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Could somebody pls tell me if accupunture helps with a prolapse? thankyou ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

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Reiki Pixie
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Hi DW

Yes there are acu-points and theory in acupuncture that relate to prolapses. Also some acupuncturists have trained in Qigong (a form of standing up yoga-ish) that would show you exercises reinforce the treatment.

Best to find a traditionally trained acupuncturist, rather than a physio or doctor that has only done a short weekend training course.

Hope that is useful.

Best wishes

RP

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Ok thankyou very much. I have been hearing alot about accupunture for prolapse and it relates to the spleen??? I will look into this. thankyou xx

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Hi DW

In Chinese medicine the Spleen is just a term that associates a number of bodily processes, which in this case the Spleen Qi is responsible for holding Energy (Qi) and Blood in place. If the Spleen Qi isn't holding then there is the potential for organ prolapse.

Not to be confused with the anatomical spleen from a Western science point of view (whose functions are also including in the Chinese medicine point of view as well).

I'll try and think of a better way to explain it.

Best wishes

RP

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Ahhh haaa i see what you mean i thought you meant the actual spleen. Have you ever treated anybody for this problem?? Unfortunately i wont know anything untill october when i see a gynourologist. I am scared they will leave me to it and wont do anything. I am not in pain but i dont feel right in my bladder area. When i go to the loo i feel like i still need to go and have a senastion in the bladder area. i am very aware of it. i thought i had a urine infection and had two tests both of which came back normal. The doctor said it was most likely where i have the prolapse and the bladder has moved down and is being pushed on by other organs. i really hope they can help me with this and dont fob me off with some rubbish like my gp did :rolleyes: xxx

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Hi DW

I haven't treated someone with that particular problem. It's best to have a consultation with a acupuncturist, as a comprehensive consultation process needs to be taken. Considering that you sound slightly anxious, ask the acupuncturist if they specialise and experienced in urinary/gyneological issues.

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RP

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The Chinese had little to go on when devising their ideas of internal anatomy and organ function, and so based many of their medical hypotheses on observation and refined the ideas over a couple of thousand years.

The body can be seen as a kind of "black box" in which various inter-related functions take place. Now, these functions mainly concern the assimilation of Qi energy from an external source, such as food and air, and convert the vital part of these into a form of energy that can be used for metabolic processes. If you think of a central heating boiler, it has to convert air and fuel into heat, and then circulate that heat to the house. The Chinese organ system works is a similar way; the Lungs extract Qi from air, the Heart combines it with Blood and circulates it; the fuel comes from the food we eat, and this is the role of the Spleen.

When we take in food, the Stomach has to heat it till the useful Qi separates from the less useful "dregs"; as this is a heating process, the Chinese view very cold foods and drink as pathogenic, slowing down digestion and leading to problems. Now, once the food is up to temperature, it's considered that the Spleen is the Organ that separates the useful Qi and transports it to the Heart where it combines with Air Qi to form Blood.

So, if the function of the Spleen is diminished, the muscles are not nourished by Blood, leading to poor muscle tone and general flabbiness. The Spleen is attributed with a "holding" function, in that it "lifts" the Organs, keeping them in their natural place; in addition it keeps Blood in the Vessels.

The upshot is that if the Spleen function is diminished, there might be things like a pale, flabby tongue, pale because Spleen fails to engender Blood, and flabby as the muscle are not nourished. In addition, there might be loose stools, as failure to fully transform food leads to excessive fluid in the body. There may be a sense of heaviness in the arms and legs as the muscles are easily tired. One may be easily bruised, as the Spleen fails to "hold" Blood in the Vessels. There may well be a desire for sweet foods, as the body is looking for an energy hit, as the foodstuffs are failing to nourish the tissues. There may be excessive sleepiness after eating, as the digestion is weakened, and diverts energy from elsewhere.

The prolapse then, stems from this weakened function. Poor assimilation of food fails to nourish the muscles, which loose tone and fail to hold the Organs in place. So then, what weakens digestion?

  • Overthinking
  • Excessive worrying
  • Failure to recover energy after childbirth
  • Cold foods and drinks, especially when mixed with warming foods
  • Dairy foods
  • Bloodloss

There, I hope that helps. The students at the university where I teach get a bit puzzled between Eastern and Western ideas of the body, and the difference between form and function, but there is a fuzzy logic to these ideas based in observation of very real people and situations.

My Chinese sifu used to say - "western medicine is based on DEAD bodied, ours is based on living ones!"

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My Chinese sifu used to say - "western medicine is based on DEAD bodied, ours is based on living ones!"

Love it! ๐Ÿ˜‰

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As a Qi Gong Practitioner and Acupuncturist i would definately recommend Qi Gong for long term prevention and treatment. We use specific breathing techniques to life the Huiying point and can be used to help with prolapses.

Baihui point on the top of the head is classical for any prolapse in the body so tapping around the crown of your head a regular intervals will help. Try to picture an internal line from your crown to the lower area of complaint and imagine it being lifted up toward the crown, breathe naturally! then after a few minutes relax your mind and body and concentrate on the area two inches below your navel.

Next relax you breathing and on every in breath lift the perinium ( between the genital and anus) hold for 4 seconds and relax. Very similar to kiegal techniques for strengthening the pelvic floor muscles following child birth.

A good teacher or Acupuncturist will be able to assist you

Good Luck!

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Acupuncture for prolapse

Hi Dollywasher
I'm very glad you're considering acupuncture for prolapse. It certainly does work to draw up the energy and raise the prolapse.

Make sure you go to the British Acupuncture Council's website to find your nearest registered acupuncturist - then you can rest assured that they are properly qualified and adhere to the strict professional codes.

Let us know how you get/got on!

Best wishes
Kate Winstanley

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Somebody is banging on their drum again :p

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In Chinese medicine, prolapses are primarily viewed as being related to sinking spleen qi. In Japanese theory, this concept is expressed in slightly different ways, ultimately as being related to weak immunity as well as kidney qi deficiency. Acupuncture is effective in prolapses cure.

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In Chinese medicine, prolapses are primarily viewed as being related to sinking spleen qi. In Japanese theory, this concept is expressed in slightly different ways, ultimately as being related to weak immunity as well as kidney qi deficiency. Acupuncture is effective in prolapses cure.

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The Chinese had little to go on when devising their ideas of internal anatomy and organ function, and so based many of their medical hypotheses on observation and refined the ideas over a couple of thousand years.

The body can be seen as a kind of "black box" in which various inter-related functions take place. Now, these functions mainly concern the assimilation of Qi energy from an external source, such as food and air, and convert the vital part of these into a form of energy that can be used for metabolic processes. If you think of a central heating boiler, it has to convert air and fuel into heat, and then circulate that heat to the house. The Chinese organ system works is a similar way; the Lungs extract Qi from air, the Heart combines it with Blood and circulates it; the fuel comes from the food we eat, and this is the role of the Spleen.

When we take in food, the Stomach has to heat it till the useful Qi separates from the less useful "dregs"; as this is a heating process, the Chinese view very cold foods and drink as pathogenic, slowing down digestion and leading to problems. Now, once the food is up to temperature, it's considered that the Spleen is the Organ that separates the useful Qi and transports it to the Heart where it combines with Air Qi to form Blood.

So, if the function of the Spleen is diminished, the muscles are not nourished by Blood, leading to poor muscle tone and general flabbiness. The Spleen is attributed with a "holding" function, in that it "lifts" the Organs, keeping them in their natural place; in addition it keeps Blood in the Vessels.

The upshot is that if the Spleen function is diminished, there might be things like a pale, flabby tongue, pale because Spleen fails to engender Blood, and flabby as the muscle are not nourished. In addition, there might be loose stools, as failure to fully transform food leads to excessive fluid in the body. There may be a sense of heaviness in the arms and legs as the muscles are easily tired. One may be easily bruised, as the Spleen fails to "hold" Blood in the Vessels. There may well be a desire for sweet foods, as the body is looking for an energy hit, as the foodstuffs are failing to nourish the tissues. There may be excessive sleepiness after eating, as the digestion is weakened, and diverts energy from elsewhere.

The prolapse then, stems from this weakened function. Poor assimilation of food fails to nourish the muscles, which loose tone and fail to hold the Organs in place. So then, what weakens digestion?

  • Overthinking
  • Excessive worrying
  • Failure to recover energy after childbirth
  • Cold foods and drinks, especially when mixed with warming foods
  • Dairy foods
  • Bloodloss

There, I hope that helps. The students at the university where I teach get a bit puzzled between Eastern and Western ideas of the body, and the difference between form and function, but there is a fuzzy logic to these ideas based in observation of very real people and situations.

My Chinese sifu used to say - "western medicine is based on DEAD bodied, ours is based on living ones!"

Actually the Qing Dynasty physician Wang Qing Ren, based his theories on the observation of the dead bodies of people who had died of plague. But Wang Qing Ren is relatively late in the history of Chinese Medicine, so other than that is probably a fair statement. But it is important to note that dissection of humans was also forbidden in western medicine until the Renaissance.

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Make sure you go to the British Acupuncture Council's website to find your nearest registered acupuncturist - then you can rest assured that they are properly qualified and adhere to the strict professional codes.

:rolleyes:

I must stress to anyone seeking acupuncture (excuse the capitalisation)

A REGISTERED MEMBER OF THE BRISTICH ACUPUNCTURE COUNCIL DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE A GOOD PRACTITIONER!

What is does mean is that they have reached a standard of training set out by the BAC or attended a BAC 'Approved' course.

There are many other regulatory bodies for acupuncturists in the Uk. The BAC has the largest amount of members purely because they govern the college courses.

BAC also seem to always shout about being members too ๐Ÿ™‚

You could be missing out on a good practitioner if you just limit yourself to a BAC search.

The title 'BRITISH' and 'COUNCIL' does make it sound very authourative, but they are in no way linked to the Department of Health, NHS of the British Government. The only existing body that is closely related to the government is the CNHC.

A good practitioner will[LIST=1]

  • Be recommended
  • Have UK Insurance Cover ( you must have sufficient training in order to obtain insurance in the first place)
  • Have professional experience (a practitioner with a few years experience will be better than a newly qualified student no matter how or where they have trained)
  • Make you feel comfortable and at ease (not all patients and practitioners gel together find one that you are happy with and comfortable. Sometimes this is more effective than the treatment itself.)
  • It is also a common occurrence for some to only visit 'Chinese' practitioners as some believe that they 'must' be good. Unfortunately as the current regulation allow's ANYONE to practice acupuncture many have taken advantage of this over the years by opening high street chains and duping people into expensive and lengthy treatment. Fortunately many of these shop have closed.

    DANGERS TO WATCH OUT FOR....

    99% of poor acupuncture practice is performed by your GP, Physiotherapist or Chiropractor! Due to there 'training' they are deemed fit to be able to insert needles into the human body after only days of training. In comparison to the 3-5 years for a traditional acupuncturist. SO BE SAFE.

    TREATMENT.

    Acupuncture is a very good system but not the be all and end all. A patient is usually treated with acupuncture and herbs, or Tui Na Massage. They are then often prescribed Qigong movements to help with the rehabilitation and onward health care.

    In many cases acupuncture is not enough and this is where the 'idealistic' practice of Chinese medicine in this country fails as many are only trained in one part of the Chinese medical system.

    My advice to anyone seeking treatment of any kind is ask around, a good practitioners name will pop up more than once.

    Your safety and recovery is the ,most important thing above all else.

    A good practitioner will 'cure' the symptoms, a GREAT practitioner will prevent then form happening in the first place. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    GOOD LUCK

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