Deeksha

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Hi Orion,

I'd never heard of this before, but here's some additional info:

IN ALMOST all the scriptural lore we come across, in one form or another, a term that stands for "initiation," i.e., introduction of a person into the principles of the inner science. The Muslims generally use the word "baet" for initiation, while others call it "deeksha." Among the Christians, the admission to the church is known as "baptism.'' The Hindus call it "duojanma" or the second birth.
This initiation or introduction into the tenets of a new science is not something formal or by word of mouth only. Its significance is far deeper than is generally understood. It is tantamount to adopting an individual into the very life and spirit of the tenets that are introduced to him in theory. It is conveying a Life-impulse to the initiate and giving him first-hand experience of the source of life. It thus has a two-fold aspect: theoretical as well as practical.

SOURCE:

[url]Oneness University UK[/url]

[DLMURL="http://www.ronroth.com/home/diksha.cfm"]Deeksha in the USA[/DLMURL]

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I have never heard of deeksha, had a look in several Reiki books and found nothing this is what i found on the net :

The Deeksha-Reiki Attunement - consists of three levels.
Level 1 - empowers a person to heal oneself or others by means of on hands technique or touch healing.
Level 2- Bestows upon the recipient the power to heal from any distance. It helps one transcend space and time.
Level 3- is the mastership which gives one the power to pass attunement to others.

Does'nt seem different form "other" attunements though except that they say that

Through Deeksha alone can one attain the power to draw Reiki from nature and channelise it to wherever necessary.

Thinkerbell

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yeah a friend of mine has been trying to convert me.....opps sry i mean ivite me along:D......so far hav'nt bothered as iam about as enlightened as i ever want to be thx very much......you dont need to get nailed to a cross to be crucified these days......as another enlightened individual found out...

deeksha sounds bit like reiki but without any real effort being put in by the seeker......IMHO you only get out what you put in.;)......and that dos'nt include sitting on ones bum having paid a master or whatever some money hoping he/she is gonna sort your life out.

Reminds me of those who trip out to see sai baba in the hope that some spiritual 'bling' is gonna rub off on them or something.......good luck !:D

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I have been attending Deeksha for three weeks now. Its Great!

We do a meditation and then the Deeksha giver comes round and places his hands on your head for about a minute. The first Deeksha is usually a healing Deeksha.

After this we have a bit of a dance around to distribute the enrgies throughout the body (which is good fun!).

Then we do a meditation called Chakra Dhyana which activates each Chakra in turn and awakens Kundalini energy. At the end of the meditation, we receive a 2nd Deeksa called the Mukhti (or enlightenment) Deeksha.

I really enjoy the sessions. When the Deeksha is being given, it feels like Reiki energy but feels mush more powerful and intense.

It is nothing to do with Reiki, that's why people can't find it in Reiki books.

It is an energy transfer by enlightened beings such as Sri Amma and Sri Bhagavan. They attune a Deeksha giver to pass the energy onto others. The Deeksha is said to work by facilitating a physical process in your brain (apparantly this is something that happens when a person is enlightened). By making this process in happen in your brain, the illusion of a false, seperated self is effectively turned off, and therefore a person can experience oneness with all that is.

Most people will require several Deekshas I believe. There is a 21 day enlightenment course in India where people can go to learn to be Deeksha givers, this is said to "fast forward" your enlightenment, however, you will not necessarily become enlightened right after taking the course.

I would recommend that people try it before they pass judgement! Some of the comments here display exactly the sort of ignorance that makes people scared of trying Reiki.

All the best.

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Hi Reikidonna,

This sounds very much like an experience I had when I met Mother Meera for Darshan in Germany.

This is also deeply moving and profound. Mother Meera touches the head and also looks into the eyes. This is done whilst prostrate at her feet.

The effect for me was like untangling a ball of wool in my brain. Looking into her eyes was like looking into the Universe.

I was seeing lights and having experiences of joy and bliss for days afterwards. Also felt like there was a hole in my brain afterwards!

A true teacher or avatar can help us develop in ways we may never have imagined.

Seeking a teacher is so important. Why reinvent the wheel?

Mother Meera'sDarshan costs nothing by the way. But you do have to go to her...and thousands do..from all over the world.

More info at
[link= http://home.arcor.de/maatrix/amma.html ]http://home.arcor.de/maatrix/amma.html[/link]

Cheers
Bryan

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Sounds fantastic Brian. I have heard of Mother Meera.

I must apologise for the last bit of my last post. I think it was my inner b***h coming out to play and I am sorry.

Donna.

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I just heard of diksha a few weeks ago. First I received a catalog for an upcoming mind/body/spirit expo in NYC that mentioned a couple named Freddy and Madeleine giving diksha during a 45 minute lecture. Then a friend sent out an email announcing that this same couple would be inNYC doing a 3 hour diksha, he has received seven. Lastly I got an email from a local yoga center in CT announcing that Freddy and Madeleine would also be giving a 3 hour diksha.

I'm skeptical. I agree with you Orion when you said "I don't have any knowledge about it so I might be wrong, but it seems to me a bit pretending to realize illumination without any effort and just by paying lots of money..." I also agree with you Wolfen about the Sai Baba thing or paying a master while you do nothing.

I've been hugged by Ammachi. I didn't feel an energy transfer. I've been given "energy transfers" by many people, they may not call it diksha and give it another name.

For me personally, by doing the spiritual work, I become enlightened. I've paid money to go to different people or different events where some sort of initiation or attunement is being offered and never really got much out of it.

You're lucky ReikiDonna. I wish I could experience what you have. I guess I'm dense and can't feel the energy.

This is the website of the Swedish couple who are giving diksha for $25 in my area:

[link= http://livinginjoy.com ]http://livinginjoy.com[/link]

I haven't decided if I'll go to any of their events. I'll probably end up checking out their free lecture at the expo and save myself some money.

By the way, according to David Hawkins, Sai Baba and Mother Meera do not rank very high on the consciousness scale. People who have a powerful experience in the presence of these so-called avatars are simply realizing their own power. I believe you can look into the eyes of some Joe Schmo and have an awakening or spend some time with a child who is living in joy and divine oneness and feel an energy transfer. I had a oneness awakening that lasted for several months. I didn't charge people $25. At that time, I simply would just BE.

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Hi

I found out about deeksha at 'one world camp' in the summer. I received deeksha - not sure if that is the right term. I was told it was like having a seed planted and that it would grow over time with no effort from me.

Receiving it was lovely. We received it fromthree different people while sat out in the middle of a field and then laid down afterwards.

It was lovely experience - very comforting but to be honest i haven't given it much thought since receiving it.

Sunbeamx

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Hi all

I know its an old post, but wanted to say i had deeksha enlightenmentlast night, and it was amazing!!
I am a reiki master and jin kei do, but this energy was something else.
I am aware the experiences vary from each person, and some not, but just wanted to put a to deeksha.

Today has been so unexplainable, Divine bliss i can only find to describe in my feeling.

But again, each person may vary and i hope maybe there are others may have had positive experiences from deeksha.

blessings

sacrel[sm=nature-smiley-008.gif]

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Hi,

I went to the 21 day retreat given by Bhagavan and Amma in India, Jan 2005. Over all it was a good experience, but I must say there are some aspects that I really do not agree with. I went to India with only the recommendation of an old friend who I have not met in 20 years. I was already planning on doing my own 21-day retreat so when I was told about the deeksha, it resonated with me and I went. I must say I learned more about what not to do at retreat. Ours was one of the first rather large groups and I must say the people India were not prepared to handle the large amount of people. The class was handledin avery un-professional way from the beginning. We were told that we would have a 2 room cabin for the 21 days, even saw them on the web. When we arrived we found that they changed their minds and put 18-25 people into dorm rooms. Keep in mind the cost of the retreat was $5,500. No mention of a rebate was even considered. When people asked for a receipt for their expenses they would only give a receipt for about $200! I do know of a few people that did finally get a receipt, but it took many threats. We were also promised to have personal interviews with Bhagavan and Amma, after we arrived we were told that Bhagavan would no longer give personal interviews, later I found that he did, but for an extra price., this was kept very quiet. When we went to Amma who lives about 3 hours away, we were also told that to see her individually it would cost about $100 for a walk by and $250 to ask a question, this was in addition to the $5,500 we paid that was supposed to include that, there was practically a riot when we were told this!. We were also told that we would have a personal guide throughout the retreat, this did not manifest until the last week. The retreat was done in silence so many did not feel comfortable to complain, but at the end of the retreat very few people were really that happy. In my dorm room of 20 only about 2-3 were really happy with the results of the retreat. Most of the disappointment came because Bhagavan made a promise of Instant enlightenment to most everyone who attended the retreat. Many people put up with the broken promises if in the end they would be in permanent state of Enlightenment. All they really did was redefine what enlightenment is.

I must say overall it was a good retreat, but my personal feeling is that if anyone did their own retreat they would have a similar experience, Bhagavan would not tell you this as he does take credit for any and all experiences people have. All Enlightenment is through Bhagavan as he is the Avatar of enlightenment of this Planet! This is the line the tell you.
It is not what they tell you before you go. I was told this was not a guru worshiping organization, wrong. The whole process is about Bhagavan and Amma being your God and Goddess. I know Bhagavan has changed some of this, but he basically was telling us in order to have enlightenment we have to leave our bodies and let the divine beings enter in, so basically many people who were there were simply taken over. Many of the long-term residents could hardly walk and eat on their own. We were told that they were in a deep state of Enlightenment, what I saw was almost brain dead people, who could not make any decision on their own without consulting Bhagavan, to me this was not enlightenment.

The Daily Deeksha during the whole 21 days was not that eventful, I have seen more people going into states of enlightenment in our 2-day workshops. I do know some people had some wonderful experiences; most were the ones who were bowing and praying to Bhagavan's photo, whic

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Hi all

Deeksha is very new to me, and have only recieved recently, but i sadly have been reading similar experiences to yours patrick.
I must say the experience of recieving was amazing, which can make you feel of wanting to attend the 21 day retreat, but the price!!!![:@]well !!,i wondered why i cannot seem to find no one in the uk who gives the initiation as Bhagavan and Amma.

Like reiki gives masters the process to attune others, the feeling of the initiation only to be given in india is a bit selfish ??, why not spread this to others if it will help.many cannot go to india!
But yes, i do hear of similar experiences as yours, but recieving was a lovley experience.

blessings to you
sacrel

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Money is not really the issue here. It is what was presented and not given for the price.

The Deeksha its self is quite an experince. I know many people who do give the deeksha at no cost. What Bhagavan does is convince everyone you have to go to India and get it only from him, if you wish to share it. Just like Firstlight said you can go to Mother Meera or Ammaji and get a similar experience at no Cost. I did notice that Freddy and Madeline are still teaching

[link= http://www.livinginjoy.com/ ]www.livinginjoy.com[/link]

Freddy was the one who was ostracized from the Oneness organization. A bit ironic, where is the oneness?

The basic deeksha process is quite easy to do; there is no secret. The way it is taught in India, you visualize Bhagavan and Amma and ask them for a golden ball of light, then you take the golden ball of light and place it in the crown of the person receiving the Deeksha.. The reason I was interested in this was I have been using a similar process for the last 20 years, but instead of asking Bhagavan I feel it coming from Source.

The deeksha process works and is quite powerful; the problem is it is not a direct connection to source. It basically makes a connection to Bhagavan. Many of the people who I spoke to in India said their first deeksha was their best; many were very disappointed once they went to India. There are also those who went to India and had their life changed completely. The basic of the deeksha is that it masks part of the primitive brain. Once this is done it is a really ecstatic experience, there is a very peaceful
Feeling that comes over you and the chatter in the mind seems to dissolve. I had this experience and then asked for it only to effect me if it was for my highest good. Suddenly the mask was removed. Once the mask is in place it does seem to affect a persons decision-making abilities and possibly other functions as well. After the mask was removed I was no longer able to trust Bhagavan or the process. The reason for my mistrust was verified by many of the actions that were taken against Freddy when his popularity began to rise in the USA; also, their lack of follow-up support. I would advise people to do a thorough search on the Internet, use the key words Bhagavan and Freddy. There should still be quite a bit of info remaining on the web. You can also check old versions of the websites with.
[link= http://www.archive.org/web/web.php ] http://www.archive.org/web/web.php [/link]

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Just like Firstlight said you can go to Mother Meera or Ammaji and get a similar experience at no Cost. I did notice that Freddy and Madeline are still teaching..etc..

Perhaps we need to have these experiences in order to realise we don't need to havethese experiences.

With the mind out of the way, there is no guru, no master, no one to seek "out there" to give us what the mind compels us to look for in its restlessness. No "energies", no "experiences", no "enlightenments". It is the mind which limits us. We are already all of these people and all of these things when we have no mind.

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Thank you for that info patrick,very interesting and explains a lot.
I also agree mith mr_firstlight...... we have to experience in order to realise we dont need these experiences.

Life is full of experiences,how then would one grow.and experiencing deekshais one on lifes path.

blessings
sacrel

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I also agree mith mr_firstlight...... we have to experience in order to realise we dont need these experiences.

Life is full of experiences,how then would one grow. and experiencing deeksha is one on lifes path .

I sometimes wonder if this growing thing isn't just another trick of the mind to keep us in "I'm just a limited being" mode. Perhaps negative growth is the key. ;)"Unless ye be as little Children etc"

The mind needs reasons to maintain its grip and apparent "existence", but beyond that, we exist anyway.

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I agree! Feeling you are one with the universe is an incredible experience that normally comes at a time when one has let go of all expectations, then when the experience comes the mind says oh yes I want more of that. Then comes the struggle to return to that state again and again. Once you start the struggle it becomes more difficult.

This is really at the foundation of what Bhagavan teaches in his retreat. His methods are quite good in helping one achieve the no mind state.

Your words are almost his exactly.

The problem I had with his program was once you enter in the no mind state, he then begins to fill it up again with him being at your core. A good example is you go back and heal your mother father issues, and then Bhagavan and Amma then they replace your father and mother.
What I have found with the no mind approach is most people who I have met are not very grounded into their bodies and they do not seem to have a heart. It is like their souls has already reconnected to the universe and left their body before its time, thus leaving a hollow shell. Since we have the ability to leave our bodies for many this is a conscious choice. I have found that many disciplines that deal with Full body channeling, ET walk-ins and Bhagavan all have this at the root of their teachings. Basically it is, get out of your body now so some higher more advance being can take you over. So basically what you have in India is people willing to let go of not only their chatty mind, but offering their body to be taken over by what Bhagavan calls higher spiritual beings.

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Oh one more thing I wanted to add.

About two-thirds through the program Bhagavan does what he calls a Phala Deeksha. This is a Deeksha that is programmed to have you manifest all your dreams. So lets say you ask for a new house or have your business be successful. Basically you set you attention on this write it down and ask for Bhagavan to manifest it for you. Sounds great! : ) so what is the catch. Along with your request you also have to make an agreement to show your gratitude. Bhagavan gave an example of how this is done. Say if you want your business to grow, you also make a commitment to pay Bhagavan a percentage of that growth that has occurred. Bhagavan gave us an example of how a man wanted to set up his business in the USA, Bhagavan then told him to go to China. From that simple advise the man is now obligated to pay Bhagavan a tithing of his earnings. Hmmm this some how sounds familiar.

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Your words are almost his exactly.

Gee..We are all one then?

The problem I had with his program was once you enter in the no mind state, he then begins to fill it up again with him being at your core. A good example is you go back and heal your mother father issues, and then Bhagavan and Amma then they replace your father and mother.

Hmmm...What healing? What issues? This is going back to mind stuff. It sounds more like spiritual materialism to me. I agree with being grounded. It's like taking drugs to take a short cut to the "mystical experience" There are no short cuts.
Many of us want the mystical experience and also want to stay the same. We don't want to change, we just want to know "answers" and to experience less "pain". Paradoxically, there is a certain "terror" involved in becoming "nothing" or "empty of self" so perhaps this "replacement therapy" ensures that we stay the same anyway.

There are those incarnate who can assist us in our soul's journey. The important thing is to do the work (whatever that means) and not expect our "guru" to do it for us. This is the important grounding factor. We alone are responsible and we should never give this power away to others. We either love unconditionally or not..and that includes ourselves for this "self" is in all beings and it is love.

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There are those incarnate who can assist us in our soul's journey. The important thing is to do the work (whatever that means) and not expect our "guru" to do it for us. This is the important grounding factor. We alone are responsible and we should never give this power away to others. We either love unconditionally or not..and that includes ourselves for this "self" is in all beings and it is love.

I Agree, One of the main foundations of the Deeksha retreat is that you do not have to do anything, Bhagavan will do it all for you. He states man cannot reach enlightenment by himself. He is the only enlightenment Avatar on the Planet.
I was even questioned him on this as it is my feeling we are all Avatars, his response was

Is George Bush the only President of the USA? Yes, and I am the only Enlightenment Avatar

What I experienced in India was a total power give away by most of the people who attended and the support staff. This is what is encouraged and is at the foundation of their teachings.

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He states man cannot reach enlightenment by himself. He is the only enlightenment Avatar on the Planet.

No one can give us what we already are. We may, for a number of incarnations, worship the "graven image" of the mind. Yet we are all made in the image of "God"

The guru's, master or teacher'srole is to help us, out of love and compassion towards realisation simply by being a living reminder of what we are capable of as reflections of divinity and to reflect this back to we, the aspirant. To "cash in" on the aspirant'squestis a betrayal of themself and the aspirant's self and a reflection of the 30 pieces of silver which is the temptation offered tothose close to enlightenment but not yetfully realised themselves. Everything comes from and belongs to the Creator spirit. We already own the world when realised and there is no need to claim a stake in it for the realised mind.

"Know that ye are all Gods, ye are all Children of the most High". Let us dwell on and remember this. We are responsible for our own realisation.

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The guru's, master or teacher'srole is to help us, out of love and compassion towards realisation simply by being a living reminder of what we are capable of as reflections of divinity and to reflect this back to we, the aspirant

This is why I did not feel a strong connection to the Oneness University and cannot give it my full reommendation.

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This is why I did not feel a strong connection to the Oneness University and cannot give it my full reommendation.

Looking at the web sites, I tend to agree with you Patrick. However, perhaps you and I are not in the same "marketplace".:)

In time perhaps, graduates from this "University" will make their own way in the world after valuable experiences. As my teacher often says, "there are no mistakes, there are only experiences"and "there's no such thing as negative energy, there is only energy you have not yet learned how to deal with."

Dealing with the "enlightenment" energy is something we are all knowingly or unknowingly learning. Why else would we be here?

Bless

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I would like to say that my previous positive comments have changed. In the an attempt not to cause any ripples, I will not say what they have changed to. But they are pretty much the opposite of my original view posted on the first page of this thread.

My views have changed not because of the actions of people associated with the Deeksha movement, simply as a result of my own personal realisations about it which have arised around 12 months after the experience.

Donna

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Donna,

Thanks so much for sharing what you have. I do encourage you not to be concerned about causing ripples.
It is important to share your experience.

All Love

Patrick

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yes iam all for speaking out as well......if we did'nt we would never know what really goes on in theseflaky organisations, looking back at my first post thinking hell that was a bit vitriolic of me based mostly on gut feeling but reading of patricks experiences i think i'll leave it as it is.