Hi all,

What do people think about spirit guides? Have you ever experienced spirit guidance or had any experiences along these lines?

Hi, Mouse - would you make a distinction between a spirit guide and a shaman's spirit teacher?

Hi there,

No, not at all...I'm just interested in hearing of people's experiences along these lines. If I have guides I think they have gone on an extended break!

Anyone interested in this?

not many replies...may I have a go?
Several years back at a natural health show,, I had a chance interaction with this psychic. he had come over to my booth for a chronic knee pain. I was doing EFT back then. As we chatted for a while he went on to say "you have two golden beings on each shoulder guiding you".
I asked if he could speak to them. Don't remember what he said to that but I remember saying if could, would he ask them to sod off and not bother hanging around Go and play instead! He was a tad shocked but i think he saw the mischief in my eyes and was ok with it that I just couldn't care less

I think that sums up one opinion about spirit guides etc. There are endless projections of mind. Narrow is the path to truth, most are distractions for the mind to keep itself entertained.

Hi Mouse,

Just a handful of experiences (if you can call them that)...

I've had a friend (yes, really I have :D) who drew a picture of my spirit guide (pencil drawing) as she perceived him. Not sure how "real" that could be as I've never had any communication with this guide or perceived him in any way similar to the picture.

One of my Reiki teachers drew me a picture (in coloured pastels) of some 'thing' she perceived that she connected with me in some way. She did this for several of us in her circle, and each was different. Never was sure if it was supposed to be a spirit guide or just some energy she perceived that was connected with us.

Another time, I went with a group of people (there was 5 or 6 of us, I can't recall exactly) to have a past life regression done (actually we had a couple done). This was done in a style of us being guided to a point where we 'entered' into the past life to experience it, but then we were left to experience whatever it was that happened (i.e. we weren't guided as to what we should be seeing etc.). After that, the partner of the person who had done the past life regression with us connected with our spirit guide(s) to get guidance of undertanding about what we had experienced. However this didn't happen until she had asked us what we experienced and written it down, so it's not as if I could categorically say there was a spirit guide there speaking through her or that she had connected with. The past life regression itself was interesting... the interpretation via her and my spirit guide(s) I'm not so sure about, as I could have easily constructed the same interpretation from the description of the regression I gave her.
The person who did the past life regression had also written some books on spirit guides so I got a copy of those to read. Apart from some of it making some depressing reading (unfortunately from what you read in them you get the feeling he had created the understanding of spirit guides to help him face his emotional loss when his brother was killed), his understanding is that essentially there are spirit triples i.e. spirits go about in 3's. At any one time, 1 or 2 of those spirits may choose to experience a life in the universe i.e. as a human, though the 3rd will always remain in spirit to guide the other two. The two who choose to experience life will, at some point, have an effect on the other within their lives, whether that is just a small happening or whether they come together as soul partners for life etc. and when one dies, they will return to spirit and help guide the last one until they die, at which point they will all get together for jolly good chat about what they experienced and decide what else they want to experience.
Whilst it all sounds very plausible, in the spiritual sense, the bit that really put me off was at the end of the first book where he emphasised that the information that had been given was direct from spirit and was the truth, whereas other people's understandings were false because spirit had told him that those others had been deliberately fed wrong information as they were not yet ready on their spiritual path to know it. A bit of a case of "I'm right, don't listen to anyone else" syndrome methinks.

So, do I believe in spirit guides...

Surprisingly after all that, in a sense I do, because I believe we are all energetically connected with everything in the universe, and the energetic patterns of those who have passed before (whether human, animal, plant, inanimate objects or whatever) are intrinsically linked to us, and if we can tune into them and listen, we can pick up on those energetic patterns and connect with their experience. Do we have personal spirit guides... I don't really think so, as I think that stems from the ego mind wanting to have something personal, and from my understanding that stems from attachment, which we all have to varying extents so I accept that people have this understanding and that's part of their way of connecting with spirits.

In a sense, what I'm saying about my own understanding is that it's actually similar to what Jnani says, they are projections from within the ego mind. We are all connected to all the energy, but we are so enchanted by living in a dualistic sense that we want to seperate those energies and focus on particular parts, giving them some form of identity that we attach to. As Jnani says, such dualistic seperation caused within the mind can give rise to distraction from being in connection will all or the true Self.

In summary, be guided by the universal energy of Self, and not the dualistic manifestations of mind.

At least that's my understanding. 😉

All Love and Reiki Hugs

not many replies...may I have a go?
Several years back at a natural health show,, I had a chance interaction with this psychic. he had come over to my booth for a chronic knee pain. I was doing EFT back then. As we chatted for a while he went on to say "you have two golden beings on each shoulder guiding you".
I asked if he could speak to them. Don't remember what he said to that but I remember saying if could, would he ask them to sod off and not bother hanging around Go and play instead! He was a tad shocked but i think he saw the mischief in my eyes and was ok with it that I just couldn't care less

I think that sums up one opinion about spirit guides etc. There are endless projections of mind. Narrow is the path to truth, most are distractions for the mind to keep itself entertained.

That's quite funny :)! There seems to be a belief, very prevalent in the New Age world from what I've read and heard people talk about, that everyone has spirit guides watching over them and helping them. And that you 'just need to ask' for help and it is there. I'm not so sure!! I would love to have guidance (as would everyone I guess) but........hmmmmm

I would love to have guidance (as would everyone I guess) but........hmmmmm

Are you not your own best guide, Mouse?

That's quite funny :)! There seems to be a belief, very prevalent in the New Age world from what I've read and heard people talk about, that everyone has spirit guides watching over them and helping them. And that you 'just need to ask' for help and it is there. I'm not so sure!! I would love to have guidance (as would everyone I guess) but........hmmmmm

Have you had any peaceful 'presences' during your sleep recently mouse?

Whilst it all sounds very plausible, in the spiritual sense, the bit that really put me off was at the end of the first book where he emphasised that the information that had been given was direct from spirit and was the truth, whereas other people's understandings were false because spirit had told him that those others had been deliberately fed wrong information as they were not yet ready on their spiritual path to know it. A bit of a case of "I'm right, don't listen to anyone else" syndrome methinks.

Yes, this is often what puts me off when reading around this subject. I wonder how people can be so specific, down to a detailed system they describe which often sounds all too human in nature, i.e. hierarchical, dualistic.......

Surprisingly after all that, in a sense I do, because I believe we are all energetically connected with everything in the universe, and the energetic patterns of those who have passed before (whether human, animal, plant, inanimate objects or whatever) are intrinsically linked to us, and if we can tune into them and listen, we can pick up on those energetic patterns and connect with their experience. Do we have personal spirit guides... I don't really think so, as I think that stems from the ego mind wanting to have something personal, and from my understanding that stems from attachment, which we all have to varying extents so I accept that people have this understanding and that's part of their way of connecting with spirits.

Well, it is said that energy never dies.....and, with personal spirit guides what I wonder is what exactly are they guiding us in?

In a sense, what I'm saying about my own understanding is that it's actually similar to what Jnani says, they are projections from within the ego mind. We are all connected to all the energy, but we are so enchanted by living in a dualistic sense that we want to seperate those energies and focus on particular parts, giving them some form of identity that we attach to. As Jnani says, such dualistic seperation caused within the mind can give rise to distraction from being in connection will all or the true Self.

In summary, be guided by the universal energy of Self, and not the dualistic manifestations of mind.

At least that's my understanding. 😉

All Love and Reiki Hugs

Fascinating....so what you are saying really is that the ego-mind projects creations which reflect it's own nature.

Are you not your own best guide, Mouse?

Blimey!! I wish 🙂

Have you had any peaceful 'presences' during your sleep recently mouse?

No, is there a reason why I should have had?

Well, it is said that energy never dies.....and, with personal spirit guides what I wonder is what exactly are they guiding us in?

We are guiding ourselves, by listening to the true Self. It's the ego mind that likes to make us think it's something else that is seperate. 😉

Fascinating....so what you are saying really is that the ego-mind projects creations which reflect it's own nature.

Something like that, yes. 😉

All Love and Reiki Hugs

@Giles

Hope no one is going to call me... Ahem, unethical or anything for telling you this Giles - but:

When I spoke to you over on the dereks Freedom thread the other day, I saw the shape of a 'Kosha' (outline of a bodyshape, not say necessarily a kosha) standing behind you on the left... you know how people say that we are spirits having a human experience and all that. And some say your spirit is either in your body or somewhere nearby... well, my mind join up the dots (ie, I don't know for sure) to inform me, that this was your 'Being'...?

Also, when I first joined the forum, and you mention (on the Suffering thread) something about "us creating our own reality" (if I remember correctly) - I saw a clear White Light high above your head - needless to say that a good thing - and I got the impression that you knew that the light was there (you were aware of it) and you were 'drawing' from it......

🙂

No, is there a reason why I should have had?

Not necessarily - just thought I'd ask.

Not necessarily - just thought I'd ask.

Very mysterious! 😉

Very mysterious! 😉

I'm sorry - I don't understand.......... hmn

I'm sorry - I don't understand.......... hmn

Er.......I thought your comment was mysterious

Er.......I thought your comment was mysterious

Oh, I see

That's quite funny :)! There seems to be a belief, very prevalent in the New Age world from what I've read and heard people talk about, that everyone has spirit guides watching over them and helping them. And that you 'just need to ask' for help and it is there. I'm not so sure!! I would love to have guidance (as would everyone I guess) but........hmmmmm

"New Age" is paddling biggest load of mumbo jumbo ever! Most whacky ideas take hold because they are "spiritual" these days. They are in the ether so to speak. A complete distraction from heart to mind. ego loves it!
Guidance is deepest core of you. it does not come from anywhere, when settled deeply enough it begins to reveal itself.
So the goal is not to look for guidance but to stay loose and natural and then what needs be known is known without wanting, trying, seeking. "seeking guidance" (seemingly a noble persuit) is causing unsaid ripples that block all guidance that is present already.

@Giles

Hope no one is going to call me... Ahem, unethical or anything for telling you this Giles - but:

When I spoke to you over on the dereks Freedom thread the other day, I saw the shape of a 'Kosha' (outline of a bodyshape, not say necessarily a kosha) standing behind you on the left... you know how people say that we are spirits having a human experience and all that. And some say your spirit is either in your body or somewhere nearby... well, my mind join up the dots (ie, I don't know for sure) to inform me, that this was your 'Being'...?

Also, when I first joined the forum, and you mention (on the Suffering thread) something about "us creating our own reality" (if I remember correctly) - I saw a clear White Light high above your head - needless to say that a good thing - and I got the impression that you knew that the light was there (you were aware of it) and you were 'drawing' from it......

🙂

Nothing unethical about saying what you see. That's fine by me.

It's nice to hear what other people perceive... and always good food for thought.
Now I just need to go an look up what a Kosha is (or remind myself).

:hug:

All Love and Reiki Hugs

Hi all,

What do people think about spirit guides? Have you ever experienced spirit guidance or had any experiences along these lines?

Hi Mouse .

Over many years of developing aspects of my spirit work I have encountered many of those from spirit that work along side me . My understanding is that one guide stays with me for the duration of one's life _ Mine being a past life close friend a cherokee indian medicine man . Other guides have been guiding me through a certain stages of development and then make way for others .

Over time the blending with one's guide/s becomes more noticeable and one gets to feel the essense / familiarity of their energy ..

x daz x

A serious question, and not meant to be disrespectful ...... why are spirit guides so often native American Indians? Why is a spirit guide never some normal old guy from Peckham who used to work at Tesco, or some woman who was once a housewife with four kids in Slough?

Yes, this is often what puts me off when reading around this subject. I wonder how people can be so specific, down to a detailed system they describe which often sounds all too human in nature, i.e. hierarchical, dualistic.......

Well, it is said that energy never dies.....and, with personal spirit guides what I wonder is what exactly are they guiding us in?

I don’t know a thing about spirit guides, since I don’t have one, but I work closely with spirit teachers. The difference is mainly that teachers are just that – we go to seek someone who can teach us a particular ‘subject’ – our own personal development, healing, dealing with death etc. They agree to work with us and so we learn.
As for the ‘detailed system’, my experience leads me to believe that there are many ‘systems’. Some spirits work in one and some in another.

Hay Derek i uesd to live in Slough =)

But you are absolutely right about "guides" its mostly as Jnani says total bull****e. Expectation feeds the minds of the unweary and blinds the senses.

Do i believe in guidance from Spirit yes i do but it is not something you actually learn or connect with via any form of training; any method taught by another person with very few exceptions leads to a personal illusion; but again the expectation is being fed and tends to give the same results/experience as most others go through so it is taken as a true expression of Spirit.

It is all to easy to create your own guide that will appear very real to you and tell you exactly what you want to hear. Will you actually learn anything? highly unlikely. Red Indian sure its glamorous and feeds the ego, Authentic not by a long shot.

Its just the same as supposed past lives they are always someone well known.

Its just the same as supposed past lives they are always someone well known.

Actually, if looked at shamanically, very rarely - in nearly 20 years of teaching this, I have never come across anyone who had been a well known person.

Do i believe in guidance from Spirit yes i do but it is not something you actually learn or connect with via any form of training; any method taught by another person with very few exceptions leads to a personal illusion;

Have you tried every method, to be able to judge? Shamanism, for example?

Crowen
Why try a therapy when the awareness you already have allows you to see that it would be less than you already are. Understanding Spirit has little to do with knowledge of any particular therapy or method.

Nearly all therapies involve some form of human control, therefore the potential and outcome is far less than may otherwise be possible. Learning to let go of that desire to control allows a person to become part of something far greater and of greater benefit to both the client and the healer as they both heal.

Spirit guides are the same when a person seeks to control or asks for a particular guide by name then they are working with far less than they could be. Real understanding goes far beyond words and human teaching.

I don’t know a thing about spirit guides, since I don’t have one, but I work closely with spirit teachers. The difference is mainly that teachers are just that – we go to seek someone who can teach us a particular ‘subject’ – our own personal development, healing, dealing with death etc. They agree to work with us and so we learn.
As for the ‘detailed system’, my experience leads me to believe that there are many ‘systems’. Some spirits work in one and some in another.

Yes, I can see that is a different thing.

By detailed systems I mean how can someone be so sure of every detail (in the context of stuff I have read). I'm sure there are many systems! What I mean is, are people finding a system that is already there externally or are they imposing there own system on their experiences.

Hay Derek i uesd to live in Slough =)

But you are absolutely right about "guides" its mostly as Jnani says total bull****e. Expectation feeds the minds of the unweary and blinds the senses.

Do i believe in guidance from Spirit yes i do but it is not something you actually learn or connect with via any form of training; any method taught by another person with very few exceptions leads to a personal illusion; but again the expectation is being fed and tends to give the same results/experience as most others go through so it is taken as a true expression of Spirit.

It is all to easy to create your own guide that will appear very real to you and tell you exactly what you want to hear. Will you actually learn anything? highly unlikely. Red Indian sure its glamorous and feeds the ego, Authentic not by a long shot.

Its just the same as supposed past lives they are always someone well known.

Are you saying that there is guidance available from spirit as a force/energy but that it is not expressed in the form of a single identity or identies? I'm wondering if that is indeed the case but people perceive this energy through their own filters, not necessarily to do with their ego but just how their mind works?

Hi Mouse .

Over many years of developing aspects of my spirit work I have encountered many of those from spirit that work along side me . My understanding is that one guide stays with me for the duration of one's life _ Mine being a past life close friend a cherokee indian medicine man . Other guides have been guiding me through a certain stages of development and then make way for others .

Over time the blending with one's guide/s becomes more noticeable and one gets to feel the essense / familiarity of their energy ..

x daz x

Hi there,
That is interesting, I'm wondering if these forms come from how your mind perceives 'Spirit' (I'm not sure what word is best to use here!). What do you think on this?