It is said that in part it is desire that binds us to this earthly plane and the cause of countless reincarnations and to reach the highest plane one needs to become desireless.
So my question is how does one become complete desireless what can be done? help :rolleyes:
(to add what I'm really asking is how to go beyond any deep routed desires you have).
The desire to be desireless is a desire.
Selfless action, carried out without any concern for personal reward is the way to recognising our true nature, that part of us that is made in the image of God. The true Self is whole and complete. Being without desire is a side-effect of realising the Self.
All religions teach ‘abandon desire’. Much energy is spent in suppressing and denying desires. They don’t go away. So you try harder and they push back with more vigor and the fight gets tough… The game goes on. It is a vicious circle. You have been told that desires are the path to hell.
What is desire? Desire is an impulse to expand. That is all. Examine any desire that you have in your heart, it will become clear.
Do you desire more money? Before you feel bad about it, ask what more money means to you. It means bigger house, more comfort, more joy, more respect, more love more health the list is endless… You see it is looking to be more. Expansion is your destiny. You are part of an ever expanding universe. Expansion is the language of your being.
Desire is natural. How else can your journey even begin? Desire to become desireless... It starts here with this desire.
Honour your desire. Not half heartedly but with a gusto. Don’t doubt yourself. Don’t scatter your energies. That depletes you.
“OK I have this desire to be rich”
Ok I totally honour my desire to be Famous.
Acknowledge. By denying and judging any desire we make it dirty. Desire that feels bad dips your vibration.
recognize beliefs that have made certain desire ugly and fearsome. Don’t just push it down where it came from. This alone gives you courage and clarity to transcend that is hidden under the pile. You soon gain clarity.
The desire keeps coming back for the simple reason that you keep pushing it back. The moment you stop your fight the desire evaporates. Mind games!
What are you frightened of? That is where clarity is needed, beliefs and conditioning and habits need to be investigated and that moves the energy
Embrace your desires. They want acknowledging. Suppressed, stifled, denied desire stinks.
Negation keeps you divided.
Negation makes any desire dirty.
Desire is the very seed of creation. Once you accept a desire with innocence, it is crystallized. It stops running you. It loses its hold over you. It lets you go. You jump back in the flow.
So my question is how does one become complete desireless what can be done? help
It appears to me that desire is just an impulse for a person to fulfill needs. Because a person has many aspects of existance (IE, the body has it own needs, mind has its own needs etc). Therefore desire only exists when a person has a need for something. For example, if the body knows that if it doesnt not recieve nutrients, it will die, then the person should have a desire to eat. If a person has a need to have a child, then they will have a desire to give birth or adopt. If a person wants to be all knowing then they will seek ways to enhance their knowledge, by seeking said knowledge in books, or through other channels, and they will have a desire for books and etc. So quite naturally a person's desires bind them to the earth because since they exist on the earth, they have desires. If they were to lack any desire whatsoever, then they would likely leave this plane of existance.
to reach the highest plane one needs to become desireless.
You could argue a lot about whether or not a person who left this plane will return in a higher plane, ie, if a person drops out of school at the 9th grade, it doesnt mean they will automatically graduate even though they no longer have to attend school.
Because desire begets needs, it is far more interesting to look why needs arise in a person. Needs arise when a person is wary of something on any level of existance. If the body is afraid to die, then the body will have a need for food/shelter etc. If the person is afraid to be alone, a need to form relationships will arise. When there is a fear of something, then a need appears to avoid that and to talk of desireless existance, it seems the first step would be to get rid of fear, if one does not fear anything then needs will not appear and therefore desire will not be present.
This is why it is pointless to battle one's desires because the more one battles it, the more desire arises because the feeling of need increases. Battle one's fears, not one's desire. If one fears nothing, then perhaps this isnt the plane for them, earth is more for those who have fears. Nobody can exist on earth without fear.
It is said that in part it is desire that binds us to this earthly plane and the cause of countless reincarnations and to reach the highest plane one needs to become desireless.
So my question is how does one become complete desireless what can be done? help :rolleyes:
(to add what I'm really asking is how to go beyond any deep routed desires you have).
Hi I think we have to look within to find our true selves and be comfortable with who we are warts and all and then we can let go of the need to find outside influences to make us happy.
x Shirley
To get the desireless state of mind one needs to do a lot of meditation. It is all about leaving everything in the hands of god coming in your life for good and bad done. Devoting completely to the service of one's deity is another mean of getting this state just like meditation works.
To seek to be desireless because it has been said that you will reach a higher plane by doing so is something of a conundrum.
At the moment you are a person who desires....hearing that there is something new to be experienced opens you to accepting change when it is here.
Perhaps a positive step you might take now is to look at what you desire and why.....that is a pathway looking into your psychology (what makes you tick)
All the best xx
Something I read the other day...
"I want peace."
'I' is the ego, 'want' is desire. Remove ego and desire and you have peace.
It is said that in part it is desire that binds us to this earthly plane and the cause of countless reincarnations and to reach the highest plane one needs to become desireless.
So my question is how does one become complete desireless what can be done? help :rolleyes:
(to add what I'm really asking is how to go beyond any deep routed desires you have).
I know I'm going to come across as crass here, but to put it bluntly from (my)self, my answer to the question would be to 'not give a feck and just be':)....in each and every moment xxx
[COLOR="DarkOrchid"]Buddhism is big on overcoming desire i.e. attaining emotional detachment (because desire causes suffering). Since I had a propensity for unrequited love, I found it very beneficial to explore and - eventually - obtain this. My experience of this is that whereas life will then be less rocky, it will also be less vital....like experiencing it through a screen. In many ways, this is a little similar (in effect) to being depressed! I don't know that I would really recommend it as a constant state but nice to have the ability to distance yourself from negative emotions. One hindrance/side effect of having achieved emotional detachment is that I find it very hard to initiate seeing anyone, (e.g. being the first to make that phone call/invite) since it's ingrained in me that this is a desire. Can't somehow shake that off since desire has connotations of being weak, needing to overcome it. 
It is said that in part it is desire that binds us to this earthly plane and the cause of countless reincarnations and to reach the highest plane one needs to become desireless.
It is said ...but not by everyone. This isn't a universally accepted belief. That being so, why desire desirelessness?
Desire (like ego - another oft talked about part of our make up) is human. That's what we are at the moment. Why not enjoy it and learn what we can from it?
[COLOR="DarkOrchid"]Buddhism is big on overcoming desire i.e. attaining emotional detachment (because desire causes suffering). Since I had a propensity for unrequited love, I found it very beneficial to explore and - eventually - obtain this. My experience of this is that whereas life will then be less rocky, it will also be less vital....like experiencing it through a screen. In many ways, this is a little similar (in effect) to being depressed! I don't know that I would really recommend it as a constant state but nice to have the ability to distance yourself from negative emotions. One hindrance/side effect of having achieved emotional detachment is that I find it very hard to initiate seeing anyone, (e.g. being the first to make that phone call/invite) since it's ingrained in me that this is a desire. Can't somehow shake that off since desire has connotations of being weak, needing to overcome it.
We are human, having desire is part of this......it is not weak, it doesn't need to be 'overcome', it just is. Best to accept and see what it teaches you.....
Is desire not one of human's great motivators? - for good or bad. Sitting back and doing nothing is actually not an option as nothing gets done. Even Buddhists have the desire to be more spiritual do they not?
It depends on your definition of desire. I think, in Buddhism, it's used to mean a kind of emotional craving. Yes desire is needed for ambition but this is not the subject of this thread. You can live with intent and be active.
It depends on your definition of desire. I think, in Buddhism, it's used to mean a kind of emotional craving. Yes desire is needed for ambition but this is not the subject of this thread. You can live with intent and be active.
The point at which (shamanically) I would disagree with this is that Buddhism simply directs one to overcome this. Since I would say that a “craving” is a result of imbalance, generally caused by intrusion or soul loss, I would not expect anyone to be able to move past it until the imbalance was rectified.
The point at which (shamanically) I would disagree with this is that Buddhism simply directs one to overcome this. Since I would say that a “craving” is a result of imbalance, generally caused by intrusion or soul loss, I would not expect anyone to be able to move past it until the imbalance was rectified.
[COLOR="SeaGreen"]Interesting Crowan...but (in Mahayana Buddhism) overcoming desire involves addressing it, e.g. by observing the emotion and letting it 'wash over' you via emotional distancing. You gain a wider perspective - being more in touch with spirit than ego. 
Interesting Crowan...but (in Mahayana Buddhism) overcoming desire involves addressing it, e.g. by observing the emotion and letting it 'wash over' you via emotional distancing. You gain a wider perspective - being more in touch with spirit than ego.
If you have soul missing, or an intrusion in you, allowing the emotion to "wash over you" is not possible. Once the extraction and/or soul retrieval has been done, the person can then address the problem and overcome it.
If you have soul missing, or an intrusion in you, allowing the emotion to "wash over you" is not possible. Once the extraction and/or soul retrieval has been done, the person can then address the problem and overcome it.
[COLOR="Purple"]By "soul missing" I assume you mean that the person has lost contact with their spirit? We are all spirits experiencing life in a human body. Not familiar with your association, e.g. "an intrusion"?
Of course there are a myriad of ways to combat this issue, not any one right/wrong way. You, no doubt, have your method which works for you. I am just contributing here what I have found works for me.:)
By "soul missing" I assume you mean that the person has lost contact with their spirit? We are all spirits experiencing life in a human body. Not familiar with your association, e.g. "an intrusion"?
I mean that one of the person’s souls (or, if you prefer, one of their soul parts) has got lost, often in the grey fog that is between here and the Land of the Dead. They tend to gravitate to the same places that lost souls of dead people do.
I could agree (on one level) that “we are all spirits”. However, spirits are not all “experiencing life in a human body”. Many of my friends are spirits either in some other type of body or in none at all.
An intrusion is a spirit that is either residing in your body or is attached to your body. A good shamanic practitioner can extract such a being and/or retrieve the missing soul part.
I’m not disagreeing that
there are a myriad of ways to combat this issue, not any one right/wrong way.
What I am saying is that an extraction/soul retrieval will make your way easier to put into practice.
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