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Hello,

Just like to get some feed back on something I still get rather confused about.
Some religious organisations condemn the work of "diviners, seers, mediums etc."

I have read the bible cover to cover (Old and New testament) to find or understand the difference. However, so far a prophet does all the same things as all the people above. They predict, they talk to spirits and angels, they heal and curse.

The only difference I found is that prophets are of "Abraham" in other words theJewish religion.

Does this mean that the mediums and seers etc. are according to the bible are "evil" because they aren't jewish?

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RE: What is the difference between a prophet and a medium?

IMHO there's a huge difference. Prophets are rare and are utterly sponsored and 'sent' by God (or insert your own word for the One or Divinity).

Mediums may be good, bad, or indifferent, but there are clearly tens if not thousands of thousands of them, and they do what they do - god, bad, or indifferent - without being totally and completely the mouthpieces of God.

Prophets are highly attained people spiritually whereas once more on that score mediums may be good, bad, or indifferent.

That's my 'take'. Prophets are rare and you don't find them in your local MBS Fair! 😀

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Dear Vonski

Just like to get some feed back on something I still get rather confused about. Some religious organisations condemn the work of "diviners, seers, mediums etc."

Yes they do, and often this is because they misinterpret scripture and misunderstand the importance of the work. If you really investigate scripture it is against sorcery and witchcraft. Yet both Jesus and Moses were both prophets and both were called sorcerers by those that opposed them. Jesus also took his disciples to the mountain of divination.

I have read the bible cover to cover (Old and New testament) to find or understand the difference. However, so far a prophet does all the same things as all the people above. They predict, they talk to spirits and angels, they heal and curse.

Well if you step back from what you wish to see, you will see what you might have missed. A prophets role is to impart to humanity information that will help them when they are in their greatest need. GOD sends a prophet to deliver the word of GOD to the people. It is written that sometimes there is a gap of at least 400 years between GOD sending another prophet. The prophet is often very humble in background and this choice is on purpose. GODs message is for all people and so does not wish the message to be intellectualised and only reach a few or for the prophet to claim it as their own. And so the humble messenger is sent as Jesus said ‘the prophet is never accepted in his own village’ and this is very true for how can their contemporaries accept someone such as this? The words imparted usually challenge the very bedrock of society and its ways. Including the contemporaries.

Prophets are often very reluctant to carry out the work an example being Prophet Jonah and Jesus likened himself to Jonah, the only minor prophet in the bible he chose to liken himself too! There were many minor prophets too, they all brought words of morality and to improve the ethical conscience of the race, as well as predictions of what would happen if humanity did not change their ways. So God sends his prophets so that humanity will avoid calamity.

The only difference I found is that prophets are of "Abraham" in other words the Jewish religion.

Well we have to look outside of Judaism and Christianity and you will find prophets from many different cultures and races.

Does this mean that the mediums and seers etc. are according to the bible are "evil" because they aren't jewish?

No

IMHO there's a huge difference. Prophets are rare and are utterly sponsored and 'sent' by God (or insert your own word for the One or Divinity).

I totally agree. However, the bible predicts that many more prophets will be sent by GOD during the end times and men, woman and children will receive prophecy, dreams and visions.

Mediums may be good, bad, or indifferent, but there are clearly tens if not thousands of thousands of them, and they do what they do - god, bad, or indifferent - without being totally and completely the mouthpieces of God.

I agree in the sense that they have a different role to play, for all are GODs children and can be inspired by the Holy Spirit when there heart is pure.

Prophets are highly attained people spiritually whereas once more on that score mediums may be good, bad, or indifferent.

I agree this is usually the case, although I think some in the bible were not highly spirtually attained at all. They were just a mouthpiece.

That's my 'take'. Prophets are rare and you don't find them in your local MBS Fair!

You never know where you might find a prophet but you can recognise them from their words of purity of heart, sheer morality, ethical conscience and integrity. Another way to recognise them is that their predictions come true. As it states in the bible if the prophecy comes true you will know that they are a true prophet sent from GOD. Often GOD w

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Here is a link for you Vonski if you wish to look and learn about the Minor Prophets

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Just one point here which I feel is important. I agree with SacredStar above but on:

>>>"Another way to recognise them is that their predictions come true."

... In the OT at least, the major role of prophets was to tell the people, THIS will happen if you carry on as you are doing and living, but as an alternative THIS can happen if you reform. In other words, they were calling people, in modern language, to reform themselves and to be better people. To 'repent'.

So there's no end of OT prophets who were given prophecies which never happened since the people DID reform. I forget which OT prophet it was, sorry, but there is one who in the OT "complains" to God that none of the prophecies ever came true and it totally had discredited him. :DBut that was because people heeded the warning in his case and so 'changed' the future and prophecy.

I don't know if the term 'prophet' is apt to today's world, but in the OT they were sent by God to say THIS will happen IF you carry on your dark, grey lives as you are. Sometimes people listened, sometimes not. So their entire role so far as I se it was to warn people they must change or .... such and such would happen. (BTW this was a warning about how karma works.)

It's a fairly funny story to me about the OT prophet whose prophecies never came true - I wonder if anyone can remind me who it was?

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Hi Venetian,

Prophets are highly attained people spiritually whereas once more on that score mediums may be good, bad, or indifferent.

Sure but.... various prophets including Jesus warned: "beware for false prophets".
The bible (Old testament) highlights in various areas that there have been many false prophets.

So the theory you utter about the thousands of mediums can be applied to prophets as well.

That's my 'take'. Prophets are rare and you don't find them in your local MBS Fair!

Honestly, these days to call yourself a prophet will have the same reaction as to call your-self Jesus. I thinka genuine prophet will think twice before putting that label on themselves? Wouldn't you?

Hello Kim,

If you really investigate scripture it is against sorcery and witchcraft.

Yes it also certainly states word for word against mediumship and fortune telling. (old testament - Kings)

It is written that sometimes there is a gap of at least 400 years between GOD sending another prophet. The prophet is often very humble in background and this choice is on purpose.

Again throughout the bible especially Kings and Chronicles it is spoken about prophets, quite a few of them.There is not one section in the bible that doesn't talk about a number of prophets involved with the day to day ruling of the judges and kings of Israel.

The prophet is often very humble in background and this choice is on purpose

Again in the old testament some of the prophets had quite influential trade positions. Just look after the return fromPersia and rebuilding thehouse of God and the walls ofJerusalem. (Old testament)

Well we have to look outside of Judaism and Christianity and you will find prophets from many different cultures and races.

Yes, The muslim religion is very closely related to Judaism as they have similar prophets.
However, in other religions the function of the prophets will change and don't answer to the same "Lord -God of all" and "the one true God" that we all should fear.....
Providing that we are following the old testament as well as the New testament.

As it states in the bible if the prophecy comes true you will know that they are a true prophet sent from GOD. Often GOD will give a sign to prove that the prophet has been sent, by bestowing prophecy that manifests very quickly (in their own lifetime and before their ministry begins) and can be easily recognised by those that have the ears to hear, the eyes to see and the heart to embrace.

So, if a medium has had nothing else then true predicitions. They can consider themselves a prophet?

Being a prophet is not something one does consciously to begin with, in as much that there is no man made training that creates a prophet, only GOD creates a prophet.

Same as giving psychic or mediumistic readings. Most mediums are reluctant to do so (At least I was) but how many would realise that they are a prophet and come out with it?

Sorry for so many questions, but it originated by having lived opposite the Jesus Army for some time and being pestered by Born again Christian relatives that are desparately seeking to "save my soul"

I have helped literally thousands of people with my work but still am not accepted by these "Good christian" relatives.

Vonski

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ORIGINAL: Vonski

Hi Venetian,

Prophets are highly attained people spiritually whereas once more on that score mediums may be good, bad, or indifferent.

Sure but.... various prophets including Jesus warned: "bewarefor false prophets".
The bible (Old testament) highlights in various areas that there have been many false prophets.

Yes. This is an abiding theme in my life - how to discern. Any number of people today set themselves up as dispensers of spiritual truth, and many are led astray - not necessarily by 'evil' people, but by people who are not nearly as attained as they think they are. Discernment is somethingI come back to again and again, and the only broad answer I have to this problem is that people who really are very attuned spiritually know a true teacher (to leave ther term 'prophet' aside). As Jesus said, "My sheep know my voice." Attuned people spot a false teacher a mile away, or within30 seconds of him/her opening their mouths. Or that's my conclusion anyhow. 😉

So the theory you utter about the thousands of mediums can be applied to prophets as well.

I actually believe that mediums by definition can never be prophets. They work at a different level. 'Prophets' work exclusively with God IMHO. Exclusively - that's the key point here.

Honestly, these days to call yourself a prophet will have the same reaction as to call your-self Jesus. I thinka genuine prophet will think twice before putting that label on themselves? Wouldn't you?

Yes, it is always likely to bring some criticism and disparagement upon one. I'm thinking not of the term 'prophet' once more as people tend to see it as dated. But what in the OT were called 'prophets' IMO are still happening today under different words e.g. "Messenger". To ever set yourself up as a source of new spiritual wisdom always attracts some negativity, but if God has called you to do it you do it anyway from my observations, and most people do appreciate it and support it. 🙂

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Venetian

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Hi Vonski

quote:
  If you really investigate scripture it is against sorcery and witchcraft.
Yes it also certainly states word for word against mediumship and fortune telling. (old testament - Kings)

Well I would leave the contrived KJV alone and recommend the NIV it is much nicer translation from the originals. I did do a lot of work on this last year on a comparative religion forum and gave all the evidence to the CF's about how meanings had been misconstrued. I also provided evidence where divination and astrology had been used in the bible without a problem.

quote:
  The prophet is often very humble in background and this choice is on purpose

Again in the old testament some of the prophets had quite influential trade positions. Just look after the return from Persia and rebuilding the house of God and the walls of Jerusalem. (Old testament)

Yes and most prophets were killed for being accused of being false prophets. I would not trust the history of the bible 100%, also one can be in an influential trade position but still come from a humble background. Some kids do good! Also this trade background does not always signify an academic background either in fact they are poles apart. How many influential tradespeople would give up their trade and become prophets today? Think about it, very few!

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  As it states in the bible if the prophecy comes true you will know that they are a true prophet sent from GOD. Often GOD will give a sign to prove that the prophet has been sent, by bestowing prophecy that manifests very quickly (in their own lifetime and before their ministry begins) and can be easily recognised by those that have the ears to hear, the eyes to see and the heart to embrace.

So, if a medium has had nothing else then true predicitions. They can consider themselves a prophet?

There is a very big difference between receiving prophecy and receiving mediumship. Mediumship predictions are usually for an individual not the whole of humanity as well.

Sorry for so many questions, but it originated by having lived opposite the Jesus Army for some time and being pestered by Born again Christian relatives that are desparately seeking to "save my soul"

I have helped literally thousands of people with my work but still am not accepted by these "Good christian" relatives.

I understand.

"A soul that is not lost does not need to be saved' from Sacred Words

Love beyond measure

Kim xx

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spiritually know a true teacher (to leave ther term 'prophet' aside).

IMHV There is a big difference between a spiritual teacher and a prophet, although people do confuse the two just like they confuse clairvoyance and mediumship. The difference can be subtle or it can be profound. Jesus was more a teacher than a prophet as there were many teachings and very little prophecy. I think in biblical times they must have lumped all of them together.

As Jesus said, "My sheep know my voice."

That's true! However, Jesus is not GOD!;) but a wonderful messenger of GOD in my experience.

As we know in more recent times e.g. after 1,000 AD some prophets have been called mystics. It ranges from Hildegard Bingen who was called a mystic and a prophet to people like Edgar Cayce 'The Sleeping Prophet' who was also a well respected medium and Bahaullah (1817-1892) who they called a messenger and founded a religion. He asserted that he is the messenger of GOD for all humanity in his day. Yet Jesus did not assert anything did he ? He asked 'who am I to you?'

Again there is a difference between being a medium and proving life after death and a 'medium' e.g. vehicle/instrument for the higher planes.

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Here is a little more about

St. Hildegard of Bingen (1098-1179)

This woman hailed a prophet, is one who calls the community back to fidelity and the moral life. In the mid-twelfth century, Hildegard saw a clergy who lacked dedication, sacred scriptures that were neglected and a Christian community left without proper instruction in the faith. Like the Hebrew prophets whose job it was to call the chosen people back to the convenant, Hildegard calls the community of faith back to its roots, speaking especially to the theologians, monks and priests. She writes herself in the Scivas, her call to the prophetic vocation came not because of her fitness for the task or any exceptional holiness on her part. Like other prophets before her, Hildegard is humbled by God’s choice of her, but education, gender, social status and eloquence neither confer nor remove her prophetic power that comes from God alone. Despite biblical and social restrictions regarding women’s silence and submission, Hildegard felt herself called by God and was unable to do other than follow God’s instruction. It is written that her protestations of lowliness, lack of education and poor health that appear in the Scivias are literary conventions written to convince readers that it is through God’s power alone that these visions and writings were accomplished, and her insistence on characterising herself as simple was meant not as a literal truth but as a telling comment on the well-schooled clerics who needed her to “unlock for them the enclosure of mysteries that they, timid as they are, conceal in a hidden and fruitless field.”

Source: Mother Columbia Hart and Jane Bishop

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I am asked to say that when you are called to work hand in hand with God there is always an annunciation delivered from the higher realms, so there can be no doubt at all, no confusion, no question of what you are ordained to do or be.

For instance when Archangel Gabriel made the announcement to the Virgin Mary of the incarnation is just one example. It is a powerful mystical religious experience that changes you and your life forever, your life is no longer your own. It can take a few years to come to terms with the experience and the news that is delivered, but yet deep within the heart of your soul you know that there is no choice but to spend your life serving God and doing Gods will.

Then all one can do is strive to be the best that one can be and honour the source at all times.

Glory be to God.

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Dear Venetian and Sacred Star,

First of all, it is very refreshing to find two people in a few moments that are warm of heart and follow it accordingly. Your opinions and advise (correct or incorrect - I don't know) truly come from the heart of your understanding and gives me a lot of food for thought.

For all the years that I have been working with spirit and guides to help others. It never felt right to call myself a medium, psychic etc. and still doesn't.

So far I call my profession: Spiritual Consultant.

Some of the things and issues mentioned by you (Sacred Star) in a way worries me in a nice way - so to say.

How many influential tradespeople would give up their trade and become prophets today?

Although cannot call myself a prophet but gave up top jobs in order to continue the work I am doing now. As a 21 year old, my "talents" were perceived as a burden not a gift.

I am asked to say that when you are called to work hand in hand with God there is always an annunciation delivered from the higher realms, so there can be no doubt at all, no confusion, no question of what you are ordained to do or be.
For instance when Archangel Gabriel made the announcement to the Virgin Mary of the incarnation is just one example.

I was never brought up with any religion and didn't know anything about angels.
But in the presence of 5 people we had two "announcements:
Michael & Gabriel and a visitation of Raphael.
Raphael was smiling and had a large sword on his back? We were healing with our development circle at the time.

Because of this rather amazing experience, bought tons of books to read about angels to find an explanation. Angels are found in so many different "unrelated religions"...

Like I said. I read the study bible from cover to cover, only to get rather frustrated and angry with the Old Testament. And delighted with the New Testament.

Sometimes I think that the God in the Old Testament is different then the God that Jesus was refering to.
There is such a big difference between the teachings.
I read the old testament with a thought in my mind as follows: There is a group of people that have looked for a haven in Egypt (because of their own lands being devastated by draught).
Yes they were slaves but were guided by one of their own who became the pharaoh's main man. For generations they have lived amongst one another until one of them decided to claim back their previous lands and wanted to take his people out of Egypt.

But God hardend the heart of the pharaoh and refused to let his people go. Why did God do that? Pretty evil. If God wouldn't have influenced the pharaoh, he would have probably let the people go? Then he didn't have to bombard Egypt with all these plagues etc.

The track out of Egypt is a track of murdering other tribes (children and women - whole communities). To me this is a band of people conquering land and commiting "genocide" and talked it alright by saying it is God's will.?

Anyway, I am harping on. The more I write the more complicated it becomes.[sm=nuts.gif]

Vonski

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And thus Joseph spake to Mary, "The carpentry business isn't going as well as I'd hoped. We need to make a little Prophet."

*runs*

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:D(GROAN.)

I can't find that anywhere in the canonical gospels, Darren. It must be from a gnosticc one?

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Dear DarrenFollowsThePath

Love it!

Hugs

Kim xx

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For all the years that I have been working with spirit and guides to help others. It never felt right to call myself a medium, psychic etc. and still doesn't. So far I call my profession: Spiritual Consultant.

Interesting I did not call myself a medium either I felt to lowly for that, I called myself a ‘healer of the mind’ Although mediums would come to me at exhibitions and ask ‘why do you not call yourself a medium, you are one you know.' Healers would come and say 'you are capable of doing a lot more than this' my response was 'I do not have all the pieces of the jigsaw yet' this was before the annunciation delivered by Mother Mary.

Although cannot call myself a prophet but gave up top jobs in order to continue the work I am doing now. As a 21 year old, my "talents" were perceived as a burden not a gift.

Ditto, I gave up two of my own companies, a six bedroomed house and all of my material possessions to do Gods will. However, I would not call myself a tradesperson maybe that is my perception of the word.

I was never brought up with any religion and didn't know anything about angels. But in the presence of 5 people we had two "announcements: Michael & Gabriel and a visitation of Raphael.
Raphael was smiling and had a large sword on his back? We were healing with our development circle at the time.

The annunciation is usually in private hence why Jesus tells people to pray alone and why he spent so much time alone with GOD.

Because of this rather amazing experience, bought tons of books to read about angels to find an explanation. Angels are found in so many different "unrelated religions"...

I understand, it was the same with me when I first started hearing a thundering voice outside of myself giving prophecy. I then went to our spiritual library and got recommended books on prophets and revelation. To try to understand more fully what was happening to me and to see if anyone else had received the same information as myself. I was particularly drawn to Edgar Cayce and Nostradamus.

Like I said. I read the study bible from cover to cover, only to get rather frustrated and angry with the Old Testament. And delighted with the New Testament.

Excellent!

I just lost the rest of my response so will come back to it when I get time.

Love beyond measure

Kim xx

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Kim, before you posted "I was particularly drawn to Edgar Cayce and Nostradamus."

Edgar Cayce came to mind on reading this thread last night. It was rather late but I hada quick peek on Google ….. and it WAS a quick peek since there are over 2 million results! ….. to see how he is described. On the first page:

"America's most documented psychic"
"the 'sleeping prophet'"
"Edgar Cayce predicted ….."
"telepathy"
"psychic and seer"

Laura.

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Dear Holistic

Yes when reading the book of his life 'The Sleeping Prophet' you can feel the sheer humility of this great man.

Here is a link for those that are interested to hear more of him and his work. He did a great deal of work with health so you could say in modern day language you could say he was a 'medical intuitive' I also feel he was a remote viewer.

"Since 1901, the information in the Cayce readings has been explored by individuals from every imaginable background and discipline. In addition to individuals from all walks and stations of life, this vast scope of materials has come to the attention of educators, historians, theologians, medical professionals, and scientists. No doubt, part of the attraction has been that regardless of the field of study, Cayce has continually proven himself years ahead of his time. Decades ago, he was emphasizing the importance of diet, attitudes, emotions, exercise, and the patient's role - physically, mentally, and spiritually - in the treatment of illness. As a result, he has been called "the father of holistic medicine" and has been recognized for describing the workings of the human body and foreseeing the direction of health care.

In the field of psychology, he has often been compared to Carl Jung. In the realm of education, he stands with Rudlolf Steiner. Dr. Richard H. Drummond, one of the world's most renowned theological scholars, called the Cayce information on spirituality "the finest devotional material of the 20th century."

In history, the Cayce readings gave insights into Judaism that were verified a decade after his death. In world affairs, he saw the collapse of communism nearly fifty years before it happened. Even in the field of physics, a professor and fellow of the American Physical Society theorized a connection between the elementary-particle theory and the way in which Edgar Cayce received his information. Repeatedly, science and history have validated concepts and ideas explored in Cayce's psychic information. The wealth of these insights has resulted in hundreds of books that explore various aspects of this man's life and work, not to mention foreign translations around the globe.  As fascinating as the breadth of the material and its accuracy is the activity level of Cayce's mind while he was in the reading state. It was not unusual for Edgar Cayce to be giving a reading, laying on his couch, somehow mentally in touch with another individual and his or her surroundings, activities, and relationships, providing answers to any question imaginable or any time-frame in history, and at the same time have a personal dream that Cayce could recall upon awakening."

It is many years since I read the book but I do not remember any mention of an annunciation.

I was first recommended to read 'The Sleeping Prophet' because when I first started receiving prophecy. Suddenly I would become extremely tired and had no choice but to sleep in the middle of the day and then after a while the loud voice would come, I would wake up and write down what was said.

I think it is important to add that just because someone receives prophecy it does not necessarily make them a prophet in the terms of the minor prophets of the bible or the way in which Venetian is describing. Maybe the revelation in the bible that all will receive prophecy, dreams and visions signify evenmore that GOD wishes to speak to all of his/her children directly. For this will impact greatly on humanity and create greater compassionate action than ever before. Another reason why religion is being swept away, our very own sacred union with the divine - with no separation. Thy will, will be done!

Yes I have received confirmation this is true and so those of us that know of this; have an important role to play in helping others to embrace change and be open to all revelation and the messengers of GOD. For revelation can be found everywhere when we are open to this reality.

Blessings in abundance

Kim xx

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Thanks for the link, Kim - one to return to later. You said:

I was first recommended to read 'The Sleeping Prophet' because when I first started receiving prophecy. Suddenly I would become extremely tired and had no choice but to sleep in the middle of the day and then after a while the loud voice would come, I would wake up and write down what was said.

This phenomenon (if that's the right word) of "crashing out" is one of which I havesome experience - but no loud voices 😀 - was once explained to me as a way of being better able to absorb the information directly into the subconscious, from where it will ultimately prove to be of greatest use.

If in the company of others this can be more than a little embarrassing, since it might be assumed one is tired or bored, when neither is the case, particularly if one is in a learning situation eg on a course!

It made sense to me though 🙂

Laura.

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Dear Holistic

Yes I can totally accept that and agree with what you say.

We are also often taken off in dream state of a night to study in the divine ashrams. Many times I have been urged to go to bed because they are waiting for me. LOL! 😉

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Hello Vonski,

Welcome to HP!

Some interesting posts here - and much that I agree with.

I went to the Merriam-Webster online dictionary for you. Under Medium, there was just one definition that fitted:

medium
GO-BETWEEN, INTERMEDIARY plural mediums : an individual held to be a channel of communication between the earthly world and a world of spirits

proph·et

1 : one who utters divinely inspired revelations; specifically often capitalized : the writer of one of the prophetic books of the Old Testament
2 : one gifted with more than ordinary spiritual and moral insight; especially : an inspired poet
3 : one who foretells future events : PREDICTOR
4 : an effective or leading spokesman for a cause, doctrine, or group
5 Christian Science a : a spiritual seer b : disappearance of material sense before the conscious facts of spiritual Truth

I must say that I was rather chuffed seeing that last definition as, being a student of Christian Science, it was one I was going to share with you.

To me, mediumship is purely in the mortal realm, dealing with human personalities, while a true prophet is communing with the divine Mind (God). As Mary Baker Eddy explains:

"There is mortal mind-reading and immortal Mind-reading. The latter is a revelation of divine purpose through spiritual understanding, by which man gains the divine Principle and explanation of all things. Mortal mind-reading and immortal Mind-reading are distinctly opposite standpoints, from which cause and effect are interpreted. The act of reading mortal mind investigates and touches only human beliefs. Science is immortal and coordinate neither with the premises nor with the conclusions of mortal beliefs." Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures p. 83)

Mary Baker Eddy lived with several spiritualists who befriended her in the early days of her discovery of Christian Science when she was reviled and misunderstood for her radical and revolutionary ideas (especially as they were coming from a woman!) Many early Christian Scientists came from the spiritualist community because, as Mrs Eddy found, they were "liberal, kind-hearted people, and were quite ready to accept new ideas." She thought very highly of their humanity and nature. (Mary Baker Eddy Gillian Gill p.179) However, during her deep search for Truth and healing, she researched many alternative therapies and other systems, including spiritualism, but found that nothing was high enough to answer her deepest questions except, as she understood it, healing which came direct from the Christ-power, the power which Jesus lived and demonstrated so profoundly.

On the same page of the book above, Gillian Gill tells of a time when Eddy attended a spiritualist meeting. The medium described an incident from her youth so perfectly that it brought tears to Eddy’s eyes. Then, as further "proof" one of the company asked the medium to describe Eddy’s mother: "Instantly I pictured in thought the exact opposite of my mother. The medium described precisely what I held in thought and the company beamed with satisfaction. "There," said they, "you have your proof."

Through such experiences, Eddy was convinced that this was a form of mind-reading. She had also learned how the human mind objectifies fear as dis-ease and wrote:

When I learned how mind produces disease on the body, I learned how it produces the manifestations ignorantly imputed to spirits. I saw how the mind's ideals were evolved and made tangible; and it matters not whether that ideal is a flower or a cancer, if the belief is strong enough to manifest it. (Christian Healing p. 6)

Mortals evolve images of thought. These may appear to the ignorant to be apparitions; but they are mysterious only because it is unusual to see thoughts, though we can always feel their influence. Haunted houses, ghostly voices, unusual noises, and apparitions brought out in dark seances either involve feats by tricksters, or they are images and

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RE: What is the difference between a prophet and a medium?

Prophecy and prophet are very similar words. And anyone can be a prophet if they are aperson who speaks by divine inspiration or asan interpreter through whom the will of a god is expressed(according to dictionary.com).So a medium and prophet can be one. Edgar Cayce is a good example. There are many prophets and mediumsarising in this decade. So it is common for many people to have mind powers in this day and age.

My prophecies are that mankind will collectively begin to unwravell the full potential of the brain in the next year. We will alsolater discover that our minds can govern the perception of time.

My theory supports my prophecy. When I was talking to my friends, one of them mentioned how if you think about what time it is at work(probably cause you just wanna go home), time goes slower, but if you dont think about it at all, then time goes by faster.

Also another interesting related story. I was talking to a friend who told me he had a vivid dream of his father dying in a hospital. Two weeks later it happened exactly the way he saw it in the dream. He told me he stopped having dreams of the future when he stopped being a kid.

I also have had dreams of the future, it can really suprise youhow accurate things can be.

Elyzual

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RE: What is the difference between a prophet and a medium?

ORIGINAL: Elyezual

So a medium and prophet can be one. Edgar Cayce is a good example.

For the record, I totally disagree!

One problem here, though, is semantics, and that's even more difficult when typing over the net. I'm referring to people meaning different things when using the same word - sometimes it can appear that people disagree when perhaps they don't, or not so much.

Cayce is a tough one. I'm not sure 'medium' in the usual sense certainly, or 'prophet' in the classic sense such as OT prophets fit him.

Cayce aside then, I think Judy sums up my view too. My view is in the Bible and quoted by Christians but I don't know it well enough to quote chapter and verse. :eek:To me a true prophet - what I personally mean by that word, is an individual working very closely with God - a mouthpiece of God in fact. It is NOT a psychic ability but a level of spiritual attainment. Whereas mediums may have any or no spiritual attainment - it's much like an ability such as having strong legs or an ability at maths - spiritual stature doesn't (much) come into it. And it's a psychic ability, which in Hinduism is called a siddhi . Siddhis are shunned by those who are on the Path straight to God, since they don't help but may hinder the Path, as Hinduism expresses most eloquently.

So my penny's-worth is that (as *I* use the two words anyway) far from being the same thing, you can't be a prophet if you're a medium and you can't be a medium if you're a prophet. (Maybe time to search for that hiding-behind-the-sofa smiley..)

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RE: What is the difference between a prophet and a medium?

Dear Elyezual

ORIGINAL: Elyezual

My prophecies are that mankind will collectively begin to unwravell the full potential of the brain in the next year. We will also later discover that our minds can govern the perception of time. My theory supports my prophecy. When I was talking to my friends, one of them mentioned how if you think about what time it is at work(probably cause you just wanna go home), time goes slower, but if you dont think about it at all, then time goes by faster.Elyzual

"The waters have broken
in the mind of man,
get ready for the birth
of the new adam.
Positive human being." from Sacred Words

As far as time is concerned scientists know that we are losing time the day is getting shorter, some liken it to the quickening.

Yes all are being guided directly this is the divine plan. I posted a thread the other day from the corporate sector and how research proves that people are becoming much more intuitive and there have always been sensitives. That is the whole point of spiritual attainment to become more sensitive (in conscious awareness) to be in tune with the soul, once the soul is purified it can then merge with the holy spirit. The lover and the beloved, the sacred union with the divine in oneness with the source in the heart of perfect divine love. The Sufi's and Gnostics are prime examples of this sacred union with the divine.

Revelation is everywhere because God is everywhere.

My heart tells me that these terms of psychic, medium etc will all fall by the wayside in time because everyone has the natural ability to be sentient and communicate with the divine. These terms simply stand to keep people in separation and ultimately are just more labels.

All can be one with the source.

I remember ten years ago I was telling mediums and psychics that to make hay while the sun shines, because the day will come when people will no longer need their advice because they will all have their own connection with the divine.

Love beyond measure

Kim xx

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RE: What is the difference between a prophet and a medium?

Dear Judy

ORIGINAL: Principled

proph·et

1 : one who utters divinely inspired revelations; specifically often capitalized : the writer of one of the prophetic books of the Old Testament
2 : one gifted with more than ordinary spiritual and moral insight; especially : an inspired poet
3 : one who foretells future events : PREDICTOR
4 : an effective or leading spokesman for a cause, doctrine, or group
5 Christian Science a : a spiritual seer b : disappearance of material sense before the conscious facts of spiritual Truth

This is a good definition. However, one should point out that a Seer is the ancient name for a Clairvoyant. Clairvoyance means clear seeing and a Seer means one that sees, one who sees into the future e.g. prophecy. A seer has visions in the same way that the prophets of the OT had visions. Clairaudience is one who hears and clairsentience one who feels/senses.

Add the annuncation to the above list that you provided from the dictionary and I think we have a very good list to define a prophet in the traditional sense.

Love beyond measure

Kim xx

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RE: What is the difference between a prophet and a medium?

Hello Kim!

The annunciation is usually in private hence why Jesus tells people to pray alone and why he spent so much time alone with GOD.

*However, The holy spirit decendend upon Jesus in front of John the baptist and all his disciples.(and whomever else was around).
* Moments before he was betrayed, he asked God to pass the cup. This communication was witnessed on his request by his disciples (although they fell asleep through the most of it).

And All of you.... Thanks for the links and books you recommend. Very usefull!

Hello Judy,

Lots of food for thought.

medium
GO-BETWEEN, INTERMEDIARY plural mediums : an individual held to be a channel of communication between the earthly world and a world of spirits

A channel indeed. Spirits (plural) this can include the masters the "spirit sent by God" (Again see old testament) etc.

However, Interesting thing is Like Kim, I never felt comfortable calling myself a psychic/medium etc. Hence I look for a suitable description to the work I am doing.

I can foresee the future BUT.... it is changeable. It is shown in order to change "our" ways.
I litterally guide my customers to what path is the best to take.
However the need here isto be actively involved and not to be "expectant"(passive).
The get the Active and Passive path (in other words what will happen when they deal with a particular obstacle and what will happen if they postpone, wait, ignore etc.).
Either one or the other path comes out. Depending on their action or inaction. The result is that once it has come out (for example: the negative path) they come back and dare to make the changes for the positive.

To me, mediumship is purely in the mortal realm, dealing with human personalities, while a true prophet is communing with the divine Mind (God).

That's to a certain degree my opinion. However, many a medium claims to work withmasters, Jesus, Angels etc. If they are genuine, how would you call this? Because they will fall right in between the Prophet and the most commonly "judged" form of Medium.

When it comes to "mediumship". My experience iswhen I percieve spirit with my customers they are mainly guardians and guides that will give evidence ofloved ones but they come through mainly to show the issuesthe person self needs to attend to or pay attention to living "loved ones"who need aid or guidance instead.
Mainly the guidance for others comes through me by the master that guides me.The main experience I have forspirit visiting is for guidance to the person and not proof of afterlife.

Also to me "spirit" is, a general word for everything "super-natural"
God sent his angels, or he sents the Holy Spirit but also:Spirit Messengers, Here it doesn't determine who the spirit messengers are.

To me the description of Mediumis mainly another word for "tool". When it comes to describing "Psychic" It is the tool used to perceive. Clair-voyant/audient etc.
And then you have fortune-tellers?? Who claim to be either one or the other or both.

Sometimes, I think confusion also exists because everybody has a different perception of who is who and what is what.

Hello Elyezuel,

Also another interesting related story. I was talking to a friend who told me he had a vivid dream of his father dying in a hospital. Two weeks later it happened exactly the way he saw it in the dream. He told me he stopped having dreams of the future when he stopped being a kid.

In my experience when somebody's passing is foretold, the person this message is for should consider themselves "Blessed". As this allows the Loved Ones to spend some "quality" time with the "dying" and sort out some "earthly" issues before it is too late.

Again to me, the purpose of these happenings has the r

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RE: What is the difference between a prophet and a medium?

I think I need to slightly elaborate on this:

ORIGINAL: venetian

So my penny's-worth is that (as *I* use the two words anyway) far from being the same thing, you can't be a prophet if you're a medium and you can't be a medium if you're a prophet.

That's because in not only MHO but in the opinion of all mystics I know of, the two work at different levels and you can't work at both.

One who is a mouthpiece of God (genuine prophet, and in fact an initiate) would lose that standing if he/she lowered himself/herself to dealing with the astral plane, which is a plane of illusion and human emotion and whimsy. (For example, most communications supposed to be from the dead are in fact from the medium's unconscious, or from a thought-form created by all present). Prophets don't get involved in those levels of illusion and maya.

On the other hand, a medium could only become a prophet (again IMHO but not only by any means just in mine) if they were first "healed" of their opening to the astral plane. Nothing of good ever comes from the astral plane, and any opening to that level must be healed and closed before one could ever be initiated into a higher walk with God. Prophets are initiates, and by definition that means they are not opened to the maya and illusions of the astral, which is somewhat of a sewer to be honest. [&o]

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RE: What is the difference between a prophet and a medium?

Hi Venetian,

One who is a mouthpiece of God (genuine prophet, and in fact an initiate) would lose that standing if he/she lowered himself/herself to dealing with the astral plane,

Agree. Most mediums work with the Astral. To me the Astral is the filtering system. Negative and positive resides there.

Never worked with spirit from the Astral apart from "rescuing" (Grounded or lost spirit). Don't forget that Jesus also told "evil spirits" to leave a person's body. Maria Magdalene had seven!

Vonski

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RE: What is the difference between a prophet and a medium?

ORIGINAL: Vonski

That's to a certain degree my opinion. However, many a medium claims to work withmasters, Jesus, Angels etc. If they are genuine, how would you call this?

That's an important question and there have been at least several threads on it.

I go back to original sources as to me they are the most trustworthy. Nobody had even heard of the Masters until Theosophy and the Mahatma Letters, along with all the physical visits the Masters made to many disciples in the late 1800s. At that time the real and authentic Masters, when they came into public view for the first time,stated clearly and without doubt that they never communicate through mediums (or, also,what today are called 'channels'). They wrote on this and explained it at length in Their Letters to disciples. They explained that such mediums or channels who think they are in touch with Masters are in a state of illusion, and they clearly explained that it's usually a kind of split-brain phenomenon. The 'master' supposedly communicating is in those cases a part of their own subconscious.

They stated that Masters don't speak through mediums, period.

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RE: What is the difference between a prophet and a medium?

Hi venetian!

They stated that Masters don't speak through mediums, period.

Ah, But there is a writing in the Old Testament (Kings). Can't remember the king's name this quick (need to look it up). But he sought advise of a medium and she said to him along the lines "What are you doing here / to me? (Scared of the wrath of God). Anyway one of the "prophets" visited the medium to relay the message to the King. (This was in the time of the King to be "David"). She foretold through this prophets visit that this King would find his death and how.

I'll look up the passage of the OT.

Vonski

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