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While I was on holiday (at a macrobiotic camp with ongoing lectures, workshops demonstrations etc) I went to a talk about Deeksha. Deeksha, sometimes spelt Diksha, is described as:"a hands-on transference of Divine energy that brings about a state of oneness, or enlightenment."
To me, it sounded like the fundamentals of any channelled healing but I decided to keep an open mind and see what it was about.
Having sat through the full hour and a half, my conclusions about the talk was that, while the speakers seemed to be motivated by love, I felt a degree of discomfort because this method of divine healing was apparently invented by a couple (supposedly avatars)in India. It is my belief that human beings are pieces of God and are therefore inextricably linked to the Source of divine energy or healing at all times....but why attribute any particular significance to these two people who apparently have the authority to "pass it on"when we can all do it? Surely this is a disempowering?
It didn't resonate with me at all, and while I feel that some form of healing is better than none, I was somewhat concerned by the general toneof Deeksha, and at everyone who seemed to jump at it. Here's the paragraph about it, and some further links for you to have a look at.
'Diksha', or baptism as we know it in the West, is a hands-on transference of Divine energy that brings about a state of oneness, or enlightenment. In the past, only a very few have been blessed with this state. Now, for the first time in human history, enlightenment is being made available to everyone through the grace if Sri Bhagavan (See picture). Sri Bhagavan, or Kalki as he is often called, is an Avatar who has the mission of bringing enlightenment to the world at this critical time.
Bhagavan says that you cannot attain a full state of enlightenment through your own efforts, although you can get close. Full enlightenment is a state that must be given to you!
What happens to us when we receive Diksha probably cannot be understood by the human mind, but it can best be described as a neuro-biological shift in the brain. We become detached or de-clutched from our mind. We are still able to feel feelings and have old thoughts, but there is no charge there anymore, and we start to experience permanent peace and joy. It is not about becoming mindless, but rather 'mindful' and being totally present with reality as it is.
The Offcial Deeksha website: [url]Oneness For All[/url]
What do you
guru and cult
The Bhagavan mentioned is a living person i.e. this is a 'cult' with a guru. The above links by an ex-member exposes the large amount of money changing hands.
If you want a guru/ religion and to expend large amounts of money, this is for you:D
But I suspect your intuition has been telling you correctly 'run away!!!'
Love
Kath
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I thought this rang a bell from earlier in the year:
[link= http://www.healthypages.net/forum/fb.asp?m=299251 ]http://www.healthypages.net/forum/fb.asp?m=299251[/link]
Mixed responses in that earlier thread, it seems.
I have no personal experience of Deeksha though, so can't comment, but I guess you wanted to satisfy your curiosity, Azalia. 
Holistic
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Sounds like a big ol' scam to me! Stay well clear. [&:]
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Hi Azalia
Have you been to one world camp? I've been twice now and loved it. Hope you had fun.
On the whole deeksha thing. I'm really not sure either. I was 'given' the deeksha if thats the right phrase and it didn't really effect me much and am still very neutral about the whole thing.
I have done some reading since this though and would not want to get anymore involved.
Sx
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Kath23-thanks for those links. I did guess there was probably quite a bit of money involved in the transference of this energy- the speaker at the lecturementioned hehad been to India to meet the gurus several times and receive the energy from it's 'creators'. The blog you linked to in your post was reasonably lighthearted and certainly cast the money grabbing aspect in a very harsh light, but having an open mind here I guess the same could be said about Reiki. There's just as much cash changing hands, misdirectionandscams going on with many energy healers. I still don't like it though!
Holistic- thanks for the linkyou know me too well!
Sunbeam- Yup, I was at ONE WORLD:DDid you go this year? I had a fantastic time and will definately be going back next year.
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Hi Azalia
Earlier in the year I did look into going to India to do the 21 day process. You say that there are large amounts of money changing hands in Reiki, but I have never known anyone charge £3000.00 plus for a Reiki course!:D Maybe in Mrs Takatas time perhaps? Most Reiki healers / masters I know struggle to earn a living from Reiki alone and have to have 2nd jobs and or offer other therapies to make ends meet.
In the end I didn't do it. The thing that put me off was that it is taught that the only way to realise enlightenment is through divine grace (ie. through the receiving of deeksha). This didn't ring true with me at all and sent me running to the hills.
I have attended Deeksha meetings many times and have always enjoyed them. The energy when receiving deeksha is very powerful and to me feels similar to Reiki but somehow more intense. To be honest though, apart from enjoying the meetings, I have not noticed any particular benefits from receiving Deeksha. I do know other people who have.
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The thing that put me off was that it is taught that the only way to realise enlightenment is through divine grace (ie. through the receiving of deeksha). This didn't ring true with me at all and sent me running to the hills.
My sentiment exactly!
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Hi All,
I saw this thread on the Deeksha and thought I would respond. I was very highly recommended to attend the 21-day Deeksha retreat in India by an old friend who I had not heard from in a long time, but trusted very much. He claimed that after the retreat he was in a permanent state of enlightenment. He sent me info about the 21-day retreat and websites.
I must say after connecting to the energy I had a very strong energy for months preceding the class. My plans were to have a 21 day SKHM retreat in New Zealand, so I felt guided to experience Bhagavan and Amma’s retreat in India, it was expensive $5,000, but what they were offering, I knew it would be a good energy exchange. I also know the value of the financial support and giving. After doing the numbers for my own retreat I knew that I would also have to charge a similar amount; $250.00 a day is not unreasonable for a semi-private room meals and personal instruction by a well-known teacher.
I was told that this was not a Guru oriented event; even though Bhagavan was a well know Guru in India. What I was told is Bhagavan had discovered a way to pass the enlightenment process in a permanent way. This was of great interest to me, because this is what our SKHM class is about. In our 2-day class many people have had an enlightenment experiences that can change their life permanently. The only thing that was missing was they do come down from the peak experience, so Bhagavan was advertising that after the Deeksha people would remain in this state!
To make a long story short, what I found was Bhagavan and Amma, simply redefined what Enlightenment was for them, which is simply a peaceful state of being and being in the present moment. It was very simple and straight forward, just what I like : ).
During the 21-day retreat I did have this experience and it has affected the way I view enlightenment. I have had similar experiences in my own class and in my own personal retreats, so it was great to experience their format and the way they teach. I must say that one of the benefits that I had during the retreat, was what not to do in the one I facilitate.
Overall it was a very positive experience and I have integrated some aspects into my class. There are other aspects that I have not embraced.
The Deeksha is strongly connected to Bhagavan and Amma. Even though it is said it is not Guru orientated, it is. I was given their photo the first day and asked everyday to pray and worship them as Gods. Bhagavan and Amma claim to be Avatars of Enlightenment. I did not find this to be true at all. They are good teachers, but what they are doing is not much more advanced than a high level of Reiki. I do feel if anyone did a 21 day Reiki Retreat they would have a similar experience. I even asked them about Reiki and what I was told is Reiki is for Healing and the Deeksha is for Enlightenment, as we all know originally Reiki was for Enlightenment. What surprised me was the Deeksha empowerment was similar to our SKHM meditation, except instead of the focus being source, the Deeksha giver brings the light from Bhagavan and Amma.
Basically they just take a golden ball of light from B&A and then place it in the crown of the receiver.
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Thanks for that Patrick, it is very informative. It is very interesting to hear from someone who has undergone the process and can speak about it honestly without guru worship getting in the way.
Most people who talk about the process have nothing but gushing admiration and praise for amma and bhagavan, so it is good to hear a different point of view.
I understand that the process has become more and more impersonal over the years with all the teaching being done by monks taught by amma and bhagavan, rather than them personally.
They also say that the prices are so high so that they can fly in indiginous people from around the world and they can do the courses for free. They should realise that not all westerners are wealthy.
Incidentally, the person I was receiving Deeksha from has not realised enlightenment, he has been to the 21 day process as well as the deepening process and is still searching.
Donna.
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I have found an interesting link, it is not necessarily my view!
[DLMURL] http://www.freewebs.com/dikshainfo/possiblesideeffects.htm [/DLMURL]
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They also say that the prices are so high so that they can fly in indiginous people from around the world and they can do the courses for free. They should realise that not all westerners are wealthy.
In the guruphilia links I posted it is an ordinary Indian man, describing how he and others view the amount of money they parted with.
Love
Kath
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Ah yes Kath, sorry, must have missed that one. Well that must be another lie then eh?
Donna
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Hi Patrick,
Thanks very much for sharing your experiences, your post made for interesting reading.
It sounds as though youwere turned off by worshipping (the egos) of Bhagavan and Amma and didn't feel the experience lived up to claims.
I think it's interesting that A & B claim to 'pass on enlightenment' which they describe as-
a peaceful state of being and being in the present moment.
Do they reallythink that this state of being can't be attained by anyone else on earth but them? Because that's basically what they're saying.
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Do they reallythink that this state of being can't be attained by anyone else on earth but them? Because that's basically what they're saying.
They do acknowledge that there have been other enlightened beings, but Bhagavan’s claim is that he is the avatar of enlightenment. I did ask him specifically, that is it not possible for anyone to become an Avatar, his response was that there is only one President of the USA and there is only one Avatar of Enlightenment and it is him. I then asked him if I would become enlightened within the 21 days and his response was, Yes!
Well I must admit my life and work have gone through some major changes, but I do feel that was happening even before the Retreat. One of the things I found Bhagavan would do was to give what he called a Pala Deeksha, it is meant for prosperity. Basically you ask him for your dreams, then if it manifests, you pay him back a percentage. I thought this was a very slick way of manipulation. He was very proud of the example he gave.
One person was planning a business in the USA, but he suggested going to china, so his follower followed his advice and made out very well. Now he is paid a percent.
Currently his biggest project is a huge temple, this is where most of his funds go, the claim is that it is on an energy grid and once thousands of people begin to meditate there it will shift the whole world. He claims it will be the biggest temple in the world and will dwarf the Taj. I must give my architecture opinion of the structure, since I am an Architect. Money unfortunately cannot buy good taste, or enlightened Architecture,
I was more disappointed in the Temple than the class.
All Love
Patrick
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I must give my architecture opinion of the structure, since I am an Architect. Money unfortunately cannot buy good taste, or enlightened Architecture,
I was more disappointed in the Temple than the class.
Ooh, meoww:)
Love
Kath
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Hi Patrick
Yes we all have only onerectum as well, but they all function the same regardless of how muchpeople mightwant other people to revere them.
Unfortunately there seems to be a direct coloration between thehigher and more extortionate the fees becomethe bigger the ego has to grow to accommodate them.
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Yes we all have only onerectum as well, but they all function the same regardless of how muchpeople mightwant other people to revere them.
Unfortunately there seems to be a direct coloration between thehigher and more extortionate the fees becomethe bigger the ego has to grow to accommodate them.
A-greed! We all the ability to be an ass [:'(]or an avatar [8D]! In the state of oneness the may very well be the same:eek:.
All Love
Patrick
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I attended a deeksha giving class and I was quite open to trying it out but found that it had very little effect.
I think deeksha, like any cult/religion/system, has its roots based on something profoundly natural but has been distorted over time to suit individuals needs. The ideas of 'oneness' in any system are really based on deeper, sinister intentions of control.
Instilling ideas that we are all part of 'one' ultimate being or energy only serves to destroy our uniqueness and make it easier for others to manipulate. I hear of people trying to rid themselves of their ego, emotional states of being and general things which they do not understand and they are all too ready to give themselves up to a 'higher' state of being.
It is wrong! We are not all one being or one conciousness, we are all individuals. Any system that states we must become 'one' with things and no longer see ourselves as individual is crazy and dangerous. We are all individuals who share in the flow of this world, each person plays their own part and lives their own life based on their own choices. Some people prefer to absolve themselves from the responsibility of making choices, some of which may be difficult, by saying that it is divine grace or fate etc.
People need to realise their own power and potential and to use that in the way they see fit. Some may use it for material gain, others for spiritual gain but at no time does this stem from the traditional 'it must be ego talking' cop out.
People label others as saying 'it is from the ego' as a way to coerce them into becoming 'one' and following the herd into slavery, both physically and mentally.
Undoubtedly we can achieve alot when we work together but we all must remember that without individuals we would have nothing.
Oneness is bad.
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I think deeksha, like any cult/religion/system, has its roots based on something profoundly natural but has been distorted over time to suit individuals needs. The ideas of 'oneness' in any system are really based on deeper, sinister intentions of control.
Well said.
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Hi mrharper2u
IMO oneness is a purely spiritual concept, the energies speak of themselves as being one yet incalculable in their numbers, I don't think we can fully achieve union to this until we finish our journeys and are prepared to leave the physical behind.
I do agree that people are trying to use the spiritual concept of the oneto enslave peoples minds and in doing so hold power over them, unfortunately everything we learn is geared towards looking outward for insight and answers, it can take a while for people to realise we have everything we need deep inside ourselves.
Whilst we are here we do have to fully explore the physical as an individual and as you say see what we can achieve, we can do quite a lot butonce we start to work with spiritual things and I am not talking about religion or cults but dealing with the energies directly,then we are starting to move back towards experiencing the fullness of the oneness.
Yes as an individual it is often at first a frightening concept, but as we start to grow and develop spiritually then the concept takes on a new meaning and is no longer frightening or demeaning for we realise we are still us within the oneness, we don't loose it but we gain understanding from all the other beings who make up the spiritual consciousness of the oneness.
There are healing techniques around that do not use spirit as the driving force and yesthe practitionersdo generate and or develop the energy they use to heal, so yes they can quite rightly claim authorship over their work.
In spiritual things though, the ego steps in when we replace spirit with I, so spirit does the work and we claim the glory, spirit does the enlightening and we claim it as our own enlightenment, spirit supplies us with the energy we use to heal and we call it our own energy, spirit supplies us with a means of helping others to start or advance their spiritual journeys of rediscovery and we call it our own work.
Yes we as individuals might well be apart of the creative process that goes into creating these spiritual energy modalities, but can we really createthem without the help and guidance of the spiritual oneness, can we pass them on to others without this spiritual oneness, can we really connect and heal someone at the other side of the world without using the spiritual oneness? I have personally not come across one yet.
My own energy system certainly uses the spiritual oneness to work, had I not been prepared to work with the oneness of spirit then it would still be concept in my mind.
I got a deeksha psychosis
First I like to say I was banned for spamming and I'm sorry for that. Please don't ban me again, I'm sorry for my last post. I promise I won't spam again in any way.
I write here because I had a deeksha and it gave me a psychosis. Everything felt okay the day after but then I started to feelings that someone was controling me. It got worse and I ended up in a mental hospital. There I had to take 3 kinds of medicine. When I got out from the hospital I soon got suicide thoughts. I didn't want to live anymore. So I had to be hospitalized for a second time. Now 1 year later I feel better, but I'm still not fully recovered. I just want everyone to know what can happen when having a deeksha.
I have a homepage that talks about things around deeksha and the Oneness Movement, but I'm not sure if it's okay to post it here since I got banned for one post without no warning.
Love/ Dennis