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Hi, I'm doing Reiki Masters course in December & recently read a book which made some statements which I think are sensationalist (if there's such a word). Would anyone care to comment on the following? (I'm paraphrasing by the way):
1. People with diabetes must take care using/receiving Reiki as it can cause fluctuations in insulin levels
2. Reiki should not be sent by distant healing to people in an operating theatre or recovering from an anaesthetic as it changes levels of conciousness.
3. People with Pacemakers which permanently regulate the heartbeat should not receive Reiki whereas those with pacemakers which regulate the heart if it dips below a certain level can do so(!!!)
I am intrigued! [sm=jump1.gif].

Would love to hear anyone's thoughts

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Somerset Angel
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RE: Contra Indications

My husband had a op today and I sent reiki before during and after the op and he is fine. He said it all went smoothly not is any pain and is at home demanding attention [8D]

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RE: Contra Indications

Awwww!, bless his little cotton socks lol! Give him a kiss on the nose from me (gently) and tell him Reiki is on the way from Essex too ( for when you are worn out with caring for him!!).

Love and light

reikiangel

xxx

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Thank you he says Oh good. Is it a contra indication that he feels so good I am having to be tough with him and make him rest LOL !!!!:D

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RE: Contra Indications

ORIGINAL: ChristinaM

Absolutely agree with you Rosi,
All Reiki contraindications are false. What is one of the first things we learn about Reiki? That it is safe at all times and then some say, safe but....? Makes no sense.
As for diabetes Reikiangel...all insulin dependent diabetics check their insulin at least once a day....a lot of diabetes in my family! So don't worry at all about blood sugar levels.

Reiki without fear....it is intelligent and works hand in hand with the body, not against it.

Love and light,
Christina

My mum is diabetic and does not (bad girl!) so I do think it is something that should be explained to the client fully so then they can be responsible.

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RE: Contra Indications

Just to confirm what Taggart said. I have arthritis in my knee and during Reiki treatments, be them self treating or being treated by another, the pain in my knee is excrutiating!!!!

I was told about the usual contra-indications when doing Reiki 1 and 2 but after reading round and using Reiki, I refuse to believe there are any and give Reiki to anyone - anytime, anyplace, anywhere - or to coin a phrase (I think it's Pauls ;)) Martini Reiki! 🙂

I too have old knee injury (but not broken) and this is so painful when I give reiki treatments, I dont really swallow the realigning thing but I do know that often when I feel alot of energy in a place and I speak to the client after, at first they cant think why but as soon as I ask about old injuries then it all fits into place for them!

Poppet, reassuring what you put above, I did Reiki 1 and was told 'Reiki can do no harm' then after Reiki 2 I found that some of what my RM said did not quite resonate so started to look round on my own and found all these contraindications (as mentioned above) and am slowly begining to wonder if any are true now.

I wanted to ask about epilepsy as contraindication too, I recently treated someone who had a brain tumour many moons ago and did have epilepsy then but not anymore, Reiki was just fine although I did give from a little distance as I sensed it may have been too much close up (at the end she did say when I started it was too painful in her head but when I backed off it became pleasant and warm).

haha love the martini bit, may have to be my new mantra [sm=1syellow1.gif]lol

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RE: Contra Indications

Absolutely agree with you Rosi,
All Reiki contraindications are false. What is one of the first things we learn about Reiki? That it is safe at all times and then some say, safe but....? Makes no sense.
As for diabetes Reikiangel...all insulin dependent diabetics check their insulin at least once a day....a lot of diabetes in my family! So don't worry at all about blood sugar levels.

Reiki without fear....it is intelligent and works hand in hand with the body, not against it.

The first things people learn about Reiki seem to be wrong from what I have heard.

Just because your family check their insulin levels regularly you can not then vouch for every diabetic in the world. There are many who do not do so.

Reiki does what you tell it do when healing. Reiki may work hand in hand with the body but if someone is taking medication then their is an external factor that needs to be considered to prevent any risk to the client. I cannot believe that so many Reiki practitioners would dare to put their client's health and even lives at risk. It's appalling.

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RE: Contra Indications

Hi Kashikoi

Western Reiki is a pre-programmed modality, it has safetyrestraints built into it to make it idiot proof and safe, if you seriously believe you can harm someone with the type of energy healing you perform then I would seriously encourage you to stopusingit.

All energyhealing works on an energy level and not a physical one, the physical effects are a side effect of the energy work on an energy level, since all things can be healed, it follows that you cannot have any contra indications, you can't have it both ways.

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RE: Contra Indications

Paul Crick, as you say all things can be healed so if you think about it logically, when you improve a diabetics insulin function through reiki they could be at risk of an overdose of insulin if not regulated. Same as any other type of regulating drug.

To say there are no contra indications involved in relation to reiki is irresponsible. Not only are you putting your client at risk, you are putting yourself at risk of a negligence claim because I presume you don't tell the client to monitor their drug intake therefore they would have every right to sue you if they overdosed and was ill as a result.

I urge everyone to consider these factors when treating with reiki, because it is down to poor quality teaching that these myths about no contra-indications have been allowed to survive.

A point to remember is that in Usui's day, there were not many drugs available as are now and as such there would have been none or few contra-indications. In modern times people are using drugs that interact with the body's ability to function correctly and as healers we must take that into account when treating a client.

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RE: Contra Indications

I am also intrigued about those who are treating diabetic people with reiki. If you are healing them for their diabeties, have you not seen an improvement in their condition? I would expect to see a huge improvement in their condition after only a few treatments personally.

Which begs the question - if you have seen an improvement in the condition, then surely this is evidence of a contra-indication as they could overdose on insulin as the condition improves.

Could someone share their experiences with improvements in diabeties and treatment lengths etc and what they found with the insulin levels?

Like someone mentioned about stopping the watch, when your frequency is high enough, and when giving reiki at certain frequencies, you can seriously interfere with electronic items and as such a pacemaker should be treat with caution at very least. Are those of you who have treat people with pacemakers using any symbols at all? I would be interested to know your results and treatment method if you would like to share this with me.

Thanks

Mr H

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RE: Contra Indications

Hi Mr H


As an energy healer I do not treat any physical conditions at all, all of my energy work occurs on an energy level, I heal the energy matrix. It is after all up to the healee to create their own physical reality not the healer, they decide which dysfunctions they want in their physical reality and it is up to them to remove them not the healer.

Since we are not trained and qualified to diagnose medical dysfunctionsor toprescribe or alterdrugs we cannot professionally advise people to alter their medication as that is outside of the remit of a healer and quite possibly illegal as well as being veryunprofessional and dangerous.

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RE: Contra Indications

Hi Paul, I understand about not being qualified to diagnose/alter medication and this is not something I even suggest to clients. I do advise them to see their doctor and monitor their medication if they are taking any that would suggest a contra-indication to me.

I understand that if you are not working on the physical body then you may not have to worry about medication based contra-indications, with the exception being the pacemaker.

Bearing that you do not work upon the physical body Paul, I compel you not to say that there are no contra-indications as this is misleading to those that do work upon the physical body. Please bear that in mind for any future debate.

I am not sure about what you mean about healing the energy matrix and not healing physical conditions though. Even the physical body is made up of energy that can be healed just as any other aspect of our being can.

I am trained in Japanese reiki and treat the physical, mental, emotional and spiritual levels of being. They are all interconnected and if one is out of balance, then so will the rest although the person experiencing the conditions may only be aware of a physical/emotional symptom of an imbalance.

If some one comes to me to have a physical condition treated then this is a sign that they are ready to have something healed and therefore I will heal that for them. Are you saying that if someone came to you for a cancer treatment that you would turn them away saying 'You decided to have cancer so you can get rid of it'?

So please make it crystal clear exactly what you do work on and why you would say such things as your previous post was very misleading as it indicated that you worked on physical conditions.

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Hi mrharper2u

Yes I am also trained in Japanese Reiki as well as quite a few different modalities, but the only way I could treat a physical dysfunction would be to employ transmutation, but since I have not mastered the art ofchanging of one element into another yet, then there is little that I can do on a physical level.

Saying that the physical is being created and maintained by the energy matrix, so anything that occurs in the physical/mental emotional must first manifest in the persons energy matrix/spirit.

If someone came to me with cancer and knowing that it is illegalfor anyone but a Dr to treat cancer in the UK. I would explain that I can only treat any dysfunctions I find in the energy matrix, or rather we can only treat any dysfunction we find in the energy matrix.

Healing is firstly co-created by the healer and the healees consciousness, so together wecleanse, balance, heal and energise the energy matrix, we will then discuss anything that becomes evident during the energy healing session, problems found in the energy matrix, emphatic and intuitive insights about lifestyles, relationships and jobs etc which might need addressing.

I then explain that they have to take responsibility for their own existence and that includes their own health issues and what they wish to include in their own existence.

I wouldfurther explain how they now have to take the healing that has happened on an energy level and decide how, if at all they wish to create/manifest thatinto their physical reality, anything can be healed but it is up to the individual to decide what, when and how much they choose to heal if at all.

They can choose for themselves, they might well chose to move on from the physical back to their spiritual existence and end their physical existence now. They might also choose to explore what was revealed during the energy healing session and apply it,this will then open up the wayfor the physical changes required to allow the healing to come through onto the physical level. They might choose to ignore any insight received and the healing will not come through onto the physical and the energy matrix will again go out of balance, which with somethinglike cancer will probably end their physical realitysooner rather than later.

Whatever theychoose to do is ultimately right for them, as a healer I only open up the possibilities for healing to take place, it is entirely up to them if they choose to make use of them. I would finish by offering them an energy attunement so they can if they choose look after themselves and that is as far as my involvement goes.

Pacemakers as well as mechanical joints etc. do not impair energy healing and are not a contra-indication to energy healing work, ifwe where to channel physical energy instead of creative spiritual energy then it might well be a different ball game.

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RE: Contra Indications

Paul, I am seriously asking you now not to post/speak of misleading information here or anywhere else. It is not illegal for anyone but a doctor to treat cancer whatsoever, you are mistaken. It is against the law to offer a cure for cancer or advertise a cure for cancer but it is not illegal to treat it.

As for the contra-indications, I think you have missed my point that when treating with reiki to heal the physical body, caution must be used in the treatment of certain conditions where an improvement in the condition could cause an overdose of medication and lead to harmful effects.

You still do not acknowledge that there are some contra-indications for treating the physical body because you do not work on it. Others do Paul and use reiki to heal the physical body and must be aware that these contra-indications can occur.

If you insist on stating that there are no contra-indications, please state it in a way that makes it clear that you do not heal the physical body, therefore, in your opinion, there are no contra-indications. Stating anything other than this is inappropriate. It is the equivalent of only being able to wire a plug correctly and then advising someone how to wire a house up safely, it is dangerous.

You are a moderator and should take greater care when presenting such information as people could be mislead by your information.

As for someone taking resposibility for their health, this is exactly what they are doing when coming to me for a healing session. It may be the first step towards recovery for many people just as someone else may go to the doctor if feeling unwell.

I find that when people come for a treatment they are ready to be healed. Then I heal them. I do not give them a lecture, I do not judge them. I give them what they need to be restored back to health.

This is how I understand Usui envisioned the use of reiki, to heal people of any condition and to develop themselves, and as such, this is what I will do.

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Hi mrharper2u

I always thought it was illegal to offer treatment for cancer if you where not a Dr but I could be wrong.

So I have explained how I treat people on an energy level, so could you be so kind as to explain how you would treat me on a physical level if I came to you with say lung cancer, how would you detect it, how would you physically altermy cancerous cells to make them non-cancerousand heal me, how would you know which cells are cancerous and which aren't?

Let us be very clear on this point, I do not judge anyone who comes for healing, Isimply explain the mechanics of healing so they can if they choose get the most out of it.

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RE: Contra Indications

The usual method I use for detection is the scanning technique known as byosen reikan ho or byosen scanning. Other times I scan the body using my mind and 'see' where the illness is. What I feel for when using byosen scanning is a change in the body's electromagnetic field. This may present itself in many ways but always indicates the site of an injury/condition. I never diagnose or even suggest an illness to a client, even if I have a strong sense of what it is.

When I locate the site of injury, in this case the tumours in the lungs, I would use the choku rei to focus the energy to a level that can be used on the physical body for healing and direct the energy into the cancerous cells. I would then use my intention to focus my thoughts into returning the cancerous cells back to health. This has the effect of directing the energy into what I want the result to be.

I would also use a visualisation to assist in the healing, again to direct the energy into the result needed. I would visualise the cancerous cells as a black mass of cells and as I direct the energy into those cells, I would visualise the cells diminishing in number. I would visualise the energy as flowing into the black cells and turning them white, for example.

I continue directing the energy into the to tumour, using intention and visualisation too, until I felt it had healed or until the session ended. I would then use the same method on subsequent sessions until the tumour had gone.

What I meant about judging your client is the fact that after the session you proceed to tell them that it is up to them as to whether they accept the healing or not. The very fact they have come to you for a healing session is because they want to be healed so they have already accepted that fact. You have judged that they have not yet accepted that they want to be healed.

What you are saying is the equivalent of someone going to into a pub, asking the landlord for a pint and the landlord duly pulls a pint for them, which the person pays for, but before giving the pint to them, the landlord has a chat about how it is up to them whether they accept the pint or not. I cannot imagine in that situation someone turning around and saying 'you know what, I don't really want the pint'.

I know my tone may sound quite harsh Paul but these are the very facts that put alot of people off 'alternative' therapies. They come to be healed and to be told such things as it is up to you to heal yourself makes people not trust these therapies.

I know that many therapies use techniques such as this to empower the client to take responsibility for themselves, but if they wanted to do this, they would seek out an empowerment class or something. If they come to you for the healing of a certain condition, then this is what you should do.

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Hi mrharper2u

Byosen scanning where you take you hands of the body and move them through the energy matrix seeking problems, when you find these problems, and then you channel the energy into the problems until you feel them dissipate or balance.

That is basic energy scanning of the energy matrix which you perceive as an electromagnetic field, that is our energy bodies where out higher consciousness resideswhich is maintaining the physical, to those that can see this they perceive it in bands of colour and see the imbalances as blockages, discoloration, tears etc and then balance them or fill them with white light to heal them.

Now that regardless of what it says in your manualis all done on an energy level, you heal using pre-programmed energy symbols which automatically work on an energy level.

At the end of the day the only people we can truly heal is ourselves, this is because we can scan ourselves, heal our ownenergy matrix and decide how we choose to manifest the healing into the physical, but I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one as I perceive energy healing things spiritually and you appear to perceiveenergy healing thingsphysically and the two are worlds apart 🙂

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RE: Contra Indications

I think Mr Harper is saying that healing takes place on all levels, the physical, mental, emotional and spiritual, rather than just the physical as you state. He did say that healing can take place on the physical level and indeed we know this from our many personal experiences.

He is not saying as you seem to have interpreted that healing cannot take place on other levels also. Rather that the levels are interconnected and that healing can take place on them all rather than just the spiritual as you have stated.

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Hi Reikidonna

Please read Mr Harpers last post on how he would treat lung cancer, spirit did not come into the equation at all, he sees energy healing work as a physical therapy working through the electromagnetic field! now I understand that we don't always see things the same wayand some people are not ready to embrace spiritual awareness.

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RE: Contra Indications

Paul, with regard to your reply to reikidonna about physical/spiritual therapy distinction, it seems you have jumped the gun a little and judged how I operate.

You asked me how I would treat lung cancer, specifically the physical cancerous cells. Due to the physical nature of the actual cells, it is necessary to use an energy range that can be used on the physical body. In this case, I use choku rei as this symbol enables me as a reiki practitioner to 'bring down' the higher frequency rei (or spiritual energy if you prefer) to within a range that is used to heal the physical body.

My understanding is that the physical, emotional and spiritual levels of our being are all interconnected and part of each other with our spiritual aspect being the highest part in terms of the frequency of the energy and the physical being 'lower' in terms of being a slower vibration of energy.

This is why in order to treat the physical condition quicker and more effectively I use the choku rei because if you simply used the higher frequency rei energy it would take a long time, if ever, to heal a physical condition as the physical body does not operate at anywhere near the same frequency as the spiritual aspect of our being.

This is why some reiki practitioners do not have good results when attempting to heal a purely physical condition as they are not using the most effective range of energy.

The physical body undisputedly generates an electromagnetic field (also known as bio-field) and for physical conditions, this is what I scan to establish the location of the injury. Once located, I then proceed to stimulate the EM field of the condition with the range of energy found within the choku rei to heal the physical condition.

If the condition was of a spiritual or emotional nature, I would scan the energy field or aura (the energy matrix that you refer to) to locate the condition and then proceed to heal with the relevant energy at that location.

To clarify, I do work on the spiritual and emotional levels too using rei energy and the range of energy found within the sei he ki respectively. Depending on the nature of the condition, I would use the relevant energy to heal on that level. A spiritual condition requires rei energy. An emotional or mental condition requires energy from within the sei he ki range of energy.

I strongly refute your inference that I am not ready to embrace spiritual awareness as awareness of the spirt is as important as awareness of your physical, mental and emotional self. The key is to have a balance between all your levels of being. This is the state known as harmony.

I work to have this balance in my being because if I was too spiritual for example, I may have difficulty in communicating effectively on the physical realm. If I was too physical, I would have difficulty in helping people with spiritual problems. Reiki as a development path teaches us to acheive this balance so we can acheive the state of being in harmony with ourselves initially and then with all that is.

And to cap this post off, the symbols are not 'pre-programmed which automatically work on an energy level'. If that was the case, we could give our clients a picture of the symbols and say 'look at these for an hour or so and you will be healed'. It is the structure of the symbol and the jumon of the symbol (with the exception being rei which has no symbol) which allows us to access the energy range it contains. It is then up to us as healers to direct that energy into the condition, using our intention and visualisation in order to restore health.

This is why it is important as a reiki healer to keep your physical being as healthy as possible and your state of mind pure as possible too. This is the point of self healing, hatsu rei ho and living the reiki ideals - to develop yourself to the point where you are as balanced and in harmony as possible, perfect health. The closer we are to this state of being the more effective we are as healers.

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RE: Contra Indications

This is a general reply, not specifically to Mr H, but I have to click somewhere! 😀

One of my very first posts, on joining HP some 2½ years ago, was right here in the Reiki forum, and I asked about contra-indications. The replies then were pretty much evenly divided between those who specified where to exercise caution, and those who said there are none.

There have been other threads since, again pretty much 50/50, and I also see the same disparity of opinion on external sites on the net, both then and now.

Now I have two questions ... one for each "side":

1. For those who say there are areas where Reiki is contra-indicated:

How do youKNOW this to be true?


2. For those who say there are NO contra-indications:

How do youKNOW this to be true?

I look forward to the replies - hopefully there will be some;) - and, without wishing to be rude to anyone who has posted previously, withmore "evidence"than anecdotal accounts of individual treatments.

Holistic

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I will start by saying that my understanding of a contra-indication is a situation where the use of reiki (in my case) will improve the condition of an illness so that the use of regular medication will pose a risk to the clients health. In the case of diabetes this would be an overdose in insulin.

How I know that there are contra-indications is through my experience in healing people. When someone has fulled healed from a condition I have been treating them for, they would no longer need the medication as their body is functioning correctly.

For example, if I heal the pancreas of a client who was insulin dependent and they continue to take the insulin even as the pancreas is healing, this would mean they have too much insulin in there body which will create a detrimental effect on their health.

Same with other regulatory medications.

It may interest people to know that my partner and I are currently in the process of planning clinical trials that can be used to show how effective reiki really is and thus would 'prove' the existence of contra-indications.

Until we have those results, I cannot provide any other proof other than what I have witnessed.

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It may interest people to know that my partner and I are currently in the process of planning clinical trials that can be used to show how effective reiki really is and thus would 'prove' the existence of contra-indications.

Very interesting indeed! How long will we have to wait for the results? 😀

I did have some links to sites concerning Reiki research, and also IIRC some previous posts on the subject. I'll see if I can find all that and post again.

Holistic

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Hi Holistic, thanks for your interest. It is quite an exciting prospect for us as it gives us a chance to provide conclusive evidence of the effectiveness of reiki. The results will be available next year, all being well. We will make sure that HP is one of the first to know too!

If you have some links to other research this would be great reading for me.

Thank you

Mr H

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RE: Contra Indications

Hi Mr H

I have been meditating and consulting with the energies over the way youdescribe you are utilising Reiki, I do this becauseI realise that Ido not have all of the answers and I am open to exploringdifferent ways of working energetically.

Now what I have received is a definite no, there are not any energy healing modalities around that can convert spiritual energy into physical energy that can be used directly on the metal, emotional or physical body, putting spiritual energy through theCKR symbol does not alter it as that is not its purpose.

Yes you can train yourself to detect physical dysfunctions but notthrough the electromagnetic field that the body generates, medical intuitives do this all the time using the energy matrix.

Can I suggest that you have a chat with your energy guides and seek clarification on these points.

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RE: Contra Indications

ORIGINAL: mrharper2u

Hi Holistic, thanks for your interest. It is quite an exciting prospect for us as it gives us a chance to provide conclusive evidence of the effectiveness of reiki. The results will be available next year, all being well. We will make sure that HP is one of the first to know too!

If you have some links to other research this would be great reading for me.

Thank you

Mr H

I couldn't find the one I'd had in mind, but this thread may be of interest ... there's quite a lot in there about regulation as well. I'll send you a PM with a bit of background that might perhaps be off-topic here.

[link= http://www.healthypages.net/forum/tm.asp?m=198834&mpage=1&key=research ] http://www.healthypages.net/forum/tm.asp?m=198834&mpage=1&key=research [/link]

Also, of course, you'll find quite a lot if you google Reiki Research.

Holistic

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RE: Contra Indications

Hi Paul, There may be some confusion over the terminology we are using. Could you clarify what the energy matrix consists of for me. To me, our entire being is made up of different frequencies, or vibrations, of energy. Our physical body creates an electromagnetic field around itself (and indeed every cell generates one) due to the electrical impulses that are within the cells and body.

What is the electromagnetic field, and indeed the body, if it is not energy? Our entire physical body is made up of energy in the form of cells which are energy particles (electrons, neutrons and protons) that can be sensed by our physical senses (which are made up of energy), hence we can see, touch, smell and taste this energy because our senses are tuned to detect this range of frequencies.

The emotional and mental body create a different kind of field (still pure energy though) which is not readily visible to our 5 senses but can be sensed nonetheless by our emotional body which has senses of it's own, hence we can sense tensions, love, anger etc because these emotions are energy too.

Higher still we have our spirit or soul 'body' which creates yet a different kind of field again with senses too. This is how we 'know' when we are touched by a spiritual moment or are having a spiritual experience. All of these bodies are made up of energy and are interconnected, so what you refer to as the energy matrix must encapsulate the physical body too due to the reasons I have stated above.

For the sake of clarity, what I name as spiritual energy is the ultimate source of energy available. People call this energy by different names and understand it in different ways though.

As for the claim that there are no modalities that can convert spiritual energy into physical energy. consider this. When we, in our physical bodies as humans, have a spiritual moment, how can our physical brain interpret this into a meaningful experience? I know that words cannot appropriately describe spiritual experiences, nor should we rationalise our experience, but when we have had a spiritual experience we know in our own minds and in our bodies that we have had one. This would surely not be possible without some communication between the spiritual being and the physical being. This is the same with the use of the symbols, as I use them and in accordance with my teachings.

Another point to consider is that we are not just fully spiritual beings. We have a physical and emotional/mental body too which needs looking after if we are to be healthy. Treating our spirit for conditions with spiritual energy is fine and is a blissful experience, but we need to heal the body and mind too, which is why Usui used the symbols. It is a treatment for the entire being.

I can only comment from my experiences though Paul and I regularly use the choku rei to treat physical conditions and the sei he ki to treat mental and emotional conditions and the results I get are always what is intended by the correct use of this energy. For example, my partner and I recently treat a client for a trapped nerve and the resulting pain. We treat the client with a choku rei and the pain was gone. The client came for a second treatment where we used a sei he ki to remove the emotional cause of the trapped nerve, which was uncovered in the intial consultation. If we had used rei energy alone, she would still be suffering from it.

I think that because you have had different teachings and are using a different method of healing other than Usui reiki, you are applying your understanding of other healing systems to Usui reiki. Correct me if I am wrong though, it is just the way it appears to me.

As for energy guides, I do not have any nor feel the need to use such a thing. I am guided by intuition and through myself. The information we need is readily available when we tune into it, although sometimes we may interpret it incorrectly or do not accept it as the truth

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RE: Contra Indications

Thanks Holistic. I will have read of the thread with interest.

I have found research relating to reiki on the web which I find interesting too.

I look forward to your PM.

Mr H

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RE: Contra Indications

Hi Mr H

My question was very specific as to can we use the spiritual energy that we utilise in energy healing to directly treat anything on a physical level including mental, emotional and physical which would include the physically generated emf.

However whenI asked can we treat anything on a physical level indirectly then I get a resounding yes.

Everyone hasat least one energy guide as well asour ownhigher conscious self,most of the energy modalities are looked after by helpful guides whohelp us to achieve our goals and learn.

It took me a while to learn this but one way of learning if an energymodality is right for us or not is simply to call in the energy guides of that system and ask them directly.

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RE: Contra Indications

Hi Paul, I cannot progress any futher with this dialogue we have been having as it is clear we both believe different things about healing and how this occurs and while I do respect your beliefs, I must listen to my experience too.

In your belief system you have energy guides, I have intuition and myself (the higher self, if you like). I believe that they could be the same things although perceived in different ways according to what we believe as individuals.

The belief system of energy guides and angels etc is not a part of the traditional Usui system, which is what I am concerned with as a teacher and practitioner. I have no problem with energy guides as long as it is clear that they are not part of traditional Usui reiki.

It is the same with the integration of the Indian chakra system into reiki. This is not part of Usui reiki as the Japanese system is based on the meridians and the tanden (and head and heart points).

What I am trying to tell people is that when talking of reiki as the Usui system, they must be clear on what it actually is as so much has been added and taken away as a result of other peoples' beliefs, that what many people learn is nothing like Usui reiki.

Thank you for your posts though, they have been quite thought provoking for me.

Mr H

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RE: Contra Indications

While I do not wish to become embroiled in this pointless debate, I do take exception to the statement "everyone has at least one energy guide".

This is not the case. I work with Reiki without guides, as do many people I know. This is of course unless you mean one's intuition. Intuition is the only guide I have ever been aware of / used / or needed.

I just wanted to point this out as you seemed to be speaking on behalf of every body when clearly you cannot do so as you have not had the experiences of every other person who uses Reiki.

Respectfully
Donna

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