RE: What is the difference between a prophet and a medium?

Dear Vonski

ORIGINAL: Vonski

Hello Kim!

The annunciation is usually in private hence why Jesus tells people to pray alone and why he spent so much time alone with GOD.

*However, The holy spirit decendend upon Jesus in front of John the baptist and all his disciples.(and whomever else was around).
* Moments before he was betrayed, he asked God to pass the cup. This communication was witnessed on his request by his disciples (although they fell asleep through the most of it).

That is very true and Mother Mary did appear before me when others were there and spoke to me. However, over a year later she came again with the annunciation and the calling for the mission when I was alone.

The same with Jesus when the holy spirit descended was it not confirmation to Jesus and John and not an instruction as such? I view the annunciation as a calling, an instruction of what one is called for and to do. On titles I was given a new one last night which is fabulous I will PM you. It seems as usual spirit are watching this thread very closely and responding accordingly. LOL!

being love

Kim xx

RE: What is the difference between a prophet and a medium?

ORIGINAL: venetian

ORIGINAL: Vonski

That's to a certain degree my opinion. However, many a medium claims to work with masters, Jesus, Angels etc. If they are genuine, how would you call this?

That's an important question and there have been at least several threads on it.

I go back to original sources as to me they are the most trustworthy. Nobody had even heard of the Masters until Theosophy and the Mahatma Letters, along with all the physical visits the Masters made to many disciples in the late 1800s. At that time the real and authentic Masters, when they came into public view for the first time, stated clearly and without doubt that they never communicate through mediums (or, also, what today are called 'channels'). They wrote on this and explained it at length in Their Letters to disciples. They explained that such mediums or channels who think they are in touch with Masters are in a state of illusion, and they clearly explained that it's usually a kind of split-brain phenomenon. The 'master' supposedly communicating is in those cases a part of their own subconscious.

They stated that Masters don't speak through mediums, period.

V

Well Venetian we have been around the houses with this one so many times now!

This philosopy from Theosophy comes basically from one organisation.

In the last 40 years I have honestly never met a Christian Church Medium that has not worked with Jesus Christ. In fact it was while I was with one of these mediums that I saw the foot of Jesus for the very first time. There are many more credible organisations that would differ from this view from Thesoophy so it does make one wonder who is correct? The Spiritualists National Union being one of them and the NFSH would probably be the other.

In fact it was a medium from the SNU that told me when I was just 18 that my life would hell and that it was meant to be because it would teach me to have compassion for those that were brought to me. And that in my 40's I would become a medium and work with the GWB. I thought is was the biggest load of rubbish I had ever heard in my life and had no idea who the GWB was either.

Love beyond measure

Kim xx

RE: What is the difference between a prophet and a medium?

Vonski

You will love this quote from the NIV bible.

"Romans 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of GOD. 28: And we know that all things work together for good to them that love GOD, to them who are called according to his purpose. 29: For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son. That he might be the first born among many breathen. 30: Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified and whom he justified, them he also glorified. 31: What shall we say to things? If GOD be for US, who can be against us?

A would say the 'calling' is the 'annunciation'.

A good one to share with your family. How can they perceive what you do? How can they embrace your experiences when they have not had them? It is very hard for others to understand, there was a time when I did not believe people could see angels yet once I saw for myself I never doubted again.

Love beyond measure

Kim xx

RE: What is the difference between a prophet and a medium?

ORIGINAL: Sacredstar

Well Venetian we have been around the houses with this one so many times now!

Yep.

This philosopy from Theosophy comes basically from one organisation.

Nope, absolutely nope. Every authentic movement associated with the Masters says the same.

But I don't even feel a need to use the 'organisation' word. It's right there in writing in the Mahatma Lettters from Morya and KH, as an inviolable truth from them, the Letters still existing in the British Library. Not from an "organisation" but from the Masters themselves, saying that mediums who purport to give communications from them are usually very well-meaning people (the Masters have compassion for them)but in total error, just getting so-called messages from their own unconscious. They never use, nor have need to use, mediums. They wouldn't have their words garbled, and mediums aren't initiated into Their Path.

No real need for me to repeat the quotes as it's all there in past threads, with the quotes and links.

Venetian

RE: What is the difference between a prophet and a medium?

ORIGINAL: venetian

This philosopy from Theosophy comes basically from one organisation.

Nope, absolutely nope. Every authentic movement associated with the Masters says the same.

Would you be so kind as to name them please, then we can assess for ourselves the authenticity on whether any of these movements have never been involved in Theosophy at any time, hence took on this belief system and hold it in their consciousness.

I must admit I trust the bible and the word of GOD more than any materialised reality supplied by Theosophy from whence the letters came.

As you know I do not practice as a medium, I am only an instrument for GOD and the saints. However, the GWB have never ever given me this doctrine that you impart which seems strange to me especially as they have informed me in the past of how to recognise those that do work hand in hand with them.

Many thanks

Kim xx

RE: What is the difference between a prophet and a medium?

For new members that do not know anything of the Mahatma Letters that Venetian mentions I post this information.

The Mahatma Letters

As this article states the letters are not infallible.

Many members of the Theosophical Society have had feelings of considerable doubt about some of these letters. They have felt that the letters do not all represent a direct expressions of the Master to whom they are ascribed, that many passages have, as it were, no Master behind them.

Some have perhaps felt a little guilty at entertaining such a thought, feeling that it involves a measure of disloyalty to Madame Blavatsky to whom they owe so much. A little research, however, shows that they need not feel at all guilty in this respect; for Madame Blavatsky herself held and expressed the very same view of the letters, and indeed expressed it much more sweepingly than any who came after her have ventured to do.

"It is hardly one out of a hundred occult letters, " she wrote, "that is ever written by the hand of the Master in whose name and on whose behalf they are sent, and the Masters have neither time nor leisure to write them; and when a Master says, "I wrote that letter, " it means only that every word in it was dictated by him and impressed under his direct supervision. Generally they make their chela, whether near or far away, write (or precipitate) them, by impressing upon his mind the ideas they wish impressed, and, if necessary, aiding him in the picture-printing process of precipitation. It depends entirely upon the chela's state of development how accurately the ideas may be transmitted and the writing-model imitated". (Lucifer, iii, p.93).

Sinnett was himself familiar with and accepted the view that many of the letters were written entirely by chelas and were not direct communications from the Masters, even though written in the Masters' handwritings and carrying Their initials as signatories. In 1888 Sinnett was shown by Colonel Olcott a signed letter in the K. H. script, and he then wrote to C. W. Leadbeater, "It reads to me very much en suite with the other letters in blue handwriting that came during the 1884 crisis, when Mm. B. herself admitted to me after wards that during that time the Masters had stood aside and left everything to various chelas, including freedom to use the blue handwriting". (C Jinarajadasa, The K.H. Letters to C.W. Leadbeater, p75).

For the full article please see

being love

Kim xx

RE: What is the difference between a prophet and a medium?

Hello Venetian,

mediums who purport to give communications from them are usually very well-meaning people (the Masters have compassion for them)but in total error, just getting so-called messages from their own unconscious.

Well, I have found the passage in the Old Testament which contradicts the above.
Look at the book of Samuel.
King Saul went to consult the medium of En-dor:

QUOTE:
"So Saul disguised himself and put on other garments and went, he and two men with him. And he said, "Divine for me by a spirit and bring up for me whomever I shall name to you."
The woman said to him, "Surely you know what Saul has done, how he has cut off the mediums and the necromancers from the land. Why then are you laying a trap for my life to bring about my death? But Saul swore to her by the Lord, "As the Lord lives, no punishment shall come upon you for this thing." Then the woman said,"Whom shall I bring up for you?" He said, "Bring up Samuel for me."
When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman said to Saul,"Why have you deceived me? You are Saul."
The king said to her,"Do not be afraid". What do you see?"
And the woman said to Saul,"I see a God coming up out of the earth." He said to her,"What is his appearance?" And she said,"An old man is coming up, and he is wrapped in a robe."
And Saul knew that it was Samuel, and he bowed with his face to the ground and paid homage.
Then Samuel said to Saul...... etc. etc.

UNQUOTE

I think this argument about whom mediums perceive depends on which document you value most? The Old testament or the Mahatma letters.

Vonski

RE: What is the difference between a prophet and a medium?

Thank you for sharing Vonski can you refer us to the passage so that we may read more of this.

To perceive is different from seeing and hearing for as Archangel Michael once said 'perceptions are an illusion that have no basis in reality'. I should stress that he was not referring to mediumship but to the state of perceptional consciousness. E.g. when one's perceptional consciousness is clear of all judgement, negativity, etc one's vision becomes clear with clarity. Which takes us back to Venetians point about spiritual attainment.

At the end of the day I am sure that you agree all must be true to self and their own experiences and the messages they receive. To trust and know that nobody else can truly know what another has experienced.

I must add that the passage of the bible does confirm the acceptance of mediumship. However, it does not confirm that the GWB work with those that call themselves mediums par se. Every human being can receive messages and help from Jesus and the saints, but it a very different matter to work with them hand in hand for the benefit of humanity as a whole and I think this is the point that Venetian is making. Without doubt those that do have a pre-determined, pre-destination as spoken about in Romans, in modern day assisting humanity with this huge transition through the end times that we are currently experiencing.

A wonderful message was received this morning and so I will post it here for us to ponder upon.

"The Soul is the lamp that lights the way".

Another aspect of all of this is that 'Christ is rising in the heart of man' from Sacred Words

The more people become their Christ selves the less need there is for angels and masters to guide them. They are no longer above but in equality standing by our sides, hand in hand in the front line creating the Kingdom of Love.

Love beyond measure

Kim xx

RE: What is the difference between a prophet and a medium?

Hello Kim,

"Perceive" Well See, Hear, Feelor whatever.....Just a manner of speech by a Dutch person (me).

The passage is in the book of Samuel: 1 Samuel 27:3, 28 - 8

Vonksi

RE: What is the difference between a prophet and a medium?

ORIGINAL: Sacredstar

as Archangel Michael once said 'perceptions are an illusion that have no basis in reality'.

The ever-present problem with channelling / mediumship (or whatever other wordone chooses to call it) is that to 99.9 percent of people, 'Archangel Michael' did not say that. I presume it derives from yourself, in which case -you said it. Of course, it's always neat to tag a high name on the end of a line, but that in the opinion of many is a trick of the unconscious, even if done in full well-meaning and faith.

I mean, I could now say that the words above are actually not mine, but come from this or that master or archangel;some would even believe it;however I don't do so. One has to face that this is the problem here. (It's one reason I like Theosophical history from the late 1800s - these were not channelled contacts, with the eternal problem of the unconscious portraying itself as a high being,but frequently werephysical contacts:)

[link= http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/mastersencounterswith.htm ]http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/mastersencounterswith.htm[/link]

Venetian

RE: What is the difference between a prophet and a medium?

Dear Vonski

Well it is very important to differentiate between perception and seeing form.

Many times I have seen divine energies manifest in the nearest thing to what one could describe as form and people on my courses have also seen the divine beings walking around ahead of me and following me. So to respond to Venetian it does not derive from myself or a perception thereof.

Dear All

I had a really funny experience on a forum with very spiritually attained people in the US last year. I was receiving some comments like Venetian's post above. I took no notice and that day had posted a dictation from Archangel Michael called 'Observations' as guided to do so. The very next day a man that had frequented the forum and had never ever seen AM (or any other divine energies) popped in.

He came into report that Archangel Michael had turned up that day for the very first time and he was absolutely shocked by his experience. Not only did Paul see AM standing there in all his glory for the very first time, but AM also told him to pay heed to 'the observations' on the forum and that a great deal of the information there would result in a book that Paul would write. He also gave him the title of the book that I cannot remember.

As you can imagine Paul was gobsmacked to discover on arriving on the forum to give us his report of his experience to find a dictation from AM called 'Observations'.

I rest my case! I smiled alot and thanked AM for supporting me once again. Everyone on the forum shut up after that because they all held Paul in the highest esteem. Pauls honesty had provided sheer evidence that AM was indeed in active participation and had watched the discussions about our work together and then taken appropriate action.

When it suits the divine they will give proof and this is not the first time the divine have moved to show people that their negative beliefs are unfounded.

Venetian you say 99.9% that is a very high number indeed.

Another interesting thing happened a couple of year's ago. A well known named person who presents at the 'Prophets Conference' was very excited about an AM dictation that had been presented at a meditation evening. The person was so excited about it that they contacted a lady in the UK to tell her all about it. The lady responded well the name of the person that received that dication from Archangel Michael was my friend Kim. (in this case credits had been removed). Venetian I regularly receive emails from highly spiritually attained people from all over the world about the work that I have been involved with in the past. So to be honest it matters not to me if people accept or refute. If the work resonates with their heart that is great and if it doesn't then that is great too, I trust those that are ready to take the message on board will indeed do so. I have no attachment to outcomes I just do my utmost to do Gods will in the best way that I know how.

Let Glory be to God.

Love beyond measure

Kim xx

RE: What is the difference between a prophet and a medium?

Goodmorning All,

"The conversation about Mediums and Modern day channells is an interesting one. On the one level mediums do in fact talk though God since all connection with Spitirt is in fact a maetter of the Divine. At another level you who are talking on this forum are channels for the Divine also, since you are spreading your knowledge to others on their Spiritual Path -you too are Mediums and also Channels. Venetian was correct in his very first statement when he said that Prophets are sent by God or the Divine Spirit as we would call this incredible energy. You too could be a Prophet but it is only in the message that such a person gives that the label Prophet can be attached. You are also correct in your verse about the sentinel who was given a taste of Spirit and then starrted their own religious order. You were however not correct in your assumption that God or the Divine Spirit does not oversee all conversations that mankind emits in his name, this is no so. So where have we got to? Just remember that in time some of the Prophets that are on the Earth Plane now such as Blavatsky who is in reincarnation at this point in Earth Time, will reveal themselves to you, even if you do not think it is so. So may I wish you a very joyful day, Love Orion". Channelled message

Publisher
I am told that Margaret Birkin the Australian Spiritual Teacher was Blavatsky in a former life and has come back to correct the errors that she made in that incarnation. It's all interesting stuff!

RE: What is the difference between a prophet and a medium?

Hi Publisher,

I could name about 6-7 people HP Blavatsky is said to be right now (by channels) which is precisely why such information is suspect. HPB isn't all those people (or maybe not any of them) at once, so most or all channels are wrong on that, and presumably on much else. [The 'difference' between medium and channeller has come up here before and it's a point of semantics. For my money there isn't a difference. 19th-century mediums were certainly in many cases what are called channels today, and wrote whole books just as today's 'channels'. IMO 'medium' started to sound like an old-fashioned word, so 'channel' simply got to sound cooler and more groovy. No difference, just a change of term to stand out from the pack.

ORIGINAL: Publisher

On the one level mediums do in fact talk though God since all connection with Spitirt is in fact a maetter of the Divine.

Not really. Is it 'the Divine' when the communication is with simply a dead person, and maybe a low-minded and addicted, earthbound person? Moreover, if you do a net search on "Philip the Ghost" you'll see that there's evidence in now that many mediumistic messages are simply communications from the mass-unconscious of all the people present, not from any invisible, external personality at all. In other words, the people present are being kidded by their own unconscious. This puts the wholesubject into a questionable light.

Venetian

RE: What is the difference between a prophet and a medium?

Who claims Blavatsky was a prophet ? A seer maybe, a prophet is a big stretch of the imagination. Even Cayce did not call himself a prophet but others did. If you study the prophets of old they were mainly reluctant participants they did not go searching for truth like Blavatsky. They were just people getting on with their lives, like Jonah they did not have the desire to be a seer or a prophet or to carry out GODs will. However, like many mediums of old they gave in and surrendered in the end. I too sent spirit away for years I told them they couldn't afford me!:D

There is a very big difference between a 'channel and a medium' there is also a big difference between a 'clairvoyant and a channel' and did you know that only 10% of mediums actually see Spirit standing there in the fullness of all their glory. Those that do see and hear Spirit are blessed indeed! So if a professional medium or clairvoyant calls themself a channel they do themselves no justice at all.

Prophets are chosen for their integrity and sadly Blavatsky's was dubious. As records show.

being love

Kim xx

RE: What is the difference between a prophet and a medium?

Hm, whether HPB was a prophet or not is something I'd never thought of. I seem to be using the word 'semantics' a lot on HP this week, but again it comes down to that and exactly how each defines the word 'prophet'. Personally, thinking of it, I would say HPB was a prophet. She fits all my criteria for being one, from a quick think.

For example, in the OT we tend to read that "God" tells those prophets what to do and say. In reality God works through beings, and I don't believe it was the One God doing that; rather an Archangel etc. Then in Muhammad's casewe know that he was dictated to by Archangel Gabriel. So if it's not "God" per se that speaks to prophets - and even in the OT the prophets are sometimes instructed by angels or "God" who was in the form of a physical man (a Master?) - then in my books HPB was equally instructed by beings who represented and are one with God. The work through her is probably responsible for roughly half the present New Age, at core, so one could say she triggered a new 'religion' or rather, spiritual movement.

Incidentally she first became famous for being a medium. But she told those closest to her that she wasn't producing mediumistic phenomena as a medium at all. She wanted to mix for a while with the mediums of the day, and so produced physical effects (raps, movements, appearances) in order to get to know the other mediums. But I think I'm right in saying that she told those closer to her that she was making all those things happen herself!

Venetian

RE: What is the difference between a prophet and a medium?

ORIGINAL: Sacredstar

Prophets are chosen for their integrity and sadly Blavatsky's was dubious. As records show.

HPB is always interesting. What in particular do you have in mind here, though? She was certainly eccentric! Once she had people parade around outside in white sheets, that people might think they'd seen the Masters. A disliker of HPB could call that "trickery" but in fact she was just having a laugh. ButI'm open to discussion as I admit she was a one-off. What else was dubious?

(I'm not into questioning the Mahatma Letters as the questioning of their authenticity is proven to have been a plot at the time.)

Prophets haven't been lily-white anyway, so not being so could still leave HPB as a prophet. Mohammad went to war and converted cities by conquest (!!!), Moses didn't get to the Promised Land since he had killed a man,other prophets had much doubt about God, etc., etc.

V

RE: What is the difference between a prophet and a medium?

Ahh what an interesting thread this is, i came back just at the right time ;)will read it all properly later

RE: What is the difference between a prophet and a medium?

She wanted to mix for a while with the mediums of the day, and so produced physical effects (raps, movements, appearances) in order to get to know the other mediums. But I think I'm right in saying that she told those closer to her that she was making all those things happen herself!

She was certainly eccentric! Once she had people parade around outside in white sheets, that people might think they'd seen the Masters. A disliker of HPB could call that "trickery" but in fact she was just having a laugh.

Both examples that you give indicate a lack of integrity. Do you imagine that Jesus, Jonah or Moses would do such things? I think not.

But I'm open to discussion as I admit she was a one-off. What else was dubious?

Well there are articles about different accusations of fraudalent activity as I am sure that you are aware David. However, there is plenty on the internet if people wish to do a search. TBH it does not hold any interest for me.

being love

Kim xx

RE: What is the difference between a prophet and a medium?

Hi Kim,

I simply find HPB a hoot to talk about. IMO she was genuine to the hilt but also eccentric to the hilt. She was very genuine, is the bottom line. You haven't said what you find dubious as if I find time I'd be willing to discuss that out of my own interest. Not that I am an HPB expert BTW.

>"there are articles about different accusations of fraudalent activity as I am sure that you are aware "

Nope, I am not. Everyone has critics, and as I said the Letters are done and dusted. Hey, she smoked cigars, she was a warrior on horseback in her teens in a war! She was not, I admit, your average lady! And I am no expert on her. But I've never come across anything about her that I would call morally dubious. I simply find her to be a hoot, and amazing, extrmely serious at times, but unserious too often ;)to make fun of the idiots around her.

Do you have a point about her being dubious? I've already posted that Moses killed a man, Mohammad converted by warfare, etc. So what, really, is the moral sign of a prophet?

To me it is someone chosen by the GWB to bring forth a new level of Wisdom to the world and HPB did that in spades.

V xxx

RE: What is the difference between a prophet and a medium?

Dear David

Author Paul Roland writes about HPB.

"A Russian credited with psychic powers and an insatiable desire for travel and adventure. A rather excitable type, given to profanity and soothing her nerves with maijuana.

It is claimed that she got involved in voodoo in New Orleans and came under the influence of an anonymous Indian adept, who helped her to develop her psychic abilities and encouraged her to travel East. On returning to Russia she captivated nobility by producing a whole catalogue of psychic phenomena. In 1884, The Society for Psychical Research was eager to investigate her “marvellous phenomena”, but they swiftly withdrew their support when allegations of fraud were issued against her by one of her own. The scandal was sensationalised by the worlds press and demolished her reputation.

Rene Guenon (1886-1951) stated that the Theosophical Society had ‘absolutely no connection’ with real theosophy.

You have your own views on psychics and have said yourself that a psychic cannot be a prophet so which is it David? In your view was this 'Pot smoking, trick playing, psychic a prophet and the mouthpiece of God?'

In your heart of hearts you surely cannot believe it to be so.

It is very sad indeed that the new age has been impregnated with so much of this dubious ladies concepts. However, as Jesus said in the bible the truth will come into the light of day for all to see, and as I said in a previous post a great deal new age beliefs will be swept away.

being love

Kim xx

RE: What is the difference between a prophet and a medium?

Well David I can only share what I have been taught by the divine.

what, really, is the moral sign of a prophet?

20th century examples would probably include people like Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jnr

They stand for freedom, unity, liberation, peace, equality and love and with that in mind I take back what I said earlier I think Jesus was a prophet and a lot more besides.

Yesterday I came across this quote and I had no idea that Martin Luther King also called people sacred.

“One comes to appreciate the reality that there can be no ‘we’ and ‘they’ in our lives, but only brothers and sisters –all sacred and dignified.” –Martin Luther King, Jr.

being love

Kim xx

RE: What is the difference between a prophet and a medium?

TBH I don't take any of that on HPB seriously. I'm not an apologist for her and real info would be accepted and taken on board by me. It just looks like character-attack. I have no interest in all that stuff. Fact is, she was incredibly dedicated and sincere, and was partly responsible for the new spirituality we have today.

If you disagree, fine, but I'm not really interested in the debate as it's off-topic. To my mind HPB was eccentric but 120 percent dedicated to Truth. She spent her whole life on that, to the end. Always interesting, and people like that always attract lovers and haters (people get polarised), so it's a question of which website and link one chooses to post.

You quote: "insatiable desire for travel and adventure. A rather excitable type, given to profanity". There are all kinds of buzz words in there which are not the sign of a dispassionate reseasrcher. ou've just chosen a bad link IMO. She was equal to Gandhi and King in my opinion if you look at the record of what she did and how she changed the world. BTW i would in no way call Gandhi or King prophets anyhow.

Far as I am concerned, that's all I have to say on HPB and others can search "Blavatsky" for themselves.

V xxx

RE: What is the difference between a prophet and a medium?

Paul Roland is a respected author and I feel sure his research was extensive. His book is called Revelations and the Wisdom of the Ages. He includes an unbias appraisal of spiritual and mystical traditions of both East and West, Ancient and Modern and includes such people as Mother Meera, Dion Fortune, Krishnamurti to Taoist Sages, Zoroaster, Moses, to less well known names. It was one of the first books that I bought when I first started receiving prophecy back in the mid 90's. It is very dusty as it never gets picked up. However, for those that are interested in revelations and those that have been involved in them it is a good starter book.

And this quote from the back cover of the book would bring forth Krishnamurti in the same league as Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jnr

"My only concern is to set man absolutely, unconditionally free" Krishnamurti:D

"God is giving man a great chance.....Now man must choose" Mother Meera

And I would say to you that it matters not what wisdom HPB shared, if a person does not live in integrity with high moral standards and ethics they are not being spiritual at all. Instead they live in a cloud of illusion of what it means to be spiritual, it has been revealed to us that HPB was not genuine by her own actions and deeds and nor is some of the results found in the new age, as you often remind us.

So like any tree that is going rotten we have to look at the roots of that tree and the root (core) of the new age as you claim is HPB, or any company that has a problem look to top management for it always comes from the top. What comes around goes around and it is clear that as more and more people see truth for themselves they no longer require truth from others.

Love beyond measure

Kim xx

RE: What is the difference between a prophet and a medium?

This is an interesting thread to a number of people apparently so I would suggest not getting side-tracked into HPB.

When you write: "if a person does not live in integrity with high moral standards" (etc) re HPB I haven't a clue what you are talking about.

She gave up a normal life and spent her life travelling and searching in order to finally live with the Masters in the Himalayas, which Masters she simply adored and obeyed implicitly. Never mind "prophet" - that is at least my definition of the word "chela" (disciple). She simply lived to serve. If anyone has a problem with that, it's their problem IMO.

I can see the kind of author you are quoting here, without your own deep knowledge on HPBI take it. The kind of person who has no deep knowledge himselfof anyone he writes about. Such books are common.

I thought you live in non-duality (end quote) and see love in everyone, so let's give dear HPB a break?? Why would you want to spend your time denigrating a great person? It doesn't sit with your other sayings and quotes TBH. People can look up Blavatsky on the net and make up their own mind. I haven't a clue why you would want to have it in for her. Just because I don't is my guess.

[Reminds me of a Carry On film on Juliuis Caesar when there was an attempted assassination: "Infamy! Infamy! They've all got it in fa me!" ;)]

V

RE: What is the difference between a prophet and a medium?

P.S. You know what? I hope this thread continues and is of interest and of use to people. But I realise, Kim, that you always answer back and it can go on and on forever, and off-topic, so I am signing off and unsubscribing from this thread. I won't be aware of it from now on.

Venetian

RE: What is the difference between a prophet and a medium?

ORIGINAL:

I can see the kind of author you are quoting here, without your own deep knowledge on HPB I take it.

As I said before David I have no interest in such people as HPB or anyone else connected with the new age. I do not single her out I actually think she was a load of fun and did find truth for herself and there is certainly nothing untoward in that.

The kind of person who has no deep knowledge himself of anyone he writes about. Such books are common.

So very true!

I thought you live in non-duality (end quote) and see love in everyone, so let's give dear HPB a break?? Why would you want to spend your time denigrating a great person?

Yes I do and I do see love in her and I also see past the illusion she created with sheer clarity. GOD bless her!

You are getting very serious again David My intent was to demonstrate the double standards that take place on this forum, so objective achieved and I am sure that HPB won't mind us sharing so that others will find their own truth. She was a very big person and could take it on the chin just like I have had to learn to do.

So there is no issue with HPB just the integrity of double standards. So she was just the boat to carry the people across that sea to a new shore, nothing more, nothing less. I am sure that she won't mind being the means for the ferry and hopefully this forum can begin to leave these double standards behind for once and for all. So try to think of my words about HPB as a parable or story so that others can understand the true inner meaning.

It doesn't sit with your other sayings and quotes TBH.

Well you are so right David because the other sayings and quotes do not come from me but from the divine energies that work with me and through me.

Lighten up David I really do think she was a cosmic joker just like some others on the forum.

I promise I will be a good girl now!

Love beyond measure

Kim xx

RE: What is the difference between a prophet and a medium?

Oh dear
We all need to let our hair down, and stop taking things soo seriously.

The choice is of course ours, if we are to be all doom and gloom, or chose to let go and move on, when learning from what life throws at us.

To have faith and to trust that everything that is dibinely needed will be given.

Love
Ithar

RE: What is the difference between a prophet and a medium?

And I do believe Kim is getting us to ask questions, and to test those restrictions...its ok to have boundries, as boundries and restrictions are different

So let your higher self, inner self and soul ask questions, being challenges are good, may feel S**** at the time but we all come out better.

Oh yeh.,..they were right, and oh I can see that now.
Love
Ithar:)

RE: What is the difference between a prophet and a medium?

I believe that there are many prophets in all religions of the world, but it doesn't mean , according the the Christian faith that these are valid prophets. As the Bible states, there are many false prophets, and those who are true, are the ones that relate or inform others, of God's truth. That's the difference from a true prophet and a medium, which are known to be used by demonic forces to imposter anything of God. The one true God! There are many Gods, and gods of our own hands and imaginations that we worship in this world. But there is only one true God, in Biblical text, The Father, The Son, and of the Holy Ghost.. He is made up of three persons, in ONE. And any word that is not given by Him, is not to be trusted. The problem is telling them apart the difference between a valid prophet and an imposter that is not of God. And there are many warnings about this. Here is a site I found that has more on it if you are interested.

I hope this is of some help.