Hi Principled

Everything that we encounter within our everyday thinking aspect of consciousness creates a physiological response within our physical bodies that helps us to interpret and clarify what we are experiencing, you are right that acceptance has no emotions connected to it, it just is acceptance which when embraced in an open and non-judgemental way allows us to move into a neutral way of being in the now or present moment.

The mystery that baffled me for quite a while, was why our higher self aspect of consciousness and the oneness of consciousness did not illicit any emotional responses to anything, the answer was simply that (apart form the reality that they do not have a physical body to create the emotional responses that we utilise in this physical form for them) they utilise acceptance in place of judgement.

Have you ever considered that all emotive words are judgemental in nature, acceptance works simply because it is non-judgemental in its nature.

Love is a force, of that there is little doubt, but any force has to have a release path. That is where an acceptance comes in. Without it the force is ineffective. You can have billions of volts, but without a circuit it is harmless. We truly can think of God as unlimited love, but if that love is prevented from being expressed by rejection on the part of the recipient then it can't be effective. In my opinion human live is an automatic acceptance through the act of creation, but it does seem to be that when human thought interferes with that acceptance, either through opinion or emotion then that is when our problems start.

Have you ever considered that all emotive words are judgemental in nature, acceptance works simply because it is non-judgemental in its nature.

Is that why you always sign off with that emotive phrase, "Be happy"? :p

Love and peace (and other emotive blessings)

Judy

Is that why you always sign off with that emotive phrase, "Be happy"? :p

Love and peace (and other emotive blessings)

Judy

That is it, if we are going to be emotive, then we might as well enjoy the benefits that being happy brings to our general state of health and wellbeing. 😀

Hi again everyone, a friend has just sent me a link to an interview with Dr Eben Alexander - I feel he goes more deeply into what he understood from his experience in this piece than I've read from him before:

[url]Dr. Eben Alexander Says It's Time for Brain Science to Graduate From Kindergarten | Ingrid Peschke[/url]

He ends with these words:

Consciousness is the thing that exists. It is the support, the basis on which all of the universe is based. Consciousness is our oneness with the Divine. It is pure God-given love and power.

It's time for brain science, mind science, physics, cosmology, to move from kindergarten up into first grade and realize we will never truly understand consciousness with that simplistic materialist mindset.

Love and peace,

Judy

Sorry to keep bringing this chap up, but I find his awakening so exciting, because he is in a position of being taken seriously from within the scientific community and it appears to me that he is thinking more and more deeply about this subject. Here's yet another interview with him:

We need a far grander understanding of what consciousness is before we could ever move forward with an understanding of the nature of reality. It’s now time to move into the deep end of the pool. There’s a far grander wisdom out there and we need to open up and embrace it.

Love and peace,

Judy

There are some who understand consciousness as our interpretation of the "now" , that is, our current experience. They see the subconscious as the true "now", that which we may be identifying as our spirituality.
In Quantum terms the subconscious may be part of sub atomic particle energies, that because it originates from original creation, or the big bang, is actual understood as the spiritual identity that we are all a part of.....
NDE may be just that we are having temporary access to our subconscious, that universal particle level that consists of all possibilities. This may be possible when our own conscious has been suppressed, either medically or accidently.

Sorry to keep bringing this chap up, but I find his awakening so exciting, because he is in a position of being taken seriously from within the scientific community and it appears to me that he is thinking more and more deeply about this subject. Here's yet another interview with him:

Love and peace,

Judy

Sadly the fact that he is a scientist won't change anything. It takes a whole load of scientists and a whole load of evidence to carry the scientific community. I always use the fact that I am a pharmacist to get peoples trust when I talk to them about reiki . I hope they will think that since I AM a pharmacist I am not a total nutter. But I know it will take a whole lot more to convince the scientific and medical community that reiki is real..

Sadly the fact that he is a scientist won't change anything. It takes a whole load of scientists and a whole load of evidence to carry the scientific community. I always use the fact that I am a pharmacist to get peoples trust when I talk to them about reiki . I hope they will think that since I AM a pharmacist I am not a total nutter. But I know it will take a whole lot more to convince the scientific and medical community that reiki is real..

Tashanie I am with you for the most part but when you say: "Sadly the fact that he is a scientist won't change anything."
I think you are right, but for the wrong reasons. It matters not whether the man is a scientist an electrician or a plumber, the scenes he describes are to put it bluntly, standard issue christian wonderland fantasy. And indeed the promotion of this nonsense over these last few years from the devoutest of the devout tells us nothing. It is merely proselytizing.
Jesus is that an ugly word or what? I'm drunk and I've got sinusitis and I have about 1,ooo Kg of Klarithomyasin courssining through my veins. God is love. bullshit! we have a perfectly workable term for love, it;s called love. stop trying to define gog into existance. Faire well and xXx

Tashanie I sushpish I've made a complete balls of

Tashlane im soryy hon, i'll get back/

I'm dieing.

I wasn't commenting on his experiences. I haven't read what happened. But I have read other NDE's and they are pretty much the same. Unlike Principled I wouldn't see such experiences as proof of the existence of God or the divine origins of Jesus. I would see it as proof of the souls existence after death . I personally do not think ANY major religion has the correct description of what happens when we die. Sorry Principled. So Boson if you next post is to be a description of a fictionalised NDE of your own ....please don't bother because you have misunderstood where I stand in the debate. The surgeons NDE was real for HIM. Whether it happened or was a construct by his subconscious is something that can never be known really

Oops, I lost this and reposted below to Boson.

Is it possible that the actual term of NDE is incorrect. Should it be Post Death Experience. If we think of death as the end of our physical existence then anything that survives has to be post death. The book "The Field" by Lynne McTaggart for me has been one of the few Science based accounts of our fundamental construction. Whether one associates this with an intelligent creator is up to the reader.

Sadly the fact that he is a scientist won't change anything. It takes a whole load of scientists and a whole load of evidence to carry the scientific community. I always use the fact that I am a pharmacist to get peoples trust when I talk to them about reiki . I hope they will think that since I AM a pharmacist I am not a total nutter. But I know it will take a whole lot more to convince the scientific and medical community that reiki is real..

Good point Tashanie!

Laurance Doyle, an astrophysicist, I feel summed it up here:

LD: I think it's important to be on the alert and not allow fundamentalism to define two limited choices about creation. On one side, there's the literal fundamentalism of religion that can miss the point by taking metaphorical teachings literally. But there's also a literal fundamentalism in the science community, and it's called "materialism." Materialism is fundamentalist science. It interprets form as cause by saying, for example, that the time is in the watch, that the watch is keeping time, so you investigate time by dissecting the watch. Well, one also can miss the point—the underlying principle—with this kind of "literalist" approach.
From "CREATION CONTROVERSY taking the questions deeper"

And from

BB: For those of us who have had this experience, the assumptions of materialism are laughable.
EA: Right. They just fail miserably and even if you haven’t had a near-death experience, when you see them flailing around trying to explain the bright light, the tunnel, with simplistic, rudimentary, pseudo-explanations, I mean it really is pathetic. So, of course, pure materialism fails miserably and needs to be rejected. And that is what I think is happening now. Science is expanding and there are a lot of scientists who get this. There are still a few that are stuck in the simplistic, kindergarten-ish level of thinking that I used to be stuck in.

NDE may be just that we are having temporary access to our subconscious, that universal particle level that consists of all possibilities. This may be possible when our own conscious has been suppressed, either medically or accidently.

Scomm, the point about Eben Alexander is that he was brain dead for about 7 days.

On November 10, 2008, however, at age fifty-four, my luck seemed to run out. I was struck by a rare illness and thrown into a coma for seven days. During that time, my entire neocortex – the outer surface of the brain, the part that makes us human was shut down. Inoperative. In essence, absent.

When your brain is absent, you are absent, too, or so I would have told you before my own brain crashed.

- See more at:

. It matters not whether the man is a scientist an electrician or a plumber, the scenes he describes are to put it bluntly, standard issue christian wonderland fantasy.

Bosun, I can see by your remarks that you have neither read Eben Alexander's book nor read his interviews on this thread.

Actually, in the interview above, there is no mention whatsoever of religion, Christianity or Jesus and the book isn't about it either - it's about what he discovered through his experience about consciousness.

And finally, Is it really necessary to always be so rude and insulting towards what you perceive is religion?

Scomm, the point about Eben Alexander is that he was brain dead for about 7 days.

Hi Principle

Eben Alexander only states that he was in a coma for 7 days...Many people have been in a coma for much longer. He goes on to state that it was the outer perimeter of his brain that appeared shut down. Does medical science have the technology to say exactly what the consequences of this situation are. Many medical tests have suggested that our brain, or parts of it were no longer "working" yet patients have inexplicably revived themselves and had a complete recovery with the previous non active brain tissue now responding to stimuli..
I do think that it is a step too far to say that his brain was dead, more in a state similar to suspended animation
In that book "The Field", scientific (not medical) exploration of the involvement of our brains have raised suggestions that what we know at present of the role of the brain could be totally incorrect. The doctors can still treat physical malfunction of the brain but its actual participation with regard to our existence could be completely different to present doctrine.

It's OK guys, I don't believe the god you don't believe in ether! :p

But I do believe in one universal Mind, or consciousness, I do believe in infinite divine Love, in one universal Truth, in eternal Life, which has its being in and of Spirit, in immutable divine law, or Principle, all of which we are one with, which constitutes our real substance and in which we live and have our being.

My point in starting this thread was not to have the same old misunderstandings of the word "God" come up, but to say how delighted i am that a medical practitioner who is used to studying and looking to matter as cause and effect, as beginning and end, suddenly has proof that matter doesn't contain mind - or life - and that his book may be one of the pebbles thrown into the pond of entrenched human thought (almost as entrenched as the anti-god brigade! 😉 ) and help people become more open-minded and to start to accept the possibility of limitless being, rather than finite existence.

Love and peace,

Judy

Absolutely agree with you there, Judy. My mum had an NDE following a road accident years ago. Her experience was similar to those we hear about and she was never afraid of death.

Love,
Patsy.
xxxxx

I almost started a new thread, but then remembers this one Judy started and thought that this news article from the BBC today (well yesterday, I don't look at it that often) was quite interesting in this respect...

[url]BBC News - Near-death experiences are 'electrical surge in dying brain'[/url]

All Love and Reiki Hugs

Hi Giles,
This can be true of course but how does science explain 'dying brain' when people are brought back from their NDE's and go on to live normal lives, such as my mum did after her experience? If a brain is dying then it will eventually die.

Very confused.

Love,
Patsy.
xxxxx

Hi Giles,
This can be true of course but how does science explain 'dying brain' when people are brought back from their NDE's and go on to live normal lives, such as my mum did after her experience? If a brain is dying then it will eventually die.

Imagine a wind up torch with a recharchable battery in it.
As the power drains from the battery the bulb in the torch is seen to be dying, the filiment starts to go cold, the properties within it start to change... however if the torch is then wound up, the battery comes back to life and so does the bulb, restored to it's former glory.

Seems logical to me anyway.

All Love and Reiki Hugs

Thanks Giles. Makes sense, how you describe it. What intrigues me though, is that everyone who has had an NDE (my mum included) seems to have had the same or at least a similar experience. Maybe these feelings, etc are from a dying brain, but maybe there is more to it than that?

Very interesting discussion.

Love,
Patsy.
xxxxx

Absolutely agree with you there, Judy. My mum had an NDE following a road accident years ago. Her experience was similar to those we hear about and she was never afraid of death.

Love,
Patsy.
xxxxx

Hi Patsy, good to see you here! 🙂 So glad you got your mum back!

I can't remember whether I mentioned it earlier, but I've had a similar experience (without the tunnel) of a blinding light, a feeling of beatific bliss and a clear knowledge that I am spiritual, not material, once when I had an out-of-body experience following a physical healing through prayer when I was 17. I wasn't near death, just in agony from period pains. I'd been sent home from school where I had fainted. Up to that healing, periods were always heavy and painful. After it, they were light and painless. None of that had anything to do with electrical impulses in the brain!!

Actually, I was listening to this (I think) really interesting Q&A about what happens after death by a Christian Science healer called Mark Swinney. In the first part, he mentions Eben Alexander and several other authors who have written about their near death experiences. Here's the info on the page. It's about a hour long.
[url]"Heaven: It’s not only real, it’s here"[/url]

In this inspiring chat, Mark explores two major themes about heaven. The first is the encouragement people find from near-death experiences and the abundance of books on the market today chronicling accounts of people having “died” only to “come back” and talk about their perception of heaven. The second is about heaven itself: What is the nature of heaven? And is it something that can be experienced here and now by any one of us?

Mark answers questions about how near-death experiences can make “the afterlife” seem so much better and happier than life on earth; whether these so-called near-death experiences really show life beyond death or whether they are just a state of consciousness; if we can know what actually happens after we pass on; whether anyone experiences hell after death; how we can all know we deserve to “live in heaven” right now; and what we can do to wake up and feel the present reality of heaven right here with us.

Love and peace,

Judy

To also answer GIles (as Patsy has resurrected him too) 😉 scientists try to explain all this away with electrical charges etc. Well, Eben Alexander, during his experience, had a young woman walking beside him. It wasn't until he came back into this world's experience that he found out that he was one of a twin (he had known he was adopted and never felt right as a result). Later, he was visiting a birth relative and saw a photo of the young woman who had walked beside him - it was his twin sister who had tragically died some years earlier.

Can't explain that by electrical currents or oxygen deprivation either! :p

Oh and this is an aside. Somewhere earlier on in this thread I was being accused of promoting Christianity or religion or something (all because of the word "heaven" in Eben Alexander's book title). Well, I had a look at what some fundamentalist Christians said about him and his experience and blimey, it could make your hair stand on end - it was equally as vitriolic as some of the atheist websites attacking him!. Nobody likes anything that doesn't conform with their own "norm."

What I love about (most) people on HP is that they are open-minded and are not frightened by thinking about something different.

Love and peace,

Judy

having just passed my 10th year anniversary on HP, I sometimes feel I need resurrecting... LOL!

Aside from that, I do consider myself to be open minded... of course that's my mind thinking... I can't speak for anyone else. 😀

All Love and Reiki Hugs

Yep Giles, I'd class you among the open-minded people, therefore the ones I love! (I'd give you a kiss smiley, but it doesn't exist anymore - boo hoo!)

Well, I try to love everyone - just don't like some (those that tell you you are wrong because you don't believe or think exactly as they think or believe)! 😉

* kiss smiley * back at ya! 😉