past post and will repeat it. Reiki means Universal Life Force Energy. All these forms of energy or new healing systems, use energy which come from the Universe, the Life Force, the Source, Godddess, God, Angels etc....

I just believe that they are all one and the same, except with different creators.

Its also called Usui System of Natural Healing so Angelic could be called Angelic System of Natural Healing. I have said this in a past post and will repeat it. Reiki means Universal Life Force Energy. All these forms of energy or new healing systems, use energy which come from the Universe, the Life Force, the Source, Godddess, God, Angels etc....

I just believe that they are all one and the same, except with different creators.

I personally feel that every form of Reiki is different. To me Reiki is more than a type of energy, it is a complete system that includes unique teachings and methods. That is why I teach one system of Reiki only. I teach traditional Usui Reiki Ryoho because it works perfectly as it is. It is simple, elegant and very effective.

Hi Hallos RE post #24

I didn't realise that you have only Usui level 1. I see why FHT are being funny with you and I didn't realise that Angelic Reiki wasn't a branch of Usui Reiki. Why not send them a copy of your course notes and any syllabus/course info and see if they would insurance it. But as I'm typing this I have realised also the problem with Reiki NOS. So much politics! I think you are still better off with a private insurance policy.

Best Wishes

RP