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[color="#0000ff"]Stages In Worship Of Lord
In the first stage, a servant is sitting and singing on the owner without doing any work. He is asking the remuneration for his song from the owner. The owner refuses remuneration because the singer has already got happiness by singing and that happiness itself is the remuneration. One cannot get two remunerations for single work even if you treat the singing as a work. In the second stage the servant is doing work and is also singing. The owner will pay for his work only but not for the song. The servant is singing while he is doing the work in order to get happiness to forget the tiredness in the work. Therefore, here also only the work is remunerated but not the song. In the third stage the servant is advised to stop singing because his energy is wasted in the song. If he works without singing all his energy can be concentrated in the work and the servant will get more remuneration. In this third stage it is only an advice but the servant is not blamed for singing. Singing is not wrong at all. But singing has no remuneration.
Similarly in the first stage people pray and express devotion without proving their love in action. In this stage the people are getting the peace and bliss by the prayers and expression of devotion. They cannot charge the Lord again for their prayers and devotion. In the second stage people participate in the mission of the Lord by sacrificing the work and the fruit of the work. While working for the Lord, they pray and sing devotional songs, which give them peace and happiness. Their prayers and songs are not wrong at all. But they will get the fruit from the Lord for their work only and not for their prayers (words) and for their devotion (mind).
In the third stage they are advised to stop the prayers and expression of devotion by practicing silence and control of mind. The reason for this is that they can store their energy, which is wasted in prayers, and devotion and which cannot bring any fruit from the Lord. The energy wasted in these two channels can be diverted to the work only and more work can be done so that they can get a better fruit from the Lord. Of course, they should not expect any fruit for their work. Then only the Lord is pleased and will give the real fruit. But if they concentrate all their energy in the work only, they can get a better real fruit from the Lord though they do not aspire for any fruit.
Please note that we are not finding fault with the prayers and devotion. We are only saying that you are wasting your energy in those two channels, which cannot bring any fruit from the Lord. If you control those two channels, better fruit is given to you. If you need relaxation by prayers and devotion, you will be in the second stage. Therefore there is no contradiction because in the third stage it is only an advice in the light of Yoga. Yoga means concentration of the entire energy in one channel that is useful. The root word of Yoga is “Yuj”, which means to unite the dissipated streams of energy in various useless channels and concentrate the whole energy as a single stream in the useful channel.
The third stage is the highest stage. Hanuman never uttered prayers and never expressed devotional feelings on the Lord as per the Valmiki Ramayana, which is the only authority. Hanuman concentrated all His energy in the work of Lord Rama. Lord Rama also never expressed His love through words or feelings on Hanuman. He also gave silently the highest real fruit to Hanuman, which is the post of future creator (Brahma). Veda says “Yato Vacho Nivartante Apraapya Manasaasah”. This means that the words and mind cannot touch the Lord and will return back to you only. He will never hear your prayers and will never observe your ex-pression of devotional feelings. The reason is that they are giving you the immediate fruit, which is peace, happiness and satisfaction. It is like a self-employment scheme.
Since the fruit is immediate and automatic the Lord need not pay any attention. But when you wor
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One word or ten thousand words - the truth remains.
Let us not insult truth with words. They are like many lighted candles standing in front of the sun. Of no use for seeing the light which is already behind them.
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ORIGINAL: Mr_Firstlight
One word or ten thousand words - the truth remains.
Let us not insult truth with words. They are like many lighted candles standing in front of the sun. Of no use for seeing the light which is already behind them.
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Saving from the troubles and misery is the general sense of the word saving. In spiritual sense saving means cutting all the worldly bonds and establishing real bond with God, Who alone is the truth. God is truth. This means that God is infinite power. The creation is just His imagination and is almost not true. The imagining person is said to truly exist. The world, which is just His imagination and which is completely not nothing. The world is made of an iota of energy of God. God is like the infinite ocean of energy. Compared to God the world is almost nothing. Thus this entire creation is under the full control of God. Just like the person doing some imagination creates an imaginary world in him, God created this imaginary world in Him. The imagining person can fully control the world. He can transform any item into any other item. He can raise a dead body in His imaginary world. All the miracles of human incarnations can be explained only by this concept.
God who is present in the human incarnation does all these miracles only to establish this concept. If the world is equally true, then the world is equally powerful to God. In such case God cannot do whatever He likes. Since the world is least powerful and God is most powerful, God controls the entire world like a very strong person controlling very weak person. Thus the world truth indicates the omni-potent nature of God. When we say that this world is not true, it indicates the negligible power of the world. Suppose a small ant is on your shirt, will you say that yourself and the ant are present in the house? The ant is negligible and is treated as nothing. Therefore, a person who knows this concept surrenders to God and accepts Him as the saviour. In his eyes the entire world looks like an ant before God. You are a tiny particle in this ant-world. You can understand your position by putting a relative scale.
Assume that this ant is Infinite Ocean of energy. You are an iota of that ocean. This means your power is negligible before the power of this entire nature. The world is like the ocean and you are like a drop in it. God is like the ocean and the world a drop in God. You must understand this simile not in terms of volume but in terms of the intensity of the power. When we utter the word God, we immediately imagine Him as a very large figure with unlimited boundaries. The space is largest but as no power as it is treated has nothing. The atom bomb is very small but it has enormous power. Therefore, our idea about God should not be in terms of the three-dimensional space. When a person imagines a large city, the city is very huge but the person is very small. But that small person has created, maintains and finally dissolves this huge city. He can do anything in this huge city. In fact He is standing outside this huge city. When He wants to enter into this huge imaginary city, He will imagine a small form and He identifies Himself with that form. That small form represents the outside person. This imagined form, which is identified by the outside person, is treated as the outside person directly. This imagined small form is the human incarnation. The outside person is God. The imaginary huge city is this world.
Thus God identifies Himself with the human incarnation. From this angle the human incarnation and the God or one and the same. There is another angle in which the human incarnation is not the original God but a part and parcel of God. In this angle God and the human incarnation are treated as father and son. You can experience the Father only through this Son. In the third angle the human incarnation is just sent by God into this world as a messenger with some power. Jesus talked this truth in all the three angles. Jesus can save any human being who has
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"Please note that we are not finding fault with the prayers and devotion. We are only saying that you are wasting your energy in those two channels"
It seems as if you are deeply into some form of belief-system and can't see out of it, to be honest. I'd disagree with those words, since the spoken Word releases Fohat - powerful creational Force - which meditation can't do. There are whole Hindu teachings on the power of sound and vibration, and the throat chakra. It depends what you're setting out to do, whether at any moment you use meditation or the great power of sound, which is an expression of the AUM. "Waste of energy"??
Venetian
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ORIGINAL: venetian
"Please note that we are not finding fault with the prayers and devotion. We are only saying that you are wasting your energy in those two channels"
It seems as if you are deeply into some form of belief-system and can't see out of it, to be honest. I'd disagree with those words, since the spoken Word releases Fohat - powerful creational Force - which meditation can't do. There are whole Hindu teachings on the power of sound and vibration, and the throat chakra. It depends what you're setting out to do, whether at any moment you use meditation or the great power of sound, which is an expression of the AUM. "Waste of energy"??
Venetian
[color="#0000ff"]True Essence Of Yoga
Yoga is the most prestigious field of spiritualism. People think about 6 wheels (Chakras) or lotus flowers present in the spinal card, which are not seen by the eyes. They are imaginary and so they carry some inner meaning. When you say a face as a moon, fools search for moon in that face. But, wise people see similarity in the face and moon. Similarly, wheels and lotus flowers should not be searched in the spinal card. Spinal card is the main nerve, representing mind, which is the base of love.
All these wheels or lotus flowers are the bonds of love in the various relatives like parents, wife or husband, children etc. They are compared to wheels or the revolving whirlpools in the ocean, which attract a swimmer and drown him. Similarly, these love wheels are compared to lotus flowers, since the lotus flowers attract the bee by sweet fragrance and bind it. Similarly, these love flowers attract any one and bind them. “Kundalini” is the mind which is the energy travelling as waves like a serpent, should cross all these love wheels connected to 7th lotus flower in the head called “Sahasrara”, which is Buddhi or intelligence that takes the decision, which is the firm love on God.
Bhagavat Gita is called as the main scripture of Yoga (Yoga-Sastra). Why there is not even single reference to these wheels or lotus flowers in anywhere in Gita or even in Upanishats? Since they are not real, they are not even mentioned. The author of the Gita was Krishna, who was called Master of Yoga (Yogeswara). Krishna also says that the real yoga was lost since long (Sa kaleneha mahata….). This means that in the beginning, Sages in India knew the real yoga and loved God only crossing all their family bonds. In due course of time only, this true yoga was lost. Why? The middle age Indians were unable to cross their family bonds and so failed to succeed in Yoga.
They wanted to cover their in ability by twisting the very concept of yoga. The family bonds were removed from the concept and only wheels or lotus flowers are left fixed. Now, they close the eyes and say that they have seen the lotus flowers or wheels, which are only imaginary. Now they cross these wheels by their imaginary “Kundalini” and say that they have succeeded in Yoga. These blind teachers are also not to be blamed, because they were trained like that by their blind teachers. This misinterpretation was done long time back and hence, even at the time of Krishna, He told that yoga was lost since a long time.
We cannot catch those original culprits, who were the top most twisting masters and so the present tradition also cannot be blamed. Only rectification is the way left over. Some say that they see light, which is only an imagination. After all, the mind is a form of energy and on its concentration imaginary light can be imagined. Instead of such a week light, you better see a strong light with your open eyes. What is the use of these imaginary lights and colours, without achieving the Lord through your love, which excels the various worldly, loves.
I pity the foreigners, who are trapped in this false imaginary line of yoga, who are wasting their precious lifetime and energy. In fact, they are the best to succeed in yoga, if the reality of the yoga is exposed. Their family bonds are very
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I don't know where you're coming from, Anil, or where you got your ideas, if you insist that chakras and kundalini don't exist - within your thesis on Yoga!
Venetian
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Dear Anil,
One that is not lost does not need to be saved.
However, I agree with you the only thing that God has asked me to do on a regular basis is 'sit in silence' in the oneness, some might call this contemplation others might call it meditation.
It has become very clear to me in recent weeks that a great deal of ancient knowledge was tampered with, played with, changed to suit current ideologies and belief systems at the time of translations, interpretation etc. Important to remember that a great deal was not written down but given orally, so easy for people to adapt to suit their own ideology. The most recent discovery was that the original symbol for Tao was 2 fishes in the from of a sphere. I am sure others will work out the importance of this as the fishes have a lot of significance for most ancient cultures.
From my perspective our creator was very clever, tactical and strategic. Each was given an important piece of the jigsaw puzzle, no religion or belief system was given the whole, hence why many still search and why many made things more complicated than they ever were meant to be. The reason that man, one culture, one religon, one belief, wasn't given the whole jigsaw was because man would use it to control and dominate. However, if we truly understand ancient symbology; across them all we find an amazing whole and unity; the creator knows that it is only the Spirit that truly understands the clues and is sensitive to its reality; and carnal man cannot abuse it because carnal is not sensitive or knowing the oneness of the Spirit and the wholeness of the jigsaw puzzle. 😀
Which takes us back to sitting in the silence because if we do not sit in the silence we cannot know or BE sensitive to divine will.
Divine Love;)
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[color="#3300ff"] MEANING OF MEDITATION (DHYANAM)
Some people say that meditation is sitting with perfect silence without any process of thought. Such a contention is meaningless because it virtually amounts to a nice sleep only. These people further misinterpret that such a meditation is concentration on formless God (Nirakara). Gita says that one cannot concentrate on formless God (Avyakthahi Gatih). The meditation of formless God becomes true if one concentrate on the true knowledge of God. Veda says that true knowledge is the real form of the Lord (Satyam Jnanam Anantam Brahma). Knowledge is formless. Therefore the formless God means only the true divine knowledge about the Lord. This is the correct interpretation of Sankaras philosophy.
The great ancient Vedic sages sat in the formless meditation and this statement means that they concentrated on the divine knowledge (Brahma Jnana), which was expressed as Upanishaths in their mutual discussions (Satsanga). The actual meaning of the word Dhyanam is the process of functioning of intelligence (Dhee or Buddhi) and this pertains to the field of knowledge (Vijnanamaykosa). Some people interpret that meditation means concentration on the form of the Lord like the light blue colour, peacock feather on the head, flute in the hand etc., Instead of concentrating mentally upon such objects, one can see these things in a photo or see the objects directly kept on a table. If these things constitute the divinity there is no need of concentrating on these things. One can attain the divinity by applying light blue colour on his own body, by putting a peacock feather on the head and by catching a flute by hand. Such adivinity can be attained without any meditation. So meditation becomes meaningless in such a line. This is the reason why Sankara discarded the meditation of a form (Saguna Brahman).
Ofcourse attraction by such things towards the Lord will help a person to develop the attachment on the Lord. One may be attracted to Lord Krishna by such things and then finally get attracted towards His divine knowledge as preached in Bhagavatgita. Such things may be initial promoters but the final is only the divine knowledge, which will help any one in his effort (Sadhana) to please the Lord. The divine knowledge resulting in the realization will impart a tension free peace and tranquility to the mind. By such state one will attain perfect health of body and mind and thus the benefit is directly seen here itself. Ex:- If one realizes that this gross body of the soul is only the external dramatic dress as said in Gita (Vaasamsi Jeernani), he will immediately realize that these family bonds are only the bonds in the drama. The soul forgets the bonds of the previous birth as an actor forgets the bonds of previous drama.
If these bonds are real the soul should have remembered its relatives of the previous birth. Such a divine knowledge on memorization enters the nerves of a person and he will not have any tension about his family members. He does his duties without any trace of tension. This is the salvation while alive (Jeevanmukthi). Thus meditation means continuous remembering of the divine knowledge which yields the direct fruit here itself. Such a person gets a fruit in the upper world also. The only one Lord is the authority here and there also. Anybody blessed here will be blessed there also. If one is not blessed here he is not blessed in the upper world also. The grace of the Lord or the anger of the Lord is uniform here and there. One who is not blessed here cannot be blessed there. Thus the true knowledge blesses any person here and there. Meditation is continuous thinking of such knowledge and other interpretations are either useless or of little use.
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Hi Anil,
It's hard to read your unparagraphed writing, which also doesn't refer to any dialogue with other people, but I'm starting to see it's probably partly a cultural thing - that we are from different cultures and backgrounds.
You are posting in "Healthypages Discussion Forums". That almost always means that people --- well, they follow the middle of those three words and- Discuss! :DPeople have replied to you before about this, that you are "preaching" but not replying to posts of others, to what they say, and obviously aren't going to heed other views.
I suppose there was not much to reply to here, but I already wrote:
ORIGINAL: venetian
I don't know where you're coming from, Anil, or where you got your ideas, if you insist that chakras and kundalini don't exist - within your thesis on Yoga!
Chakras and Kundalini are not imaginary according to Yoga, they are an essential part of most yogic systems (!)or there must be some minority branch of Yoga you are familiar with that we are not?
I don't think you'll understand as your style doesn't alter? I'm not a moderator but I'm pretty sure you are free to "preach" here as much as you like, without replying to anyone. I'm really picking up that it's a cultural difference and you are unlikely to "get it". A pity as discussion would be very interesting, really! I agree with about two-thirds of what you say. What usually happens on forums is that by listening (reading and thinking about) the points of view of others, we all learn. Ah well - East is East and West is West?
One Hindu figure I admire enormously is the late Sri Ramakrishna. If you don't know a great deal about him, the best source is "The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna". It's a superb, wonderful and inspiring book. Sri Ramakrishna went through a huge number of phases in his spiritual life - being a yogi, spending years lost in samadhi much of the time, a short period as a Christian, a phase as a Moslim, a tantric phase under a teacher, many times of life when bhakti was his way, and worshipped the Mother God or what he sometimes called Kali so much that he dressed as a woman and lived with women, unrecognisable as a man. He had a superb mind, though he could not even read.
My point is that by the time disciples began coming to him, he had incorprated all these things into one, and did not denounce any system or Way as being wrong or insufficient as you do. "Worship God as form or as formless", he would say. In my opinion it's much better to be so open minded - and it certainly made him into an immense spiritual figure the world will never forget. By comparison is seems to me, if I may say so, that you are just typing words and hard, rigid opinions from an intellectual stand-point. Such rigidity, I'd say, doesn't lead Upwards.
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I recommend that book - really!
Yours,
Venetian
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[color="#0000ff"] [color="#0000ff"]Importance of Jnana Yoga for Attaining Salvation
Jnana Yoga means recognition of the Lord in human form in your human generation. Such recognition can be misled by several factors of ignorance. The real diamond is mixed with several artificial diamonds. To eliminate the real diamond from all the other artificial diamonds requires knowledge of the real diamond and also the knowledge of artificial diamonds (Jnana Yoga). Thus there are several fraud incarnations in this world and only one real human incarnation exists.
As the real diamond is recognized by its total multiple internal reflections of light in various angles, similarly the real incarnation is recognized by the various reflections of the internal knowledge in various angles. Such knowledge is called as Prajnanam, which is special to the Lord only and is not possible for others. The other scholars can have only the knowledge learnt from books, which is called as Jnanam. The refractive index of diamond is very high by which the real diamond is recognized.
Similarly by the special knowledge (Prajnanam) the real human incarnation is recognized. By such special knowledge you will be liberated from all the worldly bonds and that is the salvation. Coming close to the Lord in human form is called Sayujyam and Kaivalyam. Thus you can attain both the benefits i.e., Moksha (Salvation) and also Sayujyam (Becoming close to the Lord) and Kaivalyam (becoming one with the Lord, which means that whatever you wish the Lord will have the same wish or vice versa).
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We are not GOD
What is soul or Atman or causal body? Is it the awareness present in the nervous system? Or is it the inert energy present in the brain? The concept of I exists in both. The egoism ‘I’ exists as a pulse in the brain in the inert energy and the same pulse exists in nervous system being experienced. If you say that the soul is awareness, it is born every day and it dies every day. This is the soul from one angle, which is mentioned by Gita (Athachainam Nityajatam…). Please note that this view is mentioned as an angle and is never condemned by Gita. From another angle, it is the inert energy present in the brain, which is eternal as mentioned in Gita (Ajo Nityah…). Awareness in the nervous system is in the form of work. Inert energy in the brain is in the form of energy.
In one angle the soul is specific work and in another angle soul is inert energy. Energy and work are inter-convertible and both are the same entity in different forms. Therefore, essentially it does not matter, whether you take the soul as work or energy. According to science even the matter is a form of energy only. Therefore, the gross body, which exists in deep sleep, is as good as the inert energy in brain or as good as the awareness in the basic sense in the nervous system. The gross body made of matter, the subtle body made of pulses (whether in the state of inert energy or in the state of awareness) and the causal body which is the inert energy in the brain or awareness in the nervous system are one and the same and come under one category called as creation.
The condensed energy is matter. Work is another form of the same energy. A scientist does not distinguish these three states. These three are the different forms of creation and creation is different from creator. Your analysis of these three states is of no use because you are dancing only in the same medium of creation with out touching the creator. Creation itself is work. It is work of the God. The working material is energy or matter or both. Energy and matter are also different works of God only. God is unimaginable and the work is imaginable. The link between work and God is again unimaginable. The link between a person and work is imaginable because both person and work are imaginable. Thus, there is no example in this world to imagine the God or to imagine the link with His work. Only the work is imaginable through which you can be sure of the existence of God. Thus, this wonderful Universe, which is the work of the God, proves the existence of God but the analysis of Universe neither gives any information about God nor any information about the link of Universe with God. The Universe indicates the existence of God but neither gives the information of God nor the experience of God. After realising the existence of God, you can experience God through some item of the creation into which God entered.
The best item of the Universe is the human being through which you can experience God and also clarify your doubts with God directly. If God exist in every human being, every human being should clarify your doubts. In fact since you are also one of the human beings and since God is in yourself also, you should clarify your own doubts, which means that you should not get any doubt and therefore no human being should have any doubt. Therefore, God enters into a specific human being only like Krishna or Jesus etc., who can alone clarify all your doubts and through whom alone you can experience God.
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[color="#0033ff"]Advaita scholars err in one point
All the arguments of Advaita scholars are perfectly correct except one small point, that is the awareness or Atman is God. Awareness is not known to majority and therefore the soul is unimaginable to majority. The soul is certainly known to minority who are very sharp scholars. Veda says that Atman is known only to sharp scholars and Veda does not say that Atman is God in this context. Veda says here that Atman is embedded in the human being secretly (Drusyatetvagraya…., Atma guhayam…). Awareness requires the existence of two items.
One is the inert energy that is obtained from the digestion of food (Annat Purashah- Veda). The second is nervous system, which alone can convert this inert energy in to awareness on functioning. Thus, awareness is dependent on these two items but God is independent and does not depend on the requirement of any other item. Thus, the scholars who are based on the scriptures only are also answered about this concept through scriptures and logic (Tarka Sastra). Matter (food) is converted into energy and awareness is a form of energy. Thus, matter and awareness are inter-convertible. When a human being called “Ahalya” was converted in to inert statue and again when the statuewas converted into human being, this inter-conversion is proved. When Ahalyabecame a stone, her soul did not go to upper world. It remained there only. Awareness is an item of creation and therefore exactly duplicate souls were created by Lord Krishna when these souls were stolen by Prajapati. All these points clearly show that awareness is a conversion of inert matter and a form of inert energy and an item of creation only.
If one accepts science, it is very easy to prove that awareness is a special form of inert energy flowing through the nervous system while functioning. The robot is just a duplicate of human being. The current flowing in the wires is the awareness flowing in the nervous system. The information stored in the chip is exactly the information stored in the brain. The brain is a system ofseveral microprocessors working simultaneously, which grasps all the points regarding an object in one instance. You treat brain as a CD in which the information is stored in the form of written impressions on the matter or you can treat brain as the RAM in which the information is stored in the form of pulses by electro magnetic energy. This does not make any difference for a spiritual approach. That is a topic of science. Even in science a physicist does not differentiate matter and energy. Thus, in science it is clearly proved that awareness is inert energy only which on functioning in nervous system becomes a specific form by doing specific work.
In fact, awareness is a form of special work done by the inert energy. Since, work is also a form of energy, all these specifications come under the topic of science only and has no spiritual significance. But science clearly analyses any item, which is not God and helps us to realise that it is not God. Science analyses every item of creation and with the help of such analysis we can know that every item of creation is not God. Science cannot show what is God but it can show clearly what is not God. There is no item in the creation, which is not analysed by science. Therefore, any item of the creation is not God. Even the so-called philosophy has not shown God. It has shown only what is not God. Vedasays that the sages who were greatest philosophers rejected every item of creation as not God (Neti..Neti..). They have concluded that God is beyond words, mind, intelligence, logic and even any type of imagination. Thus, both philosophy and science fail to give any positive information about the God.
Thus, you should not reject both philosophy and science because even if they have not shown God, at least they have shown that every item in the creation is not God. Thus, these two have helped us in not falling in the illusion by which we may think that some item like awarene
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Actually, I happen to doubt that. How ironic. :D:D:D
Later added: That was a reply to your last large-case post! How did you do three posts of that length in one minute? [:-]Written first in Word, or pasted in from someone else??
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Dear Anil
When you replace the word ignorance with innocence and fear with love you see the world with a whole new perspective. Truly through Gods eyes.
Divine Love
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Silly me............. I've been "dialoguing' with pasted text. It's the same style as the stuff in the web link. Gotta be. What a waste of time. 😮
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venetian;Do not give up this dialogue, you analyse my replies with your brain, let us discuss each other,
There are nothing like awakened and unwakened people. Kundalini represents mind. True awakening is realisation of true spiritual knowledge. True unawakening is ignorant state, where there is no divine knowledge. Divine knowledge is the knowledge required to identify the Lord in human form. Hence, Let us concentrate in learning the true divine knowledgeand remove our ignorance.This is the real awakening or realisation. Till then we will be unawakened/ignorant state.
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Actually Anil when you truly learn about consciousness you will know that your accusation about Venetian is actually coming from your own perceptional consciousness. I recommend that you read the post called 'The Puppies' you can find this philosophy in the ' thought of the day' forum.
So what does this quote tell you about yourself?
Do not give up this dialogue, you analyse my replies with your brain,
This is what you are doing.
let us discuss each other,
Well many have tried
There are nothing like awakened and unwakened people. Kundalini represents mind.
So where do these thoughts come from ?
True awakening is realisation of true spiritual knowledge. True unawakening is ignorant state, where there is no divine knowledge.
Where do these thoughts come from?
Divine knowledge is the knowledge required to identify the Lord in human form.
A belief system that comes from?
Hence, Let us concentrate in learning the true divine knowledge and remove our ignorance. This is the real awakening or realisation. Till then we will be unawakened/ignorant state.
A belief system that comes from?
I am sure many here will be keen to hear your reflections about the self and your own heart of consciousness.
A true Yogi allows people to come to their own realisations in their own time and space. A true Yogi has moved beyond duality and come into oneness; that power alone ceases to do for it is enough to BE divine love.
Divine Love
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LOL, I do believewe've been incredibly slow on the uptake! :DNo WONDER there's no dialogue. I took this to be a follower of a Guru, hence the website. I didn'tpay attention tohis name here, 'dataswami'. From the site, datta is the great, complete Incarnation of God. I didn't notice the Swami bit at the end! No wonder he goes on about needing to "recognise the incarnation of God' - I think he means him! 😀
From the site:
"Islam preaches only the last angle in which they do not recognize any human incarnation of God. At the most, they accept prophets and messengers of God. There is a certain advantage to this approach. False preachers who either claim to be God, or who claim that God lives in them, are avoided. Thus Muslims treat Prophet Mohammed as a messenger of the Lord and not as an incarnation.
Now when it is stated that Shri Datta Swami is a Complete Incarnation of the Lord (Paripurna Avatara), it does not mean that other incarnations of the past are incomplete or in any way inferior. It only means that Sri Datta Swami preaches the complete true knowledge, whereas other incarnations have not given the true knowledge completely. The same Lord was present in all incarnations and He possessed the complete true knowledge in all the incarnations. However earlier incarnations preached it only partially."
ROTFL. Try a to-and-fro, give-and-take dialogue with that! 😉
V
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Dear Dattaswami
Can you please go back to usingthe NORMAL font size. We CAN actually read it!! This HUGE stuff is horrid to read and requires more scrolling which is very boring. Why are you using this large font size? Is it for extra emphasis? If so, believe me, it is not having the desired effect.
Best wishes
Moonfairy
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Ah Venetian being a scholar I thought the first thing you would do is research......that's is the first place that I looked and I am no scholar - hence my replies to Anil to date 😉
Still better late than never brother:D;) Welcome to the club.
Divine Love
RE: Stages In Worship Of Lord
[color="#3300ff"]The spiritual journey of a soul
Initially the Lord attracts the devotee through miracles and creates belief and devotion in the mind of a human being. Thus the human being is converted into devotee. Thus from the stage of human being the soul carries on the journey to the stage of a devotee. This journey is taking place due to the effort of the Lord only. This is called as the “Marjala Kisora Nyaya”, which means the mother cat carrying on its off spring by catching it with her mouth. The effort of the human being is nil in this case. But the human being must have open mind to receive the help from the Lord and to recognize the existence of the super natural power of the Lord and thereby to recognize the existence of the Lord. For such situation the problems and troubles in the life which are due to Karma Chakra (The wheel of deeds) are also helping the soul. Thus the troubles are the real helpers towards the spiritual line. The misery due to the troubles is praised by the Lord in Gita (Aartho….. Udaaraah). Kunti asked for constant troubles from the Lord. In this stage though the effort of the soul is nil, the soul must have flexibility and open mind to recognize the helper, the Lord.
The impartial Lord gives this opportunity equally to all the human beings but the atheist due to absence of open mind and due to foolish rigidity does not accept the existence of the Lord even after such help. Thus though we say that the effort of the individual is nil in this case, to have open mind to realize the truth is also considered as the effort of the human being. When the effort of the human being exists, it is called as “Markata Kisora Nyaya”, which means the off spring is holding on itself by catching the womb of its mother-monkey. Thus both these lines always co-exist and are mutual to each other. In the sacred book “Yoga Vasista”, the preacher Vasista preaches spiritual knowledge to Rama. In the very beginning itself Vasista emphasizes on the effort of the individual soul (Purusha Prayatna). Without the effort of the soul if the Lord has to carry on the devotee by His grip only, then the Lord has to carry on all the souls of the creation. Then only the Lord can become impartial. If that is done there is no meaning of the creation because the thrill of love disappears. The love of one in millions cannot be tasted by the Lord. If all the students in the class get cent percent and if all are given gold medals, then there is no thrill. But the teacher puts his effort equally on all the students and every student has equal opportunity to get the gold medal. When one gets the gold medal we cannot blame the teacher to be partial. The teacher wishes and puts equal effort on all the students and aspires every student to get the gold medal. But the fact is that only one gets the gold medal.
The aspiration of the teacher and his practical effort without any partiality is completely different and the actual fact that takes place is all together totally different. You cannot link these two contradicting extreme facts. It is true that the teacher wishes that every student should stand first and he puts equal effort on every student without any trace of partiality. At the same time it is also equally true that only one student stands first. From the point of the teacher we have to appreciate the way of mother cat. From the point of the student you have to appreciate the way of mother monkey. The teacher tries to carry on every student to the goal like the mother cat. But only one student reaches the goal because of his strongest grip. Thus both the lines are equally important from their own angles. The teacher is always like the mother cat. The
RE: Stages In Worship Of Lord
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Kundalini, energies are not found in Bible also. Jesus also did not preach these concepts, hencenot Biblical. Even these terms are not there in Gita. Hence Lord Krishna also did not tell them. True preachers like Jesus, Krishna .. preached correctly only but the followers polluted the scriptures because of inability to follow the original preaching.