RE: Distant Attunements Yes or No

Hi Healistic

why have you been distantly attuned and it is up to you what you believe is right whether you or getting distant attunement or in person the only difference is that you have got your Reiki master to go back to ask questions and he is ther for reasurance uless your distant attunement has email support you could email your reiki master like i did.

RE: Distant Attunements Yes or No

Hello Healistic

The question of non-acceptance by the UKRF of distance attunements has certainly arisen before, but I cannot recall if they gave a reason for this. Do you know their reason why they won't accept them?

My own experiences of distance attunements ... given, not received ... will have to wait for the time being, but I'll get back when I can with my own, limited though they are.

Holistic

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I have had distant attunements and found them to be very powerful and the energies simply lovely. I believe that distant attunements should be accepted, however I believe that that same person should receive face to face tuition in at least one of the modalities so that they know how to correctly carry out a treatment and are comfortable with using their energies with clients, not just for the sake of the client, but also the practitioner.

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The question of non-acceptance by the UKRF of distance attunements has certainly arisen before, but I cannot recall if they gave a reason for this. Do you know their reason why they won't accept them?

I am not sure yet, but I will find out.

I have given but have not received distant attunements. But my own personal and feedback information tells me that yes, distant attunements do work.

I have had distant attunements and found them to be very powerful and the energies simply lovely. I believe that distant attunements should be accepted, however I believe that that same person should receive face to face tuition in at least one of the modalities so that they know how to correctly carry out a treatment and are comfortable with using their energies with clients, not just for the sake of the client, but also the practitioner.

Hi Gussie
That is a good point.
At the momentI only offer 1&2 by distant attunements and have held back on going further for the same reasons as what you have said in your reply. But if the student does not wish to use reiki other than as self healing and a “way of life” which IMO was originally what reiki was about. Then face to face with a tutor is not necessary.

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To me Spiritual healing is just that and I find it hard to accept that we have to be regulated. The rogues always get through anyway!

Maybe it's not the being attuned distantly that's the problem, but having a recognised (by their standards) credible RMT that offers certificates showing lineage?

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hi healistic

i was distantly attuned recently and i have found the energies quite strong the way to after distant attunements you should make sure that you have the manuals that go with the distant attunements that tell you about what reiki is and the hand positions so you can learn as you go it also a good idea to go along to your local reiki share group normally they will not ask you how you have been attuned but if questioned tell them you have been attuned face to face i was distantly attuned by Reiki master garry malone i have three manuals one for each level that go into detail and he offer email support in case i have any questions with garry i got the full package that is distant attunement 3 manuals, meditation music and email support and so far he had given me top advice also he doe not believe in joining an association he says all that mean is thier logo on your stationery you can still get insurance even though your not with an assocation i will getting insured with Balens.

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Hi Peter

No you should nottell untruths about your connections to anyone, the connections are valid and from the energiesregardless of the means utilised to achieve them, energy work is all about inner truth and personal spiritual growth, if anyone is turned away from an energy circle/Reiki circle because they have been attuned in a different format to the person running it, then you simply do not belong there, go and find one that is open to people who channel energy regardless of anything and join them, you will learn a lot more and grow.;-)

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sorry if i affended anyone that certainly was not the intention the reiki group i am going to are very open and welcome every that is interested in reiki whether your attuned or not they welcome all levels i did not mean to imply that share groups are snobbish but 1 or 2 are and that should not be the case.

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Is it only that Federation, or are other Reiki "bodies" (for want of a better word) the same?

"Distant attunements" cover such a wide area - if you're given a manual/ further training and support or not to start off with - that it seems a shame to put a blanket ban on every single one!!

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I see a lot of pros and cons to distance attunements.

Pros:

They work. A distance attunement can attune a person to the Reiki as experienced by Usui and enable him/her to transmit the same to others.

They are convenient. It seems that distance attunements may be gaining greater popularity due to our relatively new communication system (the internet - it really hasn't been around that long). It's much more convenient to sit in front of a computer screen (perhaps with a webcam) and interact with others than it is to get-up-and-go someplace else.

It can be less expensive:.
- Many online Reiki communities perform regular distance attunements (such as the newsgroup alt.healing.reiki) while others such as the international forums Share Reiki ([link= http://www.sharereiki.org ]www.sharereiki.org[/link]) promote free attunements by request.
- If a person has a family and wants to be trained in person during a weekend workshop, additional expenses of childcare may be necessary - someone must care for the kids!

Cons:

Teacher-to-Student certainty of understanding is never entirely certain. The attunement can be performed, manuals can be provided but whether or not the student actually comprehends the theories and concepts driving the manual is never formally known.

Poor Ethics.

- Plagiarism and violation of copyrights remains in wide practice by many teaching Reiki. The Steine's in Australia are a perfect example of this. It was in early 2000 when they obtained login codes to Rick Rivards Threshold Reiki Student Pages, saved some of his material and on some removed his copyrights and republished it as their own (leaving not only the text intact but the photographs of Rivard and his Wife demonstrating techniques).
- The Reiki Pages, a website maintained by James Deacon, is probably the Reiki site most plagiarized. I believe it was as recent as 2004 or 2005 that one self published author printed pages and pages of information from James site. I don't recall the authors name or book title on hand but a discussion about the situation was brought up on alt.healing.reiki.
Distance Attunements are creating a LOT of Reiki "Masters" with no honor, a virtue very important in Japanese culture.

Self Aggrandizement
- Reiki History is already beginning to repeat itself in this year of 2007. It was in the late 80's and throughout the 90's a dark period in the history of Reiki emerged, one which I affectionately refer to as "The Reiki Wars." This was an era when Reiki Masters were publicly denouncing other Reiki Masters. "That's not true Reiki", "attunements from 'that' Reiki Master don't work" and much other less polite accusations continued. This is tendency is beginning to manifest again, although with a slightly more polite edge. The emphasis of "True Reiki" or "The True Spirit of Reiki" is being made as a means to differentiate the greater importance of one teachers lineage to another. The teachers I have observed making these statements primarily train their students through distance education.

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Hi Steve

Welcome to the forum

You can apply all good and bad points to both methods, actually the original question is a little ambiguous as there is not distance in the energies as everything is one, so therefore there is no such thing as distance anything in energy work.

I suppose another way of looking at it would be to describe it as a physical contact attunement (hands on)as opposed to a spiritual contact attunement (energy consciousness) as most people appreciate they both work on an energy level.

There are not that many teachers who actually take the time to develop their own manuals, so yes as you say plagiarism is ripe, unfortunately to be able to write your own manuals also requires a better understanding of an energy modality that what is often taught, and then the original concepts are adapted and you end up with your closing statements of my Reiki is better, higher, closer to the source etc.

It is in many way sad that Reiki which started as a simple spiritual self development modality has travelled down many of the roads it has done, the splits and diversity has done little to validate the system, there is lots of confusion and an abundance of misinformation which does little to help the new initiate looking for enlightenment, and to cap it all some bright spark decided it would be go to make it a complimentary therapy and go down the road of regulation, which is what started this discussion

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I have been attuned both ways and really enjoyed both experiences The one thing that I find hypocritical about the non acceptance of distant attunements is this:

You can have someone trained to Master / Teacher via distant attunements and then attune someone face to face and the student can be registered but not the master! Am I understanding this correctly?

Im afraid you can get charlatons in both face to face AND distant methods of attunements so I do feel that not being able to be registered if you came the 'distant attunement' path, alienates some very GENUINE and TALENTED healers.

I dont have an answer for discouraging 'charlatans' other than relying on your OWN intuition and guidance and to a degree reccomendation. Although I do appreciate that one RMT will not always appeal to everyone!

Regulation in any spherewill always be difficult as you cannot keep everyone happy, but I do feel that the Reiki Federations havent got it quite right yet.

Great discussion

RE: Distant Attunements Yes or No

You can have someone trained to Master / Teacher via distant attunements and then attune someone face to face and the student can be registered but not the master! Am I understanding this correctly?

As far as I am aware this could be the case.

As I have said before in my association we accept distant attunements to levels 1&2 but we feel that at master level and above certainly at teacher level there should be a contact attunement.

RE: Distant Attunements Yes or No

ORIGINAL: Paul Crick
You can apply all good and bad points to both methods, actually the original question is a little ambiguous as there is not distance in the energies as everything is one, so therefore there is no such thing as distance anything in energy work.

Spot on Paul. In fact it's so ambiguous you could say that all attunments are done at a distance, after all the placing of the symbols during the attunement is not done with any actual "contact" on the student, just in the vicinity of them.

So if a person is in the same room but the attunement is carried out from the other side of the room without any contact will the Reiki Fed. deem that to be a distance attunement? Of course they won't. But then how can they differentiate between a few feet and a few (or many) miles? What actually changes in that distance? Nothing, because everything is energy and all energy is connected.

The only thing that can be lacking from a distance attunement is the ability to demonstrate, practice and ask/explain questions effectively. So to me it seems that the Reiki Fed's issue is not with the distance attunements themselves, but with their concern over the amount of hands on training that a person receives.

The question then arises, What if the person has previously been trained in hands on healing of another modality and then receives the distance attunement and manual for Reiki and has no problem easily applying the details in the manual based on their previous experience? Should those people be excluded by the Reiki Fed?

I guess it all comes down to how much you value the Reiki Fed and want to become a member of their organisation.

Love and Reiki Hugs

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The question then arises, What if the person has previously been trained in hands on healing of another modality and then receives the distance attunement and manual for Reiki and has no problem easily applying the details in the manual based on their previous experience? Should those people be excluded by the Reiki Fed?

This is pretty much my situation! My biggest gripe is not how much *I* value the Federation but how much potential clients value it. Do people feel that being a member of the Federation gives you more credibility to people looking for a Reiki Practitioner / Teacher?

It would be a better representation of peoplescredibility if membership was given based on a certain amount of case studies for both practising Reiki AND teaching Reiki. At the end of the day in my very humble opinion the attunement is just the begining regardless of how you attain it - the real hallmark of a credible healer / teacher is plenty of practice and continued personal development. The only way that this could be proved is by submitting case studies - and even then it could STILL be open to abuse for the very determined[&o]

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It would be a better representation of peoplescredibility if membership was given based on a certain amount of case studies

Interesting point. To my knowledge this has not been thought of before with reiki associations.
Do you mind if I pass this on for consideration by my association?

RE: Distant Attunements Yes or No

Interesting point. To my knowledge this has not been thought of before with reiki associations.
Do you mind if I pass this on for consideration by my association?

Of course I dont mind!! I am glad you think my ramblings are worth investigation LOL!!!

RE: Distant Attunements Yes or No

I've been searching through the UK Reiki Federation's website to find the reference that they do not accept distance attunements. Thus far I have been unable to find that reference. Can someone provide the click through path or url to the page that states it?

Healistic's original question is: "Do you think it is right?" (that the UKRF does not accept distance attunements).

Browsing through the UKRF website, I found the following statements:

"We are an independent federation of individuals who have been attuned to Reiki, with the objective of forming a national umbrella organisation for education, training and guidance in the public practice of Reiki."
- That tells me they are seeking to form basic standards for its members. Psychological, Medical, Fitness and even equine clubs do the same. I don't see anything wrong with this and certainly support their aims on a personal level (at this time, subject to change on their future actions to the public).

"A large amount of work has been done by the UK Reiki Federation with regards to recommended educational standards within Reiki training."
- Without establishing standards it would be very difficult to present Reiki as a valid modality to any official governing bodies.

"A summary of the Guidelines for Reiki Training (PDF, 32kb), which have been produced as a result of member feedback...."
- That tells me a group of existing people who may be much like you and me (probably Reiki practitioners), authored the guideline document.

The Summary of Reiki Guidelines contains this statement in its opening remarks:
"These recommendations are to be used as a guide only, and are not mandatory."
- What I noticed here was that it was a "guide only" and not "mandatory".
"Our Aims and Objectives are:
...
- To create maintain and evaluate professional standards of training for practitioners of Reiki
...
- To represent a collective voice within the field of Reiki through which to instigate and maintain a dialogue with relevant external agencies
...."

If distance attunements are not accepted by the UKRF then yes, I think it is right. Based on their aims & objectives it looks to me as if they are doing what a collective group of Reiki practitioners needs to do in order to establish a group that operates with respectable standards (to the public through official governing agencies). Formal organizations have a tendency to do those things.

References:
[link= http://www.reikifed.co.uk/ ]http://www.reikifed.co.uk/[/link]
Guidelines on Reiki Training: [link= http://www.reikifed.co.uk/pub/lib/2004/educ/reikifed-training-guidelines-2004.pdf ]http://www.reikifed.co.uk/pub/lib/2004/educ/reikifed-training-guidelines-2004.pdf[/link]

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i found this on the UK federation website about distant attunements

Although the principle of Distant Attunements is acknowledged, the UK Reiki Federation believes that individuals should have personal contact and tutoring with a teacher, particularly at levels 1 and 2. In our opinion it is important to have time with your teacher in order to receive appropriate support during your development. For this reason the UK Reiki Federation does not accept Distant Attunements for practitioner membership of the Federation. Individuals who have received Distant Attunements, may apply for Associate Membership but would not be eligible to upgrade to practitioner.

referernce:

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Thank you, Peter.

Based on your quote, the UK Reiki Federation DOES accept distance attunements as valid attunements.

Now I know.

Thanks again.

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hi steve
no they do not accept distant attunements it says that they know they are acknowledged .

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Well, like it or lump it I'm going to have to do a distance attunement for one of my students. I'm currently teaching Reiki 2 over several weeks and one student has been able to attend the last two sessions due to child care problems. She has received her 1st attunement to Reiki 2 but I need to complete. This will be a whole new ball game for me - to actually give distance attunements!

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Glenys, that's a great example.
How would the Reiki Fed treat such a case. Would they say that this student has not completed their training because not all attunements were given in person?

There are so many situations to take account of, who can say who is a good practitioner or not just based on whether they have had distance attunements or not? What if the student had all attunements by distance and then had in person/hands on training with the master to actually use Reiki on clients?

Love and Reiki Hugs

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DETAILS OF REIKI TRAINING – Please forward copy certificates with your application. (for Master Teacher membership, certificate must clearly

state that you are able to Teach/initiate). Please note that all training must have been "in-person" or "face to face" ( distant attunements are not accepted)

From ReikiFeds membership form - [link= http://www.reikifed.co.uk/pub/about/fed/join/reikifed_mem-app.pdf ]http://www.reikifed.co.uk/pub/about/fed/join/reikifed_mem-app.pdf[/link]

There are so many situations to take account of, who can say who is a good practitioner or not just based on whether they have had distance attunements or not?

Totally Agree *nods head* then there is the scenario where you can get a Reiki 1 / Reiki 2 certificate after one days training and then have no further involvement with the reiki Master after that! I do know that this happens. How can you compare this to a distant attunement with several months regular contact from the RMT for support and guidance? There is just no 'one' scenario even with hands on teaching. There are so many different ways of learning Reiki.

I still think it is such a shame to alienate an ever growing group of Reiki Healers. In this day and age distant attunements and flexible training is the only way some people can learn such a wonderful technique. To me it is quite sad that the federations wont recognise this way of learning.

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oooh i dont normally get "drawn" to the reiki "debates" ;), but, well, here i am!!

may i say, for a change, this is a pleasant "pros and cons" thread... well done!

i agree with reiki 1 being face to face... simply to gain an understanding of how to give and receive, much like i thinkdoing any bodywork courses distantly, with no actual practical time with a tutor, isnt a good thing. as it happens, i did my reiki 1 & 2 at a local college, over 2 terms, so plenty of time to be attuned, settle in and practice and get lots of guidance and feedback.

i see no reason why other attunements cant be given distantly though and from my own experience, i found it to be a highly pleasurable experience. but then i dont attune distantly to just anyone, so i guess a "connection" is already there. so, support would be there, if needed.

i have never understood the need to write your own manual as part of the master level... why the need? isnt this where the reiki idea becomes "distorted" due to everyone's interpretations? (someone up the thread said similarly). we each have our own ideas and views of how we use reiki afterall... and isnt the main thing to use it for the greater good? so, imo, nuff said!

i know the reiki fed are trying to work with the best intention and i am sure we would sooner have their regulations inflicted on us then a government elected regulation board, but i still dont have it sit comfortably with me that reiki can be "boxed", as such.

reiki is energy, free flowing and available to all. the attunement process, in many cases, is to get a certificate to say, oh look, i can do reiki! its not like "we" cant do it by ourselves, right? many people are open already.

the lineage... well... after about the 5th name, they are, well just names... who can verify lineage anyway? (sure, ethics come into that bit, but ya know what i mean?)

so... lol in short, people will do what is right for them. distance courses are available in all bodywork and healing modalities. if one goes that route with no hands on guidance/ experience and then feels comfortable to practice, so be it. personally i would only practice on public what i feel competant in.

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That's a very good point.

I've received distance attunements to all levels and I'm very new to this forum.

Who here will personally endorse me as a Reiki Master Teacher?

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reiki is energy, free flowing and available to all. the attunement process, in many cases, is to get a certificate to say, oh look, i can do reiki! its not like "we" cant do it by ourselves, right? many people are open already.

If by Reiki you mean Usui Reiki Ryoho, then not really unless you have been taught the methods and theory of this system. I agree some people can naturally channel energy, but that is not Usui Reiki Ryoho, that is people channelling energy.

so... lol in short, people will do what is right for them. distance courses are available in all bodywork and healing modalities. if one goes that route with no hands on guidance/ experience and then feels comfortable to practice, so be it

What about people not being competent or confident with little or no trainingcalling themselves Reiki practitioners and charging clients money for a poor and ineffectual service?

To me it is quite sad that the federations wont recognise this way of learning.

Distant attunements will not be accepted by the new Reiki registration body being set up by the RRWG either.

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ORIGINAL: omega1
What about people not being competent or confident with little or no trainingcalling themselves Reiki practitioners and charging clients money for a poor and ineffectual service?

There are going to be people like that in any field. In the end they just won't get the business if they're not comfortable and knowledgable about what they are doing.

Distant attunements will not be accepted by the new Reiki registration body being set up by the RRWG either.

How are they going to verify whether a person has had hands on or distance attunements? And what if a person had distance attunements but plenty of hands-on training from the master in person? Why should they be excluded?

Seems like it's all a game of power... who can lay down their own rules that everybody has to follow otherwise your not in their gang. Reminds me of being at school. [&:]

Love and Reiki Hugs

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hello omega1

ORIGINAL: omega1

(this was ro§ie) :

reiki is energy, free flowing and available to all. the attunement process, in many cases, is to get a certificate to say, oh look, i can do reiki! its not like "we" cant do it by ourselves, right? many people are open already.

If by Reiki you mean Usui Reiki Ryoho, then not really unless you have been taught the methods and theory of this system. I agree some people can naturally channel energy, but that is not Usui Reiki Ryoho, that is people channelling energy.

<snip>

<sigh> your reply is one of the reasons i said :

ORIGINAL: ro§ie

oooh i dont normally get "drawn" to the reiki "debates" ;), but, well, here i am!!

may i say, for a change, this is a pleasant "pros and cons" thread... well done!

your statement is sounding like what paul crick referred to :

ORIGINAL: Paul Crick

<snip>

then the original concepts are adapted and you end up with your closing statements of my Reiki is better, higher, closer to the source etc.

you do see that from what you said? i mean, i could say, how do you know for sure yours is nearer to usui's? he's not around to verify it and he wrote no manual as guidance either.

but, this forum has been around the block more than once on this matter. i know what i do is absolutely fine, thanks.

paul sums it up very well:

ORIGINAL: Paul Crick

<snip>

It is in many way sad that Reiki which started as a simple spiritual self development modality has travelled down many of the roads it has done, the splits and diversity has done little to validate the system, there is lots of confusion and an abundance of misinformation which does little to help the new initiate looking for enlightenment, and to cap it all some bright spark decided it would be go to make it a complimentary therapy and go down the road of regulation, which is what started this discussion