Define 'spirit' then - over to you guys

RE: Define 'spirit' then - over to you guys

Hi kim

Thanks for coming back to me with regards to evolve.

Love
Sharon

RE: Define 'spirit' then - over to you guys

Mac, I think the language barrier works here. With drifting I mean floating, "zweven" we call it in dutch and that means not being entirely here on the planet but being more in the spiritual world. Losing touch, going on and on about the spiritual side without balance. Sorry that i cannot explain it better.

RE: Define 'spirit' then - over to you guys

ORIGINAL: marijke

Mac, I think the language barrier works here. With drifting I mean floating, "zweven" we call it in dutch and that means not being entirely here on the planet but being more in the spiritual world. Losing touch, going on and on about the spiritual side without balance. Sorry that i cannot explain it better.

That is an excellent explanation Marijke - I now follow what you were saying.

For me 'grounding' can be a major problem when I have to lift myself to try to appreciate the sensitivity levels that are commonplace experiences with sensitives.

But, at other times, I feel that some sensitives are so swamped by their feelings that they lose balance - EXACTLY the point YOU made. Thank you.

I am greatly impressed by your English language ability .

mac

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Can I stick my oar in? (Although I feel that my concepts are often totaly different from what has been said, but it's just my uinderstanding).
I feel spirit is what we are in a spiritual world, while soul is a part of a spirit that incarnates in a body. When we incarnate, we still leave some spiritual energy in a spiritual world. There is also an option of a dual incarnation, when spirit can incarnate as 2 (it's rare, but happenes) different souls in 2 different bodies.
It took me some time to grasp this theory, but I feel that I can understand it now. (and it's your thread that helped me, thank you, Mac).
On the question of when spirit (or it's part) enters the body I might disagree with you Freda. I would say it happens when the embrio is about 3 months old. What you felt might have been a biological rather then physical sensation and feeling ( and how to determine if it wasn't?) Spirits are very careful with new biological life. They do it gently, trying to get to know each other first. Sometimes even after a child is born spirits can be in and out of the body, untill chil'd brain is mature enough to blend with a spirit completely. I know it sounds crazy... But! Have you ever heard kids talking to themselves? I know we all are talking to ourselves. But kids are doing it, like they are, sort of.. in 2 places at once...Can't describe it in any other way, and I am not talking about medium kids, that speak to some other "dead" spirits(it's different). Almost all kids speak to themselves as if they have 2 egos.
However, Freda, I was sooo excited to read about vibrations that you described, when soul leaves or enters the body. Wow!!!! I've experienced it soo many times during my OBEs , and it was well before I read anything about it. It was terrifying but wonderful at the same time. And I am always fascinated to read that people have experienced the same things during OBEs or near death experience (althogh the latter onece are not ver good experinces, I know) and it wasn't just a dream then, it was a real physical sensation of leaving my body. The body vibrates and a spirit comes out like a smoke. Because I was soo terrified at the time I'd will myself to wake up and open my eyes, I'd feel those vibrations for a wile, while soul eneters the body and I'd see some kind of smoke above me...

Love
Tanita

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Paul Crick,
I am afraid I deisagree with you completely. Evolution is a basic law of any universe. We are not just experiencing, we are learning. If there was no progress in this world then there would be no change. Porgression towards the perfection is what motivates us as spirits and as biological beings (althoug in biological form it might take some kind of grotesque forms at times). I shall take as an example a driving test. When we learn how to be a driver, we DO NOT learn how to crash our cars, we learn how NOT to do it. According to you, we all need to learn how to be a murderer, we all have to try and be a pedophile at some point. This is NOT a spiritual concept. Only those who avoid those imperfect experiences will progress. Those who crash will not pass their driving test and would have to do it again...

Love
Tanita

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It took me some time to grasp this theory, but I feel that I can understand it now. (and it's your thread that helped me, thank you, Mac).
On the question of when spirit (or it's part) enters the body I might disagree with you Freda. I would say it happens when the embrio is about 3 months old.

Hi Tanita

My pleasure! I'm pleased that this subject has helped you think along different lines.

I've extended this subject further in a new thread titled 'embryo and spirit' - you might want a look-see?

I'm hoping energyatwork will come back to you on your observations - the Ives have the special knowledge and experience to comment. There's much in what you say that I agree on. But I have no depth of understanding here.

mac

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Mac, well actually, me and energyatwork, we have a total disagreemnt in the way we see spiritual world and the ways of it. We've establisdhed it before, so I don't think it's going to help me , but everybody is entitled on their own views...
I'll take a look at your new topic later (once I am back home). Sounds interesting..
Love
Tanita

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Whoopsee! [:o]

Ah well......another contributor may be able to help here Tanita.

later.........

mac

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Hi Tanita,

Well actually it came in a questions and answer session with Magnus, that the soul first entered the foetus at the moment of conception, several years after my experience. It reminded me what had happened with me and made sense of how I had felt at the time. It was as if I had had the experience explained to me in the answer he gave to a query by someone else. Nothing biological about it - it was a deep inner knowing that I was pregnant at that precise minute.

That was why I asked Mac if it he thought it was my son's soul communicating with mine, in that one instant - and if we arrange these 'contracts' during our sleep state with those who are going to incarnate into our lives ? That idea fascinates me. I think that is another question for Magnus - in the future.

I know that the spirit of a child spends more time in the spirit world than it actually does here for much of its early life, and that until they start school and integrate their learning - they are often aware of spirit and the other world. Sadly this all changes from then on for many of them.

LOL - I spent most of the time my kids were growing up - speaking to myself, but somehow I don't think this is what you meant.... sorry to sound so frivolous ... I do know what you mean.
I would dearly love to experience going through the tunnel, again - but there is always the chance that I may not want to come back, and that is a risk they are not prepared to take. I have a job to do - its what I came for, and I cannot go back until it is done.

Sadly, I must accept the decision ... and look forward to the time when I can 'hang my boots up'.

with love
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