Always an interesting subject
You have to look at the old shamans
Liberally using herbs and the like
To help them on their journeys
Today it is fronded upon
The natural approach is expected
However, who’s natural approach?

In the beginning seeker is barred from using intoxicants, drugs etc to break the old habits of mind, to make it more aware. More like breaking off point for the conditioned mind rather than a rebuke. When mind is immature it needs precise directions in the right way but as it begins to settle down, it grasps the essence of teaching rather than holding on to words and what it understands by it When the mind begins to mature, it does not remember words, but the essence of them is silently absorbed. Until that happens Most paths/methods make it easier for the seeker...making the path straight and narrow in the beginning, when the mind is matured enough it naturally stays on track. So pointings about alco, drugs are untill mind settles down and sharpened in awareness

As one grows deeper, rules diminish. Then disappear totally. drink if that is what wants to happen in a moment, don't if it doesn't. Its neither craved nor pushed away.
Lord Shiva with his marijuana, Native Americans with their herbs...and some other cultures have utilized intoxications to touch space that is generally not available under normal day to day consciousness.
Many people especially in west, start looking for no-mind after consuming magic mushrooms. They have experienced a glimpse of something beyond mind, even if under influence of drugs, they become seekers. That glimpse lures them to chase Truth. It does n't matter what gets you started. Get started. Tomothy Leery with LCD, is also another example of the same. When Truth wants to reveal itself in you, it will have your attention. Everything and everything will only ever point towards Truth.
The only thing is to hone the desire to find that is the only thing worth finding...

I've initiated this thread because it's a topic that's seldom addressed in spiritual circles.
You can find alcohol threads in the Addictions and General Health categories, which are in one way related, although entirely different to what we are talking about.

Not true on Healthypages. We've had plenty of discussion before about veggie/veganism and spirituality, and about drinking and spirituality.

Personally I agree with Ruby, Whilst it helps our awareness by not having influences of the mind so that we can become aware of our true spiritual selves, in themselves they do not prevent spirituality, and to say things like "a vegetarian / vegan diet is the only true spirital one" etc. is imho, a load of limiting and controlling rubbish, pushed out there by those who wish to boost their own ego's. For example, let's look at those remote spiritual communities, in say tibet or wherever, who don't have the environment to grow or live on food that is vegan. They rely on being able to rear animals and eat meat when necessary.... does that stop them from truly being spiritual.... no. Likewise, one could argue that being vegan (for example) is not truly spiritual, as all life, including plants have a right to live naturally... so the fruitarians out there could be shouting "the only true spiritual path is through a fruitarian diet".... but then we could also argue that eating the fruit of a plant, prevents it's natural progression, if the seeds are not distributed and grown as the plant intends... etc. So who's right? I would say the ones who show awareness, gratitude and respect for all things, even when they're life leads them to eat those things.

In time I realised that all of the above, and more, were gumpf.
They are based on an over-intellectualisation,
and an under-intuitisation of understanding.

I’ve witnessed many occasions where alcohol has served as a beneficial mechanism to aid spiritual development, progress which wouldn’t have been made to the same extent without the use of –OH.

None of those involved were / are alcoholics.

All this said, and interestingly enough,
there are very few clear articles on this subject area.

Not sure how much these things would benefit spiritual development, I would say they wouldn't myself. Though of course it is recognised in some spiritual practices, certainly in tribal shamanic (and I use that term loosely just in case Crowan is reading :D) traditions that the use of certain mind alterering substances is supposed to put one in touch with the spirits or whatever, and is considered very spiritual. Won't be doing that myself though. 😉

All Love and Reiki Hugs

I’ve witnessed many occasions where alcohol has served as a beneficial mechanism to aid spiritual development, progress which wouldn’t have been made to the same extent without the use of –OH.

Care to go into more detail? 🙂

I think a lot depends on what you mean by 'spiritual path' I regard myself as being on a spiritual path, but I am NOT vegetarian, and do sometimes drink alcohol (sometimes means less than once a week normally!)

I think a healthy diet is vital for a healthy body, and I believe the health of body, mind, and spirit are closely linked.

I have no doubt I would make a very bad buddhist monk - but my spiritual path does not call for me a buddhist monk - it calls for me to be a reiki healer.

I am living in a way that supports MY spiritual path. However I have profound respect for those called to paths I could never follow, who will therefore make very different life style choices

I think a lot depends on what you mean by 'spiritual path' I regard myself as being on a spiritual path, but I am NOT vegetarian, and do sometimes drink alcohol (sometimes means less than once a week normally!)

I think a healthy diet is vital for a healthy body, and I believe the health of body, mind, and spirit are closely linked.

I have no doubt I would make a very bad buddhist monk - but my spiritual path does not call for me a buddhist monk - it calls for me to be a reiki healer.

I am living in a way that supports MY spiritual path. However I have profound respect for those called to paths I could never follow, who will therefore make very different life style choices

"Spiritual path" in modern times encompasses a wide range of activities such as body-mind connection, being psychic, channeling, healings, yoga, healthy eating, keeping body fit, getting rid of issues of mind, working on mind/body harmony, issue free etc etc All kinds of self-help is included under the umbrella of spirituality.

All the above is self-help. To help wade through life with ease. TO be more comfortable in one's own skin and make better sense of the world and everything else that happens to a person.

Self-help and spiritual have been confused to be one in last 20-30 years only (mostly since Reriki was brought into West by Takata and then spread like wild fire) body/mind and reality and to retrain/learn how to function in the best possible way in life. How to look after the persona in the best possible way. how to be healthy balanced in mind and body and peace everywhere...it may seem spiritual but it is all self-help.

Spiritual, however is the great unlearning. The crumbling of persona that is held together meticulously. Spirituality has had only one quest die as a separation. To go beyond persona and see the body is not you, mind is not you, Primordial essence that was never born that never dies. That quest alone is spiritual. Spiritual path is not a life-style- as it has become that in the recent decades.

Spirituality is a different dynamic altogether. It is a disenchantment with body/mind the dream that mostly know as reality. It is pointed movement away from dream towards the one that is dreaming this dream. To awaken from dream is spirituality. Rest is all entertainment for mind. Healings/self-help/therapies etc are side show. They have nothing to do with spirit. Your Self is not dependent on self-help.

Self-help can actually hinder spiritual path as so much investment to make the dream better rather than seeing it for what it is.It is a very nice life-style. It is not the real deal. Real deal is to die unto the separation that "i" exist as a separation to whole. That needs a totally different approach to healings/therapies, honing one's psychic/healing gifts.

One needs to wake up. Waking up from dream, going beyond known to utter unknowing- needs devotion, dis-enchantment with body/mind dynamic, having to become better etc etc. Surrender, absolute surrender is spirituality. The dissolving of personal I unto the whole.

"Spiritual path" in modern times encompasses a wide range of activities such as body-mind connection, being psychic, channeling, healings, yoga, healthy eating, keeping body fit, getting rid of issues of mind, working on mind/body harmony, issue free etc etc All kinds of self-help is included under the umbrella of spirituality.

All the above is self-help. To help wade through life with ease. TO be more comfortable in one's own skin and make better sense of the world and everything else that happens to a person.

Self-help and spiritual have been confused to be one in last 20-30 years only (mostly since Reriki was brought into West by Takata and then spread like wild fire) body/mind and reality and to retrain/learn how to function in the best possible way in life. How to look after the persona in the best possible way. how to be healthy balanced in mind and body and peace everywhere...it may seem spiritual but it is all self-help.

Spiritual, however is the great unlearning. The crumbling of persona that is held together meticulously. Spirituality has had only one quest die as a separation. To go beyond persona and see the body is not you, mind is not you, Primordial essence that was never born that never dies. That quest alone is spiritual. Spiritual path is not a life-style- as it has become that in the recent decades.

Spirituality is a different dynamic altogether. It is a disenchantment with body/mind the dream that mostly know as reality. It is pointed movement away from dream towards the one that is dreaming this dream. To awaken from dream is spirituality. Rest is all entertainment for mind. Healings/self-help/therapies etc are side show. They have nothing to do with spirit. Your Self is not dependent on self-help.

Self-help can actually hinder spiritual path as so much investment to make the dream better rather than seeing it for what it is.It is a very nice life-style. It is not the real deal. Real deal is to die unto the separation that "i" exist as a separation to whole. That needs a totally different approach to healings/therapies, honing one's psychic/healing gifts.

One needs to wake up. Waking up from dream, going beyond known to utter unknowing- needs devotion, dis-enchantment with body/mind dynamic, having to become better etc etc. Surrender, absolute surrender is spirituality. The dissolving of personal I unto the whole.

Jnani, you often talk about "learnt crap" in regards to spirituality. Where did you learn all of this?

Reading this thread reinforces the understanding that led me to let go of spiritual development and pursue personal development.

I perceive that we are already complete within the fullness of self and anything which we do here has no bearing upon our true higher self.

I do not understand why people are prepared to ignore the life experience that they have come here to experience as it unfolds around them, in the hope that they will improve on that which is already complete.

Personal development is about letting go of separateness and becoming one with the fullness of self, so that we can get on and embrace our life experience in whichever way we choose to do so, outside of this physical reality there is no time, so working towards a future hope of development outside of this current experience seems to be a complete waste of a life experience.

Reading this thread reinforces the understanding that led me to let go of spiritual development and pursue personal development.

I perceive that we are already complete within the fullness of self and anything which we do here has no bearing upon our true higher self.

I do not understand why people are prepared to ignore the life experience that they have come here to experience as it unfolds around them, in the hope that they will improve on that which is already complete.

Paul, you say that you do not understand why people are prepared to ignore the life experience that they have come here to experience as it unfolds around them in the hope that they will improve on that which is already complete - isn't this you judging "other" ? Ignoring life experience is an experience in itself, isn't it?

Hi Wildstrawberry

I suppose that it could be perceived that way, but I think that am just acknowledging the distraction. 🙂

Paul
I agree there is no separation (unless we choose to believe there is)

Sure people choose to do all kinds of stuff that is supposedly spiritual, sadly the truth of those pursuits is that they often make life harder.

Spirituality is beyond words and knowledge, it just is. Self help yeah spot on but the spiritual has a better ring to it

Equally we all have to start somewhere..but with time some come to realize that so much of what we choose to learn is simply not needed it actually gets in the way. Then the choice can be made to allow ourselves to go beyond knowledge.

Hi Steve

Yes, it can be a long journey that leads us to the point where we stop trying to be and simply allow ourselves to be. 🙂

Paul
I agree there is no separation (unless we choose to believe there is)

Sure people choose to do all kinds of stuff that is supposedly spiritual, sadly the truth of those pursuits is that they often make life harder.

Spirituality is beyond words and knowledge, it just is. Self help yeah spot on but the spiritual has a better ring to it

Equally we all have to start somewhere..but with time some come to realize that so much of what we choose to learn is simply not needed it actually gets in the way. Then the choice can be made to allow ourselves to go beyond knowledge.

Hi Steve,:)

Your use of the word "knowledge" here...do you mean 'head' knowledge? Knowledge consumed from outside sources (books, teachers etc), or is that my overlay?

To me, that which is given by teachers and books is "information". It only becomes "knowledge" when you test the information for yourself and find it to be true (or false as the case may be!).

All Love and Reiki Hugs

To me, that which is given by teachers and books is "information". It only becomes "knowledge" when you test the information for yourself and find it to be true (or false as the case may be!).

All Love and Reiki Hugs

Hi Giles,

I'm not exactly eloquent at the moment, so I don't know if I'll be able to describe what I mean:(.

But, let's say: At some point we start to mistrust "information" given to us from outside sources - other people. Whatever the means (via direct interaction, via books, workshops; media etc etc.) you realize that other people can be talking about things that they haven't experiences for themselves; casually passing on misinformation; just trying to earn a living etc etc etc. Basically, at some point, you aren't willing to take another persons word for anything.

....so, you're saying, that you (Giles) test the information from outside sources and at that point information (be it True or False) becomes knowledge (that's what you're saying, isn't it, unless I've misunderstood?).

What I'm trying to say is: Propelled by a dissatisfaction; an attempt to resolve life issues, one embarks on one's journey, setting off from Point A. One reaches Point B, having gathered 'knowledge' along the way.

I would say, that if the initial dissatisfaction which propelled one to journey outward from Point A, remains intact even on reaching Point B, then the knowledge gathered along the way (from A-B), will be 'head' knowledge. Because, (to me) it is the underlying dissatisfaction which needs to crack open and break in order to simultaneously take one deeper into oneself and rise up - going deeper to get a higher - which to me would be True Knowledge (knowing), and not 'heady' information crunching.

Hi Giles,

I'm not exactly eloquent at the moment, so I don't know if I'll be able to describe what I mean:(.

But, let's say: At some point we start to mistrust "information" given to us from outside sources - other people. Whatever the means (via direct interaction, via books, workshops; media etc etc.) you realize that other people can be talking about things that they haven't experiences for themselves; casually passing on misinformation; just trying to earn a living etc etc etc. Basically, at some point, you aren't willing to take another persons word for anything.

....so, you're saying, that you (Giles) test the information from outside sources and at that point information (be it True or False) becomes knowledge (that's what you're saying, isn't it, unless I've misunderstood?).

Yep, that's pretty much what I'm saying. Never take anyones word for it, put it to the test yourself. Of course some things take longer to test than others. 😉

What I'm trying to say is: Propelled by a dissatisfaction; an attempt to resolve life issues, one embarks on one's journey, setting off from Point A. One reaches Point B, having gathered 'knowledge' along the way.

I would say, that if the initial dissatisfaction which propelled one to journey outward from Point A, remains intact even on reaching Point B, then the knowledge gathered along the way (from A-B), will be 'head' knowledge.

Or maybe valid knowledge, but just not relevant to the issue you're trying to solve at that point in time.

Because, (to me) it is the underlying dissatisfaction which needs to crack open and break in order to simultaneously take one deeper into oneself and rise up - going deeper to get a higher - which to me would be True Knowledge (knowing), and not 'heady' information crunching.

Or perhaps consider that information or even knowledge from outside cannot resolve issues that come from within, though they can help to aid awareness of that fact.

All Love and Reiki Hugs

Yep, that's pretty much what I'm saying. Never take anyones word for it, put it to the test yourself. Of course some things take longer to test than others. 😉

What's that little wink about?......?

Or maybe valid knowledge, but just not relevant to the issue you're trying to solve at that point in time.

Or perhaps consider that information or even knowledge from outside cannot resolve issues that come from within, though they can help to aid awareness of that fact.

I think we might be saying the same thing(?): Whether you're trying to be issue free (clear your karma, would be another way of putting it) via the means of the 'happiness' promised by a teacher/guru; or via the means the 'happiness' gleaned from the purchase of a shiny new car..... it's not going to be fixed from the outside.

God Speaks & Alcohol

Reading some of the above posts reminds me that God Speaks
was written to appease the intellectual convulsions of the mind,
that one of the tags of this thread is over-intellectualism.

Back to alcohol,
the above also reminded me that Meher Baba used to run a toddy shop (fermented palm)
in Pune in his twenties. He built up a large clientele of people would seek his advice,
largely alcoholics and drug addicts.

Alcohol was his interface with these people,
and the only mechanism through which he got to work with them.
His 'therapy clinic' was cunningly disguised as a tin shack serving palm toddy.

Reading some of the above posts reminds me that God Speaks
was written to appease the intellectual convulsions of the mind,
that one of the tags of this thread is over-intellectualism.

On the God Speak thread you're saying God Speaks was written and then it's left up to the reader to choose what they wish to do with the information.

Back to alcohol,
the above also reminded me that Meher Baba used to run a toddy shop (fermented palm)
in Pune in his twenties. He built up a large clientele of people would seek his advice,
largely alcoholics and drug addicts.

Alcohol was his interface with these people,
and the only mechanism through which he got to work with them.
His 'therapy clinic' was cunningly disguised as a tin shack serving palm toddy.

What happened when he no longer ran the toddy shop? Why was alcohol needed as an interface and a mechanism?

Hay WS

Well yes...and no...:)

My understanding never came from books but i agree with your term head knowledge meaning books etc. All that i have learnt has come from TBU (yup its them again) and no they are not separate from me =)

But when i look back over a number of years much of what was revealed then has been allowed to fall away because its simply not needed anymore, at lest not by me. But all those insights and ways of moving forward are authentic and valid and can be passed on to others as a way of helping them grow; hence my ebook and its complete simplicity

Like i said everyone has to start somewhere and as such are unlikely to believe or understand the phrase ' knowledge gets in the way' right off the bat =)

Then the choice is with the individual as to how far they grow/evolve. They can never be me its simply not possible, but they can understand who they are.

One can never be as another is or was

Oh yeah i have been known to enjoy a beer or two =)

Intellectual Convulsions

On the God Speak thread you're saying God Speaks was written and then it's left up to the reader to choose what they wish to do with the information.

What happened when he no longer ran the toddy shop? Why was alcohol needed as an interface and a mechanism?

You're intellectually convulsing again, WildStrawberry.

You're intellectually convulsing again, WildStrawberry.

No, you're being evasive:D;):p

Hay WS

Well yes...and no...:)

My understanding never came from books but i agree with your term head knowledge meaning books etc. All that i have learnt has come from TBU (yup its them again) and no they are not separate from me =)

But when i look back over a number of years much of what was revealed then has been allowed to fall away because its simply not needed anymore, at lest not by me. But all those insights and ways of moving forward are authentic and valid and can be passed on to others as a way of helping them grow; hence my ebook and its complete simplicity

Like i said everyone has to start somewhere and as such are unlikely to believe or understand the phrase ' knowledge gets in the way' right off the bat =)

Then the choice is with the individual as to how far they grow/evolve. They can never be me its simply not possible, but they can understand who they are.

One can never be as another is or was

Oh yeah i have been known to enjoy a beer or two =)

Hi Steve,

I understand what your saying. Looks, it' seems like I'm backing people into a corner for no apparent reason again:rolleyes:. Think it's wearing a bit thin now - I'm getting dizzy myself :D;).

Thank You (once again);)!

PS. I don't mind a Jack Daniels and Coke, on occasion - it's the only thing that doesn't give me a hangover!

Hi WildStrawberry and Giles

Some interesting points surrounding the use of information and knowledge pertaining to resolving inner conflicts from an external source, unfortunately to my understanding, that understanding will not easily resolve an inner conflict.

An inner conflict is a belief in two opposing things at the same time which creates inner disharmony, although the original belief as well as the new one that is in conflict with the original belief are both created by our everyday thinking aspect of consciousness (thinking mind) the original belief does not live in the thinking aspect of consciousness, it lives in separate aspect of our consciousness which is our core way of being aspect of consciousness.

The reality is that it takes more than one to create an argument, just ask yourself how many times you have had a thought and said to yourself, that is ridiculous or I do not believe that. 😉

So if we apply the understanding that you have both used, that external information will not resolve an inner conflict, when that information is applied to our everyday thinking aspect of consciousness, then that is quite true, for the person then has to attempt to make sense of the information given to them in relation to their existing understanding and beliefs, and then gain the understanding of how to apply it internally within the fullness of self to resolve the inner conflict.

However if the underlying belief is tackled directly at it source within the core way of being aspect of consciousness, to transform one core belief into another core belief that does not conflict with what they now wish to believe, then the inner conflict can actually be transformed from an external source. 😉

Hi Jnani

I have been pondering and trying to make sense of the word unknowing within the context of the way that you are using it!

Let me give you an example of what I have come up with, when I first created the Gaia-Now modality, I had a knowing about the Now, but I had at that time not got the full conceptual understanding that would allow me to make full use of it in my life experience or healing work, but all the same I knew it was real and I knew that it was going to play a big role in the modality that I had created, so it was put into the title in the knowing that I would gain the understanding to make sense of it later on, which has happened.

Another one was the oneness, I knew that on some level we where all one, but until I had managed to merge with the fullness of self and the oneness, it was just a knowing, now it is a reality, is this what you mean by unknowing, something perceived but not yet understood?

What's that little wink about?......?

Nothing personal to yourself, but just to all who read, meaning that people expect to learn something, and it be obviously useful or not straight away, and if not they typically discard it to the point that they mark it as 'permanently rejected' even if it could later be understood better once they 'fill in some gaps'. If that makes sense. I guess it's a way of saying that, even if we don't accept something now, we should always maintain an open mind.

I think we might be saying the same thing(?): Whether you're trying to be issue free (clear your karma, would be another way of putting it) via the means of the 'happiness' promised by a teacher/guru; or via the means the 'happiness' gleaned from the purchase of a shiny new car..... it's not going to be fixed from the outside.

Yep, that's about it. Example, Buddhism can teach you that happiness does not come from attachment to material things, but that teaching itself cannot make you happy, only you can use that teaching to help your own awareness of why material things don't make you happy, and change things for yourself... and you don't need to be a buddhist either... 😀

Hi WildStrawberry and Giles

Some interesting points surrounding the use of information and knowledge pertaining to resolving inner conflicts from an external source, unfortunately to my understanding, that understanding will not easily resolve an inner conflict.

Not quite what I was saying. I was saying that the information and knowledge will allow us to improve our awareness of where the conflicts actually reside so that we can make the choice to resolve them. People typically believe the the cause of their conflicts is external to themselves (created by something "other") but various information can be put to the test to help them become aware of where the conflict is really being created.

An inner conflict is a belief in two opposing things at the same time which creates inner disharmony

Yep, duality created conflict. 🙂

, although the original belief as well as the new one that is in conflict with the original belief are both created by our everyday thinking aspect of consciousness (thinking mind) the original belief does not live in the thinking aspect of consciousness, it lives in separate aspect of our consciousness which is our core way of being aspect of consciousness.

I think I know what you're saying, but at the same time I'm confused by what you say.
If duality creates conflict then how can the truth be that the original belief lives in a "seperate" aspect of consicousness. Or is that the point... you're saying that because the original belief has been taken into the core of our consciousness and this other belief has come along which isn't in the core, we get the conflict?

So if we apply the understanding that you have both used, that external information will not resolve an inner conflict, when that information is applied to our everyday thinking aspect of consciousness, then that is quite true, for the person then has to attempt to make sense of the information given to them in relation to their existing understanding and beliefs, and then gain the understanding of how to apply it internally within the fullness of self to resolve the inner conflict.

However if the underlying belief is tackled directly at it source within the core way of being aspect of consciousness, to transform one core belief into another core belief that does not conflict with what they now wish to believe, then the inner conflict can actually be transformed from an external source. 😉

I thought I was following it for a minute there.... 😮

Perhaps you could explain with an example/analogy scenario.

However I think we're drifting a little from the original topic.... (perhaps we need to start a new thread discussing information and knowledge, and the core beliefs of consciousness?)

Spiritual Nut said...

Back to alcohol,
the above also reminded me that Meher Baba used to run a toddy shop (fermented palm)
in Pune in his twenties. He built up a large clientele of people would seek his advice,
largely alcoholics and drug addicts.

Alcohol was his interface with these people,
and the only mechanism through which he got to work with them.
His 'therapy clinic' was cunningly disguised as a tin shack serving palm toddy.

But surely that is just the attachment of the addicts to the substance... do we know how much those people were actually helped by the teachings or have a comparitive study showing that those who received the same/similar teachings without the alcohol did or didn't learn the teachings more effectively?

All Love and Reiki Hugs

My posts have gone haywire:D Try to ignore this one....

Nothing personal to yourself, but just to all who read, meaning that people expect to learn something, and it be obviously useful or not straight away, and if not they typically discard it to the point that they mark it as 'permanently rejected' even if it could later be understood better once they 'fill in some gaps'. If that makes sense. I guess it's a way of saying that, even if we don't accept something now, we should always maintain an open mind.

Yep, that's about it. Example, Buddhism can teach you that happiness does not come from attachment to material things, but that teaching itself cannot make you happy, only you can use that teaching to help your own awareness of why material things don't make you happy, and change things for yourself... and you don't need to be a buddhist either... 😀

Right, Thanks, I understand what you're saying.

Spiritual Nut said...

Back to alcohol,
the above also reminded me that Meher Baba used to run a toddy shop (fermented palm)
in Pune in his twenties. He built up a large clientele of people would seek his advice,
largely alcoholics and drug addicts.

Alcohol was his interface with these people,
and the only mechanism through which he got to work with them.
His 'therapy clinic' was cunningly disguised as a tin shack serving palm toddy.

But surely that is just the attachment of the addicts to the substance... do we know how much those people were actually helped by the teachings or have a comparitive study showing that those who received the same/similar teachings without the alcohol did or didn't learn the teachings more effectively?

Which is why I was asking Spiritual Nut to go into more detail. Wondering, about Spiritual Nut's subjective opinion.

Hi Giles

Not quite what I was saying. I was saying that the information and knowledge will allow us to improve our awareness of where the conflicts actually reside so that we can make the choice to resolve them. People typically believe the the cause of their conflicts is external to themselves (created by something "other") but various information can be put to the test to help them become aware of where the conflict is really being created.

But that does not help them to resolve them. 🙂

I think I know what you're saying, but at the same time I'm confused by what you say.
If duality creates conflict then how can the truth be that the original belief lives in a "seperate" aspect of consicousness. Or is that the point... you're saying that because the original belief has been taken into the core of our consciousness and this other belief has come along which isn't in the core, we get the conflict?

That is the nub of the problem, we can intellectualise all we want in our thinking aspect of consciousness, but our core way of being does not intellectualise, it is a way of being and needs addressing in a different way. 😉

Perhaps you could explain with an example/analogy scenario.

If we have been told something over and over and have accepted that as true, let us say that we are not good enough, then we have created and embraced a belief that we are not good enough, that belief is passed down to our core way of being, so that in future, whenever we think of something that this belief concerns, our core way of being will be whatever that underlying belief instructs it to be, which in this case is 'not good enough'.

So we try and help someone by intellectualising with them and showing them that they are good enough and outline what they have managed to achieve for themselves, which is all done in our thinking aspect of consciousness, but when they attempt to internalise the new belief which our talking has given them, they can't, they will say that all that we have said to them is true, 'BUT', the but is from the old belief, it is not an intellectual property, it is a core way of being which is underlying the inner conflict.

To remove the conflict we need to address the underlying belief and transform it directly, not through an intellectual process but through reprogramming it to reflect the new belief that the person is attempting to internalise directly where it resides within consciousness.