Reiki/life regression/astral travel as dangerous?

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I'm not jumping on you at all, it looks like this has the makings of a very interesting thread

A few questions though, if I may ...

How did you feel after your Reiki treatment?

What experience of Reiki does this teacher have? Has he had treatments, attunements?

Is his point of view based on his own findings, or those of others?

Does he have a opinion about spiritual healing, as opposed to Reiki? Although many will say they are one and the same, others disagree on that point alone!

Looking forward to replies.

Holistic

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Hiya Holistic, unfortunately I can't answer for him since I don't really know him so well, maybe I should gather all the questions and challenge him lol .. but he did say that he might as well be wrong, that was his opinion;)

I can answer the questions that are directed on me specifically ..

ORIGINAL: Holistic

How did you feel after your Reiki treatment?

Well it was a good feeling of lightness and the worrisome weight of my chest gone. I felt some warmness, there is no doubt that Reiki is an amazing feeling in its own way. It was such a good experience that I wanted to experience more lol .. so you can imagine my surprise and attonishment when a spiritual teacher tells me that reiki is dangerous. But perhaps the question was Reiki was a means of tool that is a distraction frombeing in touch with our creator?

ORIGINAL: Holistic
What experience of Reiki does this teacher have? Has he had treatments, attunements?

Is his point of view based on his own findings, or those of others?

Does he have a opinion about spiritual healing, as opposed to Reiki? Although many will say they are one and the same, others disagree on that point alone!

Good questions Holistic, I just wish we could have a class discussion about this, but perhaps it's a bit too "political" :DFrom what I know he has worked with Reiki Masters, hence sharing of information of what it is about .. so it was also based on the findings of others and his point of view. It seems to me that he sees Reiki as a system of making people believe anyone cannot access that form of healing .. ie he questioned, why pay money to get healing, when you can ask straight from God? Hmm well such difficult questions!!

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hi don't wanna sound glib but after 20 yrs in engineering I havent encountered an kind of energy that didnt have inherent dangers associated with trying to harness it for our use, irespective of what the proponents claim. This said reiki has made such profound changes in my outlook that I'm gonna run with it and hope I have developed sofficiently to deal with the ramifications as an when. On another level I think/hope that bringing my nipper up aware that thes topics and more are natural tools that he can turn to will enhance his life experience. Gonna go away drink a glass of cider and cogitate at length. (big smile) jono.

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Hi Voodoogyal

This is indeed an interesting question, but I wonder if it shouldn't be split up into its component parts. From my own point of view, I would say that Reiki is a very different kettle of fish from either past life regression or astral travel. IMO the last two should be treated with great respect and should only be undertaken with serious intent and total integrity whereas Reiki (and I am a Reiki 2 so must declare an interest) has never ever struck me as being remotely dangerous in any way. By its very nature as a healing energy I don't see how it could cause harm....

Would it be possible for you to mention HP and this thread to your teacher and invite him to come on and dialogue with us on this topic? Although I don't agree with what you say he says his admission that this is just his personal opinion and not to be taken as gospel leads me to believe that he is openminded and fair. It would be good to chat with him.

Love
Sunanda xxx

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Hello Voodoo Girl,
His straight comment was, that practicing Reiki or even receiving Reiki treatment, past life regression or doing astral travel is dangerous
Well any form in spiritual understanding can be bring about exploration of the divine within the forces of the light /darkness combats that it can bring about divisions in the mysteries of the pursuits on spiritual levels so keeping in mind that you are responsible when taking on this form of interests
Rieki Healing transfers powers that can bring about brillance of the process to development as there are factors that can bring about the proven factors through the healing effect to the personal quest ...So there can be rewards to those that are able to bring about this gift remembering that we process that proability that we are able to project through the auric fields to the individuals that are able to accomplish the factors of the healing throught . As that can bring about manifestative powers that will provide unusual process that prodict the incoming facts that the reality of the way that are available to bring about a challenge to the spiritual ambillagence that resembles the forces that are provided through growth of the aura.
Now Regression is a form of understanding were uve been and were you are going as this is a development that can accomplish missions that we are on this is a form that can divide the reaching point of devling into the process of the properties of the forecasting processes of the self as this is looking to the past it projects the future inputs of the missions of the worlds reaching the plots of the flight of the purest forms to bring about balaning of the meaning of experiance to bring about the why in exsistance...

Gypsee

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Hi VoodooGyal

Let me first of all geta couple of bits of "housekeeping" out of the way.

When I posted above that I wasn't jumping on you, I meant of course that I was replying as a member not as amoderator. I just wanted to clarify that.

Good questions Holistic, I just wish we could have a class discussion about this, but perhaps it's a bit too "political"

I see no reason, "officially" or otherwise, why this should not develop into an interesting and lively discussion. There will be a variety (I hope!) of different points of view, and threads only become "political" (with a small P) when they get personal and people react rather than responding.

Before Sunanda posted (Hiya [sm=wave.gif]), I was going to suggest you ask this teacher to join HP and give us his POV Particularly, as you say, in view of his open-mindedness.

I'm glad you enjoyed the Reiki. If it does work for people, it is quite often suggested that they seek an attunment to the first degree of Reiki, in order that they can do self-healing.

But perhaps the question was Reiki was a means of tool that is a distraction frombeing in touch with our creator?

Ah, now this is a point which has been much debated on HP. There are some who believe that no "intervention" is necessary and that anyone who wants to can tune in directly to the source. Others believe that sometimes a little help with making that connection - via a Reiki practitioner or spiritual healer, or some other healing modality- is needed.

My personal feeling here is that neither is right or wrong ... horses for courses ... or you could call it sitting on the fence! Reiki does not suit everyone, and they have turned away from it and said so on these forums, and that's fine ... it's their choice to follow whatever path feels right.

It seems to me that he sees Reiki as a system of making people believe anyone cannot access that form of healing .. ie he questioned, why pay money to get healing, when you can ask straight from God?

Reiki is not about MAKING peoplebelieve or feelanything! I can understand, however, that some might feel cynical about Reiki teachers connecting others to the energy, and in theory being unnecessary.

The question of money ... again, this has been debated at great length and in many threads, in the Reiki forum and others.

I agree in a way with Sunanda about the component partsofthis thread warranting separate treatment, but on the other hand they are all part of one person's beliefs. Fairly obviously, I feel I can make a contribution with regard to Reiki, but not for past life regression ... other than no thanks, I know enough not to want to go there! Nor astral travel.

Do keep us posted if you are able to have further discussion with him.

Holistic

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I have heard other people say that reiki is dangerous, mainly from those that are within the 'spiritual' community who do not practice reiki. At the end of the day, energy is energy pure and simple, which could be harmful or beneficial depending on its application. If using energy to help people to get better with no harmful side effects then surely this says something for that treatment?

If people become addicted to reiki it is definately not because of the reiki itself, it is likely to be that the person has either a deep need to be healed or may have an addictive personality that is attracted whatever is perceived to help them.

Personally I believe that everything such as astral travel, reiki and life regression is all part of the world we find ourselves in and the perceptions we create in our minds about these subjects are what we term as good/bad or healthy/dangerous. Ridding ourselves of these preconceived perceptions is the true way forward and eventually we will realise that everything is just pure energy in whatever form it is perceived to be in at that time.

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Hi Voodoo

We are in agreement with your teacher and have been saying the same thing via EAW for a considerable time. The energy of each individual is totally unique, should it be given to another then the result is illness. So now I wonder do you begin to see where illness originates? Your personal energy is as unique as a blood transfusion.

There is no difference between Reiki and Spiritual healing; they are both humanly contrived ways of controlling energy. Dr Usui is given credit for Reiki, but he was simply a healer using the energy of God that is available to all. Reiki came into being after his death, brought about by those seeking to copy what they saw but were unable to understand.

Sadly when the human seeks to control energy then the only energy used is that of the individual concerned rather than authentic energy from the source you refer to as God. Why indeed should you simply not just ask God for the energy you need for your healing? You are after all loved without condition throughout your lifetime and beyond. You will never be viewed as unworthy.

It is equally so when referring to astral travel or regression; these two practices in truth prevent interaction with Spirit. Regression has the effect of stopping your soul’s development for the current lifetime. Movement beyond your soul’s current level of understanding becomes impossible. Astral travel is very dangerous, totally misleading, and severe emotional turmoil is a likely result. Equally, while meditation is an acceptable method if you seek a quiet mind it is best avoided if you seek authentic communication with Spirit. The reason is simplicity itself; the human is again in control.

God/Spirit has total respect for your free will/personal intent and will at all times step back allowing you freedom to choose what you will; no judgment is ever inferred or passed. When an individual chooses to direct the treatment of an individual then they alone take the responsibility, the energy used is not that of God and is therefore lacking the ability to provide healing.

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Hi Voodoogyal,

Firstly, I would say that astral travel could be dangerous & past life regression could be disturbing (but I wouldn't say dangerous). Reiki on the other hand is not dangerous.

I'll try my best to explain what I understood from what he was saying .. when psychic try to see aura of a person, they mightinterprete a black spot as a hole.. but really it could be fuzzy cloud, not really hole.. so basically whatever you see through your third eye is an illusion, it seems to me he's saying that you cannot trust fully what you see through your third eye ..

Yes one cannot always trust what they see through their third eye, especially if they arent extremely experienced (I don't see how mis-understanding /misinterpretating something would be harmful though..) but Reiki doesn't really work in terms of the practicioner "seeing" where the energy is needed - its about feeling where it's needed - a technicality maybe...

Okay with the Reiki he explained to me that every living things on earth require different energy .. the plants need different energy from humans .. humans need the more soft,calm rainbow colour energy .. while the plant and animals need maybe more vibrant energy .. different frequency of energy i suppose .. now with so many Reiki out there, well can you imagine what kind of energy Reiki practicioner are using? Is it helpful or harmful? ..depends on the energy that is being used in healing.

Reiki isn't harmful - it isn't a case of using the "wrong" type of Reiki. Reiki is a positive life force energy & the person/plant/animal etc will take that energy if it is needed. If the person/plant/animal doesn't need that type of energy, it won't take it.

Reiki is like an addiction .. people feel good after receiving the Reiki, but the feeling does wears out and they end up going back.

Sorry, but that's just silly! Addictions are negative things - Reiki is not negative - the more Reiki the better I say! People feel good for putting their feet up & relaxing after a hard day & may do it every few days for the rest of their lives - it doesn't mean they are "addicted" to being relaxed & comfortable & resting their tired feet does it?!

I suppose what he was saying is that people have a high tendency to lose the touch of being in contact with God/universe .. when they get into Reiki .. with Reiki, they feel like a God.. Reiki attunement is like saying you cannot access healing unless you learn the tool of Reiki oryou pay the people who have learn the healing.. when actual fact is, why not ask directly from God?

I am a Reiki Master & I don't feel like a God lol. The healing isn't coming from me, I am just a humble channel for the energy.
It sounds to me like he is a believer of spiritual healing...(Not to generalise here, but I've found that some people who do spiritual healing, don't accept any other forms of non-god type healings & therefore think they are wrong to do.)
If receiving Reiki is harmful & addictive, then surely just asking for healing "directly from God" is just as harmful/addictive if the healing effect is basically the same.
One doesn't need to believe in God, in order to use Reiki...but surely you need to believe in God to ask him for healing?

Love & Light,
SS
x

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Hi VDG,

If I tell you that blood transfusions are good, will you believe me? Or will you ask if the person performing the transfusion
knows what s/he is doing,
has checked to see if the blood types are properly cross-matched,
uses sterile equipment, and
takes full responsibility for the end result?
Are you given the proper warnings of the possible side effects?
Do you have the ability to change your mind?
Do you fully understand the ramifications of your and the practitioner’s actions?

We generally care for our physical selves better than we care for our spiritual selves, and that is often because there is such confusion about what is and is not acceptable. There is a huge body of knowledge about appropriate care of the body, but not much agreement about what we should do in regard to spirituality. That’s mostly because we allow research into physical reactions but keep hands off the spiritual because we see spiritual as a belief system rather than a method of healthcare.

When you take a course in reiki you are told that it is a universal energy that can do no harm and regardless of your desire, goes where it is needed. All you have to do is put your hands in accepted places and think the appropriate symbols. You can accept that as fact if you want. Some do, many do not.

When you are trained in spiritual healing you also learn ways to manipulate energy to make someone else feel better. It is assumed that a benevolent higher power will cooperate with you to solve any problems that the receiver exhibits. You can accept that as fact if you want. Some do, many do not.

What each of these approaches has in common is the belief that good things will happen and bad things will not. You can accept that as fact if you want. Some do, many do not.

At least medical science acknowledges that everything that you add to the body changes things, sometimes for the better and sometimes for the worse. That’s the point in full disclosure. You can accept that as fact if you want. Many do, some do not.

There is an innocence (naivety, if you will) that accompanies the claim that energy treatments, whatever the source, are benign, especially when the only thing that backs up that statement is belief. There is no significant data to prove that any belief system is superior to another—that one is helpful and another is harmful. A practitioner of any form of energy healing will swear by the system they employ, but that’s about all there is to support their belief; their own word!

That’s equivalent to saying, “I believe that this works because I believe that this works.”

I prefer to leave it to the individual. If I were to believe that “my” system of healing works, then I must take responsibility for the good and the bad effects inferred upon another—neither of which ar

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I think this is the kind of thread where opinions will be mixed up and individuals may misunderstand each other due to the vague nature of the question. NOT that I'm saying the thread shouldn't have been begun as I'm sure you did your best to word it, and only had what you heard to tell us about.

Sunanda is surely correct, however about component parts. If only it couuld be restarted as three threads! - reiki, regressions, and astral travel.

I feel there may also be a problem with the word 'dangerous'. I suspect it's over-strong and your teacher may have meant something more along the lines of 'problemmatical'?

Can I refer to posts above and pick out two for "strongly agree" and "strongly disagree"?

First, by Holos:

When accepting healing energy do you:
ask if the person performing the (energy) transfusion knows what s/he is doing,
has checked to see if the (energy) types are properly cross-matched,
uses sterile equipment, and
takes full responsibility for the end result?
Are you given the proper warnings of the possible side effects?
Do you have the ability to change your mind?
Do you fully understand the ramifications of your and the practitioner’s actions?

Or do you merely trust that because someone says that there can be no harmful effect that there will be none. Would you do the same with any other kind of treatment to your being?


PS, I have the same opinion of guided meditation. Who is qualified to tell me how to communicate with my guides? That's my business and no one else can or should interfere!

Strongly agree, especially on guided meditation. My own heart knows where to guide me, and if I've had to sit in some groups where an incompetent leader led other trusting souls hither and yon, I've found it sometimes manipulative.

Some 'healers' are hardly that and you don't really know what they're doing - as neither do they!

Secondly, from EAW:

Regression has the effect of stopping your soul’s development for the current lifetime. Movement beyond your soul’s current level of understanding becomes impossible. Astral travel is very dangerous, totally misleading, and severe emotional turmoil is a likely result. Equally, while meditation is an acceptable method if you seek a quiet mind it is best avoided if you seek authentic communication with Spirit. The reason is simplicity itself; the human is again in control.

LOL, I've just been having a good belly-laugh before coming to this thread and have to continue it. EAW and I have dialogued before. You can always expect a 'reasoned response' :D:D:D.

I won't go into why I 'strongly disagree' (like in those tests) as it'd be off-thread. It would just be helpful to have some back-up reasons rather than the raw opinions. Then again, maybe not!

On reiki, regressions, and astral travel, there's very little evidence of people coming to much harm. Possibly the most concerning astral travel, but really, arms up - how many of us do that consciously and often?

All three come under what in Hinduism are called siddhis (powers or abilities).

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Interesting thread.

Reiki is a gentle energy and holistic way of life. I really like the answer about blood tests, because it depends on how ethical or well-trained the practitioner is. For instance, if the practitioner says "forget the chemotherapy, Reiki will cure your cancer", that practitioner is dangerous.

In my experience with clients, almost every single time I have performed a Past Life Regression, the client discovered a present life unhappy memory that we then healed. If such a memory surfaces, if the practitioner is not ethical and well-trained, then the practitioner is dangerous.

I have had to report one workshop leader to their association for leaving an abreacting client in distress and blaming her for the abreaction. It is only recently that I realised this event had traumatised me for 3 years, because witnessing such callous cruelty can be very distressing. The person leading the workshop has been struck off their association's membership, only to go and start up their own association. With the new regulation that will be in place in the next few years, hopefully this sort of thing will be less frequent.

I had clients come to me after they had been to spiritual workshops or training being told horrific things by the teachers. One lady was told that she was followed by an evil spirit when she asked a simple Reiki question which the teacher did not know the answer to. Another was told that she must suffer for the rest of her life because she was evil in a past life because the person telling her this did not have the right training to help her with her emotional problems and so preferred to keep her coming back for more profit rather than refer her on. Another was told that their partner was cheating on them because the therapist concerned did not know how to deal with emotional release and chose to add to the client's insecurity for increased profits. I can go on for weeks with horror stories like this.

I think this applies to many things, which is why it is good to go to a practitioner that hasn't just had a nice experience and pleasant day out for their training.

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In response to the very first post

as Archangel Michael once said 'Perception is an illusion that has no basis in reality'

this person is talking from their own perceptional consciousnress.

The Puppy Philosophy explains this well.........this man speaks of his own work, so follow your own heart and guidance Voodogal......

Yes the heart can have many tongues and the more we purify the self and our own consciousness the clearer the conscious vision becomes and in this clarity one finds the truth.

Completion of truth exists.

Divine Love

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Suzanne, whew, I just read your post.

I think it gives a very good case for why, though on the one hand we don't want materialism as a philosophy, as in allopathy, to be the only way toward healing one can find, on the other hand there is a need to be wary to a degree of some of the 'New Age' (or whatever term, complementary etc) methods. This is in no way to disparage many of them. But they vary so enormously and often you can't compare one to another. How for example can we compare the ancient technique of acupuncture and the years of training necessary to qualify with something wacky that someone dreams up and teaches over a 2-day New Age weekend?

Those 13 old fogies who denounced complementary medicine last week have a minor point in that, IMO, though I don't agree with them!

Venetian

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How for example can we compare the ancient technique of acupuncture and the years of training necessary to qualify with something wacky that someone dreams up and teaches over a 2-day New Age weekend?

That would make a good thread of its own Venetian......

How can one compare 4 years of acupuncture training to a life of service? Or a liftime of training from the divine? Or 3 degrees in life experience.......

How can we judge if we have not walked in the teachers shoes?

'One does not become enlightened without becoming compassionate, and one does not become truly compassionate while one stands in judgement of anything or anyone'.

Divine Love

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Getting out of bed in the morning is dangerous. Who knows what the day may bring?

Making a cup of coffee is dangerous as scalding hot water is involved.

Cooking is dangerous as it uses sharp knives, scalding hot water, burning hot ovens.

Driving a car is dangerous. It is a lethal weapon.

Riding on a bus is dangerous. Going to work is dangerous, having sex is dangerous, eating is dangerous...everything in life is dangerous.

Reiki is dangerous, past life regression and astral travel is dangerous...but it's all in the mind.

Believing that nothing is dangerous is also dangerous.

Respect for hot water, respect for burning ovens etc respect and taking care reduces risk, reduces danger. We live with danger every day..and we go forward and take the risk. Energy work is no different.

Nothing is more potentially dangerous than the mind. And this is exactly why we should take the risks. If we did not, we would still be living in caves..which are dangerous places.

Simply being alive is dangerous...so let's live with it and conquer fear..it is the barrier between man and God..fear..ego..separation..illusions of the dangerous mind...and it is also dangerous not to conquer these things.

You can't win..so why not just lose fear.

Bless

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Gosh...what a great thread & some quite thought provoking views.

I can only really add as someone without as much depth as you lot[&:]when it comes to spirituality/healing & as I've said many a time before on here I'm not one for reading books on spirituality so I fear in comparison to many of you I'm ignornant but I kind of like to find my own way......simplicity;)

I'm quite interested in the comments here about Reiki. I did Reiki 1 about 2 years ago, I actually did it because I had a dream about it & them someone local to me (I met through here actually) told me that they we're doing reiki 1 so I went along for the attunment also...I really enjoyed the expereince & I have always said to others who are undertaking reiki 1 to enjoy it...because, to me the attument was lovelly...but my word was I ill afterwards, I started getting a bad headache during the attunement & afterwards I was ill for a few days with a most terrible migraine[:'(]..I kind of took it be be all the toxins in my system, after all I hear reiki can make you worse before it makes you better, but I have actually paid for a treatment of someone & the same happened so I've never really pursude anymore Reiki & have just come to the conclusion that it wasn't for me.

Past Life regession is something that I often used to find fasinating & wanted to seek...sometimes even now I still wonder but I'm of the opinion that if past life memories where to serve me spiritually in this life then surley I would remember them, to me there's a reason to why we don't carry these memories into this life so I'm happy to leave it there...but i still sometimes like to hear about other peoples expereinces...that said I do sometimes get flashes..

Astral travel is something I know next to nothing about, it sounds fasinating but I think i would get scared[:o]

I love to meditate, when I'm on my own I just switch myself off as best I can, when I go to a development group the lady who runs it will start the meditation off & then we just go on our 'own way' which works very well for me & I enjoy discussions afterwards. I can't do full guided meditation because I find myself thinking 'Oh shut up & let me go'

Psychic abilities I sort of understand where your coming from (I think) if a person was to always try & learn these then yes it could be a block & a person may focus on it too much & not allow themselves to progress...so my opinion on that is that it's best for people to just accept that they've got them rather then try to develope them

There...thats my very un-deep 2 pence worth but I've just been reading this with fasination & wanted to add[:o];)
Love
Amy
xx