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If anyone is interested, I do have some research on bioelectromagnetic fields and how they work and can be used in healing. It is not about reiki, however, but it does illustrate what I am trying to say about how I use reiki on physical conditions.

I would have to send it as an email attachment though, unless you don't mind a very long email!

Mr H

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Hi Mr H

We are entitled to our own beliefs, it is all down to choices at the end of the day:-)

Hi Donna

I am sure the energy BEings who helped Usui create and maintain his energy systems appreciate your sentiments

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Paul, will you never learn? If you had researched about Usui you would know that he gained the knowledge of the reiki system through a moment of enlightenment, a brilliant insight into all he had learnt (and more) about healing up to that point in his life.

He did not gain the knowledge of reiki through guides, angels, devas, spirits, being a Christian professor, chakras or any other new age system.

He got it through his own studies and determination.

Yes we are entitled to our own beliefs but to state something as fact when there is no basis for it in truth, this is not acceptable. This is the exact thing that I have taken issue with you for Paul.

Please have a little consideration for those of us who have researched and practice Usui reiki beyond the typical Western approach.

Mr H

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Hi Mr H

I have researched Reiki but as always what I found was a different understanding to what you have.

To my understanding Usui spent quite a lot of his life searching for answers, he had already exhausted the religious, self developmentand healing practices available to him at that time, he then looked beyond what his mind/physical understandingcould show him and received spiritual enlightenment, once he had received his spiritual enlightenment he could then heal in a way he had not previously been able to.

That was the creation of what is better known as Usui Teate but it has not really got a name,this his first systemdoes not use attunements and symbols to heal but relies more on personal spiritual development.

Later at the bequest of the emperor he produced a system that would work for people without them having to become spiritually conscious/aware,and that iswhat is termed as Reiki.

Now as you can see we have both possibly read the same material but how we interpret that material will depend largely on our experiences, others might well interpret them differently, now you can take issue with my understanding if you like but that will not make your interpretation of what youperceive any more real than mine.

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With regard to my last post about the energy guides and to tie in with your reply, where have you got the information that Usui had energy guides and that they helped him create and maintain reiki?

I realise that there is limited information on Usui and how reiki was developed but I am afraid that energy guides do not come into the equation. People may perceive energy/spirit guides or angels etc but this is nothing to do with what Usui developed. Other people have added to the system over the years, depending on their teachings and beliefs.

The most important points in this debate are the welfare of the person you are healing and the accuracy of the teachings. That is my main concern when I have been posting on here because too many people have been taught reiki incorrectly and as a result do not have the correct methods to heal a person. This may be partly why some do not see that there are times when giving reiki (for physical conditions) will heal a person to such an extent that they no longer need medication. Therefore the medication could cause harm to the person.

When someone does have the correct methods to heal with reads posts such as 'there are no contra-indications', they have the potential to cause harm to their client as they will not correlate that the improvement in the condition will affect medication levels. This is unsafe, so please be aware of that.

Mr H

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Hi Holistic

You asked how we know there are no contraindication to energy healing work and that is a good question which deserves an answer.

In order to do thisI am going to explain some of the mechanics of healing as I understand them, I have said before that I do not have all of the answers but I do have some

The only rule of energy healing is we do not override someone's free will, this means that with the best intention in the world we cannot force someone to be healed if they chose not to be.

So let us apply that rule to a healing scenario, someone comes to us for healing of theireyes, they sit in our treatment chair or lie on our couch to receive the healing with their glasses on, are they ready to be healed?

No they are not ready to be healed.If they where they would have removed their glasses and be expecting to see better at the end of the treatment than they could before they come to seeus.

If afterwe have completed the healing they still continue to wear their glasses then it is very unlikely that the healing will manifest asprimarily they have exercised their free wills and chosen not to accepted the healing.

It is the same with all conditions, ifsomeone expects to be healed from something thenthey are ready to make whatever adjustments are necessary in your life to facilitate that healing, if the person is not prepared to adjust in whatever way is required be it, medication, lifestyle, physical aids or medication then the healing will fail.

So that is why I state there are no contra-indications as it is not the nature of healing to cause anyone any harm, it will fail before it can cause any harm to the recipient on any level.

I hope that clarifies my position a little better to Mr H as well

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Hi Paul, it is interesting that you use an example of healing the eyes and the wearing of glasses.
I can follow the logic that the person is still expecting to have to wear them so they are not expecting to be healed (or accept the healing as you state). If this is correct, you are saying that the condition is psychosomatic in its origin and by the client removing their glasses they are in effect removing any obstacle to them becoming healed.

The principal of psychosomatic conditions are more based on Western psychology rather than on Usui reiki and while the two may share many similarities (such as emotional conditions manifesting as physical illness) the treatment of the condition is totally different.

Usui reiki works whether the person removes the glasses or not, indeed whether they believe in it or not. This is my experience. In the example of the client who had a trapped nerve in the hip, before booking the second session the client admitted that before the first treatment they had not believed that it was going to work and expected nothing. Then when the condition got better, the client booked again as they could see that it worked.

This is a prime example of how other western techniques from other areas have been woven into Usui reiki.

Also I will refer you back to an earlier post in which I stated that you judge your clients (which I believe affects the healing you give), which you denied. I may not have made clear what the judgement was, but an example of what I mean can be found in your last post.

The example you give in your post is exactly the theme I was referring to. In the example, you are making the judgement that the client is not ready to accept the healing by the wearing of their glasses. You then judge that the healing will not manifest if they continue to wear glasses after you have finished the treatment.

Bearing in mind how important intention is when giving healing, and using your logic that if you expect something you are ready for it (“ifsomeone expects to be healed from something thenthey are ready to make whatever adjustments are necessary in your life to facilitate that healing”), the healing will not manifest because you do not expect it to due to you believing that they need to remove their glasses before they can be healed.

On the topic of contra-indications, you have not answered the question why there would be no contra-indications other than ‘it is not the nature of healing to cause anyone any harm, it will fail before it can cause any harm to the recipient on any level.'

You state that ‘ifsomeone expects to be healed from something thenthey are ready to make whatever adjustments are necessary in your life to facilitate that healing’ which indicates that you accept that they need to make some adjustments when they have been healed and this would include adjusting the medication they are on for the condition you have treated them for.

Therefore, it stands to reason, from your own logic, that as they accepted the healing and the condition was improving they would also need to reduce their medication to take account of this.

Let’s say that they accept the healing on all levels and the condition is healed in one session. They would no longer need to take any medication they were receiving for the condition.

Assuming that neither you nor the client knows it is healed and you have not mentioned any possible contra-indications, if the client then proceeded to take their medication for some unknown reason, the medication would have an impact on their body that was potentially harmful (depending on the medication and condition).

Another example would be if you healed the condition by 50%. Again, the client fully accepts the healing. If they then go home and take the full dose of their medication because they haven’t been made aware of contra-indications, this would have an impact on the body too.

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Hi Darren

What I wassaying was if the person received the healing (which to my understanding happens instantly on an energy level) then did something that would cause them serious harm if it was to manifest in the physical (which to my understanding can take a few days or even weeks to happen) as in taking medication which would have a serious effect on their health due to the fact that they would no longer need it,then the healing would simply fail and not manifest into the physical.

There are safety restrictions built into most healing modalities to stop people abusing them and causing harm to others, but not all of the energy modalities are benign and some can work both ways.

Reiki is one of the modalities which is totally benign, you cannot harm someone with it if you tried, so as it says in the manual 'Just for today do not worry'

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What I wassaying was if the person received the healing (which to my understanding happens instantly on an energy level) then did something that would cause them serious harm if it was to manifest in the physical (which to my understanding can take a few days or even weeks to happen) as in taking medication which would have a serious effect on their health due to the fact that they would no longer need it,then the healing would simply fail and not manifest into the physical

I think you are under some misapprehension about Reiki Healing. When you use energy at the lower frequency range (i.e. for physical healing) the effects are immediate on the physical body - NOT days or weeks later. This is something I have seen on many hundreds of occaisions.

Reiki is one of the modalities which is totally benign, you cannot harm someone with it if you tried, so as it says in the manual 'Just for today do not worry'

Another mis-apprehension about Reiki. Reiki is NOT benign nor is it passive. You CAN do harm with Reiki energy as you can with any energy if you misuse it. I do not know from where or what form of Reiki you have learned, but from what you are saying, it bears no relation to Usui Reiki at all. What your are saying shows such a lack of understanding of Reiki I wonder if you actually have studied Reiki.

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"What I wassaying was if the person received the healing (which to my understanding happens instantly on an energy level) then did something that would cause them serious harm if it was to manifest in the physical (which to my understanding can take a few days or even weeks to happen) as in taking medication which would have a serious effect on their health due to the fact that they would no longer need it,then the healing would simply fail and not manifest into the physical"

Paul, having re-read your previous post, you do not mention this at all. You state that the client has to accept the healing or it will fail, but nothing about it failing due to an adverse effect on health due to medication etc.

There are no safety restrictions in-built in healing modalities - that is just a cop out by those who are not willing to take responsibility for the use of reiki and the effect it has on the client. That is why as reiki practitioners we have to be disciplined in ourselves and be healthy on all levels in order to use reiki to heal and benefit people for the greatest good.

This is what some reiki 'masters' teach as reiki because this is how they have had it presented to them. True reiki masters are ones that have, through experience and hard work have mastered the art of healing with reiki, know how to use it and accept the responsibility that comes with this.

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Well said Omega! I am glad that there are practitioners out there who understand how reiki truly works and have first-hand experiences of the power reiki has to heal.

For too long people have spread reiki as some kind of passive 'relaxation' therapy and have totally missed the true, limitless potential of reiki, which is why some people see reiki as 'flakey'.

Good on you Omega and keep on spreading the truth. Those who seek the real knowledge of reiki will pick up on it.

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Since you both stateyou can override peoples free wills and cause themactual harm utilising the Reiki energy healing modality then please prove it, after all it would be quite simple with the way you say youcan manipulate the energy to givea few people heart attacks and then heal them of it, post up yourresultsand then we will know for certain one way or another wont we

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Paul, neither of us, as far as I can see, have made such a claim as to override an individuals free will nor have we stated that we would cause harm. The reference to reiki causing harm is that someone could use it to cause harm in the same way I use it to heal. It is an energy and will be used as applied by the person using it.

Take electricity for example. It is an energy and can be applied for good (lighting etc) or it can be applied for harm (the electric chair). The principle is the same for any energy.

I would never use reiki to cause anyone harm as this offends my entire principals of being a healer. It is not up to me to prove reiki will cause harm as it is not my intent to use it in this way nor would I ever ask anyone to do so.

As such, I myself cannot prove that reiki causes harm. I can refer to some non-reiki research that has been based on negative intentions which goes to show the impact of thoughts upon a subject (indeed we can feel when someone doesn't like us or has negative intentions towards us).

Do not take this as a cop out though as it is unfair of you to ask me to do such a thing and you knew I would refuse. I can prove that reiki works to heal and this is enough for me to know that it can cause harm.

As for the free will part of your post, I cannot speak for Omega but in my point of view and experience when a person asks for healing and comes to you for healing what they are clearly saying is 'I want to be healed'. In your terms, this is the equivalent of what I would take to mean they accept the healing. That is the basis that I work on when healing - someone asks for healing, they receive healing. You are not overriding any free will because the person you are healing has, of their own free will, sought you out to heal them and already used their free will in this decision.

I do not wish to become engaged in a battle of wills with you Paul and I have already spent a lot of time on this subject with you. In the end, I do not think it will reach a conclusion because our beliefs are different about reiki.

All I can say is that I shall continue to share the knowledge of Usui reiki and my experiences of it where people have asked for assistance. My views may not be popular, but that is not my concern.

Darren

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Hi Darren,

Actually I think your views may prove very popular. It's refreshing to hear from a fellow Usui Reiki practioner ~ someone who is trying to remain true to traditional Usui practices.

Of course, none of us have all the answers, but so long as those of us who do practice Usui Reiki, continue to converse and exchange experiences in forums such as this, we will learn from each other and may well be able to encourage others to look again at Traditional Usui Reiki.

As for those who do not practice Reiki ~ who have perhaps decided to follow another path ~ well for them I'm sure that's valid ~ but it would perhaps be a good idea to remember that this is a Reiki forum !!

Meridianmoon xx

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Hi meridianmoon, thank you for your support, it is refreshing to hear from people who also share the same passion about Usui reiki and its traditions.

I do look forward to learning about your experiences and those of others too as where I live, there are no traditional practitioners that I can speak to (indeed they are hard to find on the web too!).

Like you say, none of us know all the answers but we can share our experiences in the pursuit of them to expand our own knowledge.

I look forward to hearing your views and experiences too. I am sure we will have many to share.

Darren

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Hi Mr H

Benign means it is harmless, now you are claiming that Reiki is not harmless and the only way Reiki can cause harm to another is to override their free will.

This need substantiating as it is thought patterns like this which is going to make regulations make Reiki not only benign but almost useless.

So my challenge stands, you say you want to run tests to prove how effective your way of working is, then run this one, if you can do what you are stating then you can override my free will to stay healthy and give me a heart attack and then heal me, since the energy is supposed to do anythingyou tell it to, then there is no issue with ethics etc as you will repair and damage you might cause, you have my permission totry this experiment.

This issue is black and white,Reiki is either totally safeor it is dangerous and needs regulating to control its use.

I am sure most Reiki practitioners whoaccording to your postsdo not understand the nature of Reiki will await the outcome of this experiment with baited breath.

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This need substantiating as it is thought patterns like this which is going to make regulations make Reiki not only benign but almost useless.

The upcoming Reiki regulations are being put in place to primarily protect the public from poorly trained Reiki practitioners that have little understanding of what they are doing. There is nothing to fear from the regulations! All that is going to happen is there will be guidelines on how to work with clients and to try to ensure uniform standards of practice and teaching.
There are so many therapies now called Reiki, with some having no connection to Usui-sensei's teachings at all, that there needs to be some clarification of what can be called Reiki. This is something that has been done by the RRWG.

So my challenge stands, you say you want to run tests to prove how effective your way of working is, then run this one, if you can do what you are stating then you can override my free will to stay healthy and give me a heart attack and then heal me, since the energy is supposed to do anythingyou tell it to, then there is no issue with ethics etc as you will repair and damage you might cause, you have my permission totry this experimen

I'm sorry but this is quite simply just childish. Do you really want someone to try to give you a heart attack? Do you think any ethical Reiki practtioner will do this? You really do take everything we say out of context and twist it into something totally different. Perhaps you should try to understand what we are saying before ridiculing it and dismissing it out of hand.

The only study I am interested in doing is in using Reiki in a clinical environment to treat patients with clinical conditions and demonstrating to the medical profession the amazing healing effects of Reiki on ANY condition whether it is physical or emotional. And by the way, when I say Reiki I mean Usui Reiki, not any of the other more modern/passive forms that do not treat conditions directly. Whether you can understand it or not, Usui Reiki DOES treat any condition directly and has an immediate and positive affect on any condition - this has been demonstrated over and over by myself and by my students. Usui Reiki is an active form of healing- it is NOT a passive form of healing.

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Hi Omega1

If Ihad anydoubts thatReiki was not entirely safe I would not have proposed this, now since I am convinced beyond any shadow of a doubt that Reiki is entirely safe to use in any situation and not cause anyone any harm whatsoever, I belive I am onto a safe bet.

But you seem to be convinced that it is actually dangerous, so let us proceed with this simple experiment and see if you can substantiate your claim that Reiki is harmful, to do this you will have to override the restriction placed onReiki to do no harm.

As you state you can work directly on my physical body with immediate effects by manipulating the energy, so I am awaiting for you to prove this and actively alter the cells of my heart and cause me to have a heart attack and then heal it for me, that should be a small and relatively easy thing for you to achieve if you can do what you claim.

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I think there should be a test of Active versus Passive Reiki as this would definatively prove that Active Reiki is far more effective at treatingconditions. Anyone who has learned Reiki 1 elsewhere and then learns level 2with me has always preferred the Active Reiki I teach becausequite simply it works! I have seen too manypeople have drastic improvements with Active Reiki to even consider using Reiki passively. I have taught nurses and other medical professionals Active Reiki and they are now using it in hospices. They find the Reiki that is generally practised flaky, ineffective and unsuitable for use in a medical environment or with patients with any kind of medical condition.

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Hi Kashikoi

The question is not a matter of if Reiki is active or passive, it is a question if it is dangerous and requires contra-indications or it is safe and does not, and that is what we are attempting to establish once and for all.

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As you state you can work directly on my physical body with immediate effects by manipulating the energy, so I am awaiting for you to prove this and actively alter the cells of my heart and cause me to have a heart attack and then heal it for me, that should be a small and relatively easy thing for you to achieve if you can do what you claim.

I'm sorry Paul, but it would be ethicallyimpossible for me to purposefully cause harm to anyone using my Reiki healing ability.
The proof of Reiki contraindications is through the healing effects of Reiki. You do not believe Reiki can heal any physical condition directly, so therefore there can be no contraindications with prescribed medication. I have seen physical improvement in a wide range of conditions on a large number of clients immediately after a Reiki treatment and therefore I do believe there can be contraindicationswith prescribed medication. I will be more than happy to demonstrate this in your presence - you find a client with a physical condition which is repairable and I will treat them infront of you and you can see the improvement yourself. This is a much more positive solution rather than me trying to give you a heart attack. Don't you think?

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Quite simply

Reiki is energy. As Reiki healers, we channel the energy. Rather than just being a "straw" as some people put it, we direct the energy to work on what it needs to work on in the most effective way.

Yes certain unethical people, if they wanted to, could cause harm with Reiki, if they chose to channel and direct the energy to this end. This is not to say that they should do so just to satisfy someone's curiosity. Paul, I agree that if you are using Reiki in a passive way then no, there are probably no contraindications. With active healing though, there definitely are.

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Anyone got any input to add to the Reiki and Cancer debate...pop over there would be most interested for input from some of the people who have had input on this thread

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If Reiki was able to generate ean electric current then it would be easy to make a Reiki machine...

ORIGINAL: Reiki Evolution

Sadly, some have already marketed these things... Snake oil for the vulnerable [:'(]

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I wanted to, once again, reassure all you newbees that there are not any contraindications to reiki -
how can something be contr-indicated if it is for your highest healing good?

Whether our earthly, personal issues are equal to our highest good is a different story - one not to be questioned here.

I do worry about people giving reiki and fearing contraindications, like they can control the energy flow, make things happen.Can I just remind them, it is not themproviding the healing it is the reiki, you are just a channel for this wonderful energy.

Paul, Taggart are right, listen to them guys!

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Hi Paul and my apologies for the late reply here.

ORIGINAL: Paul Crick

Hi Holistic

You asked how we know there are no contraindication to energy healing work and that is a good question which deserves an answer.

Thank you for your answer. Perhaps as we've moved on somewhat, I won't labour the analogy of the glasses, but in answer to:

The only rule of energy healing is we do not override someone's free will, this means that with the best intention in the world we cannot force someone to be healed if they chose not to be.

I'd agree, but I'dalso add the rider that sometimes people THINK they want to be healed, but have an unconscious desire not to be! I've seen it happen, when a woman asked for healing at a spiritual meeting but as the healer said afterwards "I think she just wanted a hug". Meanwhile the friend I'd taken along and who was sitting near the healing went all blissed out on the fallout LOL Sorry, I digress.

I originally asked a two-pronged sort of question, admittedly a while ago:

1. For those who say there are areas where Reiki is contra-indicated:

How do youKNOW this to be true?

2. For those who say there are NO contra-indications:

How do youKNOW this to be true?

mrharper2U (Mr H)gave an honestanswer IMHO:

It may interest people to know that my partner and I are currently in the process of planning clinical trials that can be used to show how effective reiki really is and thus would 'prove' the existence of contra-indications.

Until we have those results, I cannot provide any other proof other than what I have witnessed.

He refers to proof. I wonder if ... without getting too much into semantics ... I used the wrong word in "know". If "know" can be taken to mean "belief" or "having learned", then would the word "proof" be better, I wonder?

And can those who advocate healing methods that appear to make others "wrong" also provide some sort of proof? IIRC, we've asked before, and not received an answer.

ORIGINAL: Paul Crick

Hi Kashikoi

The question is not a matter of if Reiki is active or passive, it is a question if it is dangerous and requires contra-indications or it is safe and does not, and that is what we are attempting to establish once and for all.

Will we, and can we, though, establish once and for all? Not, I would think, until trials are undertaken under proper scientific conditions and the results published. Or, as I believe you suggested, people provide some sort of substantiation for their claims. If you didn't suggest that, my apologies, and I will ... again

Holistic

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Hi Holistic

That was what I was trying to put across, they come with their head full of I want to get better and are prepared to pay a healer but their higher self which takes priority in energy matters exercises its free will and says no,it will not allow the healing to manifest until they have learned why they become ill in the first place or possibly for some other reason.

There is another well known saying which goes something like just because we canheal something does not mean we should always do it, some things are meant to be the way they are for a good reason.

I appreciate that this concept is my own understanding and will not sit right with everyone but I have experienced this on several occasions.

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There is another well known saying which goes something like just because we canheal something does not mean we should always do it, some things are meant to be the way they are for a good reason.

That is a scary statement for a healer to make!
We should always try to heal anyone that comes to us, that is the whole point of being a healer. If in trying our best, we do not acheive a cure or improvement, then and only then do we accept that it is not in the client's path to be cured.

What would you feel if you went to your doctor and they said they could cure your cancer but decided not to because they believed there was a good reason for you having cancer?

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ORIGINAL: Paul Crick

There is another well known saying which goes something like just because we can heal something does not mean we should always do it, some things are meant to be the way they are for a good reason.

Oh yes, I'd certainly agree with you, Paul, that this can sometimes be the case. It depends on the circumstances.

A friend once asked me to send Reiki to her brother who was in hospital going through a heroin detox. Of course, I agreed. However, I got a very strong "not yet" ... until late the following night when it felt like the right time to do so. Later feedback fromhis sister was that at midnight, the nurses noticed he'd quietened down for the first time in a week and was sleeping peacefully. Co-incidence?

Someone else later told me that Reiki any earlier would have interferred with his natural process. My view in the light of the presentdiscussion is that had I insisted I had the right to send, and done so earlier, I'd seriously run the risk of arrogance and an inflated ego!

Holistic

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A friend once asked me to send Reiki to her brother who was in hospital going through a heroin detox

I tend to teach my students that it is wrong to send distant healing to anyone without their explicit permission. I personally feel it is an intrusion into someone's life and path to send them healing without their permission. It is also essential in my view to interview every one you are treating before you treat them to determine what their condition(s) (clinical or otherwise) is (are) and to treat them accordingly.

My view in the light of the presentdiscussion is that had I insisted I had the right to send, and done so earlier, I'd seriously run the risk of arrogance and an inflated ego!

I don't think anyone here is advocating you or any therapist has the right to send healing to anyone without their permission. I think you have misunderstood my point. It is not about forcing healing on anyone, BUT it is when you are treating someone, treat their presenting symptoms and the underlying causes.