Define 'spirit' then - over to you guys

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Hi Mac,

Leaving those kind you get in a bottle out of the way eh ? 😉

To me the spirit is the part within that animates the body - the soul. Without it the body would not be able to exist.

It is an exact replica of the physical body, and is what survives the physical death when we pass from this life and return to the spirit realms again.

Many years ago when I was shown what it was like to die, it was ages before I realised that the shaking vibration I experienced at the time, was the spirit/soul journeying through the shakras and out through the top of the crown. That is how close the spirit world is to us - it is a world within a world. The tunnel that is spoken of being travelled down, is the journey through the body that the spirit/soul is making towards its eventual release via the crown shakra.

I was actually thinking about the spirit entering the body for the first time this morning just before getting up .... there are different views of when this is supposed to occur, some say one thing and others feel it may be another .... as if in answer to my thoughts, I was taken back in memory to an event that I experienced first hand.

Without going into any detail of a very personal nature, I can safely say that it is at the moment of conception that the spirit/soul enters the host body for the first time. I knew I was pregnant at the moment I conceived.
This was the child that I 'lost' when he was born three months premature - and who now works closely with me from the spirit world.

Now, a question for you here Mac, was it my spirit/soul that was telling me this fact ? Was it the communication between my spirit and that of my proposed child ? I definitely knew from that moment, and that there was a special reason for what was happening.

Was I 'consulted' during my sleep state with regard to his birth ? Is this what happens when spirit/souls are incarnated on earth, do we enter into contracts with those who are joining us - during our sleep states ?

Spirit and soul are the same - some people use one word or some the other; the dictionary definition is the same but to my mind it is the very essence of our being, the essential part that is evolving back to the source of everything that has ever existed.

So, which word would you use yourself Mac to describe the animating energy force within ..... 😉

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Dear MC

To me spirit energy is different to soul energy the confusion comes when people combine the two.

Spirit energy does not incarnate but soul energy can become spirit energy once the soul has evolved to the point of no return to the earth plane.

being love

kim xx

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Hi Kim

There are some rather large assumptions in your post, to my understanding we are not here to evolve at all as we start and end up in the same place and just chose to come here to experience things in the flesh that we cannot experience as pure energy beings. 😉

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ORIGINAL: freda

Hi Mac,

Leaving those kind you get in a bottle out of the way eh ? 😉 I like to leave them in my way Freda - they help me concentrate!

To me the spirit is the part within that animates the body - the soul. Without it the body would not be able to exist. I see it this way although I can also see that 'soul' and 'spirit' can be used in slightly different contexts - energyatwork gave their definition recently

It is an exact replica of the physical body, and is what survives the physical death when we pass from this life and return to the spirit realms again. Isn't this the etheric body Freda?

Many years ago when I was shown what it was like to die, it was ages before I realised that the shaking vibration I experienced at the time, was the spirit/soul journeying through the shakras and out through the top of the crown. That is how close the spirit world is to us - it is a world within a world. The tunnel that is spoken of being travelled down, is the journey through the body that the spirit/soul is making towards its eventual release via the crown shakra.

I was actually thinking about the spirit entering the body for the first time this morning just before getting up .... there are different views of when this is supposed to occur, some say one thing and others feel it may be another .... as if in answer to my thoughts, I was taken back in memory to an event that I experienced first hand.

Without going into any detail of a very personal nature, I can safely say that it is at the moment of conception that the spirit/soul enters the host body for the first time. I knew I was pregnant at the moment I conceived.
This was the child that I 'lost' when he was born three months premature - and who now works closely with me from the spirit world.

Now, a question for you here Mac, was it my spirit/soul that was telling me this fact ? Was it the communication between my spirit and that of my proposed child ? I definitely knew from that moment, and that there was a special reason for what was happening.

Was I 'consulted' during my sleep state with regard to his birth ? Is this what happens when spirit/souls are incarnated on earth, do we enter into contracts with those who are joining us - during our sleep states ? Arrangements rather than contracts???? During sleep? Well, maybe.......I sometimes wonder if those who sleep long and deep are away in the astral, their much-preferred location??? Although I have a particular interest in this subject, Freda. I have little detailed understanding - I'd like to invite Steve and Nancy in here - they too have special affinity for this aspect. Your presentation I find quite appealing - and you have experienced that special something which helps your understanding. Intriguing.

Spirit and soul are the same - some people use one word or some the other; the dictionary definition is the same but to my mind it is the very essence of our being, the essential part that is evolving back to the source of everything that has ever existed.

So, which word would you use yourself Mac to describe the animating energy force within ..... 😉 Crafty monkey! It's ME who asks the questions! :D:D:D And to answer your question, for me the animating force is what I term 'the spirit'.

with love

mac 😀

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ORIGINAL: Sacredstar

Dear MC

To me spirit energy is different to soul energy the confusion comes when people combine the two.

Spirit energy does not incarnate but soul energy can become spirit energy once the soul has evolved to the point of no return to the earth plane.

being love

kim xx

I'm lost with this Kim.....

mac

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Mac
Crafty monkey! It's ME who asks the questions! And to answer your question, for me the animating force is what I term 'the spirit'.

I fink you mean the bottled kind that animates you to scribble now and then:D[8D]
Steve

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Hi Mac

Thankgoodness you brought this up. Get myself in a right paranormal pickle when I see the word spirit in posts.

To me Spirit means those who have crossed over, spirit side people.

I think like Freda I also think of soul/spirit as the same thing. Called soul here but becomes spirit when we cross over. Looking forward to nancy and Steves info on this.

Kim: Could I ask what you mean when you say evolve? I've never quite understood what this means. Mac, If that's ok with you? Just I have asked this before but no-one picked it up.

Much Love
Sharon

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ORIGINAL: energyatwork

Mac
Crafty monkey! It's ME who asks the questions! And to answer your question, for me the animating force is what I term 'the spirit'.

I fink you mean the bottled kind that animates you to scribble now and then:D[8D]
Steve

Qui? Moi? Non. non! Well....just sometimes perhaps...it just so happens that I was given a wee bottle of a certain distillation and it would be churlish to refuse...and it just so happens I've had a WEE drop a wee while ago...but just to help me sleep soundly...

I'm sure you understand.........;)

mac :D:D:D:D

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ORIGINAL: Sharon

Hi Mac

Thankgoodness you brought this up. Get myself in a right paranormal pickle when I see the word spirit in posts.

To me Spirit means those who have crossed over, spirit side people.

I think like Freda I also think of soul/spirit as the same thing. Called soul here but becomes spirit when we cross over. Looking forward to nancy and Steves info on this.

Kim: Could I ask what you mean when you say evolove? I've never quite understood what this means. Mac, If that's ok with you? Just I have asked this before but no-one picked it up.

Go for it kid - happy to sit and watch what comes up.

as always

mac

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by Kim:

To me spirit energy is different to soul energy the confusion comes when people combine the two.

Spirit energy does not incarnate but soul energy can become spirit energy once the soul has evolved to the point of no return to the earth plane.

Dictionary definition of spirit is that it is the vital animating essence of a person; - the intelligent non-physical part; the soul.

Soul - the spiritual or immaterial part of a human being, often regarded as immortal.

Whichever concept you have of it, the energy remains the same in whatever form it takes while incarnating in a physical body .... once the need for incarnation is passed, then it returns to the purest form of energy and eventually merges with the oneness.

But, there are several 'deaths' to overcome on each sphere before this 'state' can be achieved.

Mac:

I have a book somewhere that explains about the different 'bodies' we have within the aura - but I did not pay much attention other than to skim through it years ago. I will have to look it out and report back.

I think there are seven - and I have just been thinking that if we shed one with each 'death' we have to meet in the spirit realms, could it be that when we shed the final one we are then at one with our maker ?

God, you are getting me to think deeply the last couple of days. 😉

Got the address OK - and again, you are welcome.

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Hi Mac - just a quickie - promise!

My understanding of Spirit is always with a capital "S"

Spirit: God; good; omnipotence; omniscience; omnipresence; omni-action.

We are the reflection of the one Spirit, Soul.

Judy

Please nobody reply to this or I shall be in trouble again!

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Humans want always to be separated from what they have been. They work very hard to create boundaries where there are none and limitations when none are necessary.

Think for a minute about water. Water exists normally in three forms; vapour, liquid, and solid. When you say water, your mind can envelop all of the forms of water that you know and can even give rise to the possibility that there could be intermediate forms that you do not yet know.

You can imagine water in the tap, in the garden hose, as a waterfall, a cloud, an iceberg, condensation on the window, as the main component of your physical body, even as it occurs in a water treatment plant. All is water, but vastly different expressions of it exist. This list barely begins to touch the varieties.

Now think of how we access water. We breathe it, we sit in it to bathe, we use it to create power, we transport ourselves across it, and we rarely think about how or why we do these things. We do not spend quantities of time wondering when water becomes ice or how many times it has been ice before. We don’t question exactly when water appeared in the scheme of life, but know that it is a requirement for living.

We accept that without water we cannot survive and yet we try so hard to capture the essence of Spirit, which in many ways is like water. In its physical form we can call it human. In its animating sense we can call it the soul. In its eternal sense we call it heavenly beings. But in essence it is all the same.

All is Spirit.

You can use the spirit that YOU are to accomplish things that are not in line with the unconditional Love that is the body of Spirit. That energy, your own, is given to you to use as you see fit. With it you may create any kind of evil at your choosing. You need not create good, for that already exists. You may access good at every turning for it is there at your disposal whenever you wish to use it.

When you are ready to leave the incarnation you currently express, you complete your second contract conveying to all that you have completed your human experience to your own satisfaction. This may not be a conscious decision, but many times it is. Your transition to the body of Spirit takes no time at all and your soul (the animation) again appears in the form of the heavenly beings. It remains close to the realm of humanity only long enough to provide comfort to those who need it. In the appropriate time, the total reintegration with the body of Spirit will occur.

So, again, there is no point at which Spirit is separate from any other thing. All that you are, all that you choose, all that you dream, all that you wish to be is Spirit. You cannot sort Spirit as you do the post; there are no individual cubby-holes into which you may stuff different concepts of “all that is.” You are oneness with all else.

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Darn good question. [sm=newangel.gif]

For me the answer is as follows:
(from a very much of a trainee angel) [sm=newangel.gif]

Spirit is what defines your whole being, the entire essence of what you are now, what you have been in the past and what you will be for time eternal.

It represents where you came from and where you will go to. It means you are a part of the Creative Intelligence which made you.

You, the real you, are never going to 'die' for energy changes, transmutes, becomes something else.

Who was it who said 'from God you came and to God you will return?'

Sunspot called God the Infinate Intelligence, and I like that expression of His Being.

love and Light

Gllyxxxxxxxx

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Dear Paul and Sharon

Archangel Michael

'self development is teaching the soul to fly'

so in this context he is referring to the evolvement of the soul.

We know from past life and soul retrieval work that the soul energy holds a great deal of painful memories...........in my understanding the spirit is pure light.

Archangel Michael has discussed in the past that we are making amazing breakthroughs and that we used to achieve this across many incarnations but now we are achieving this in one lifetime. Some call this the quickening............

Each and every one of you has evolved..........if there was not evolvement there would be no enlightenment. Although some souls do arrive here enlightened but in the past they have been few and far between.

The first step is self mastery.

When you are enlightened there is no need or desire to return to the earth plane for experiences. This is why two thirds of the world's population will cease to walk this earth.......interesting that the latest figures from the European Statistics confirm this prophecy that in 2050 there will be 2/3rds less Europeans due to the drop in the birth rate.

being love

Kim xx

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Gosh don't some of us get confused! we are all spirit. there is no difference in my opinion with spirit and soul, they are one in the same. we will all have different explanations of it. For me our spirit is what keeps us alive, our life purpose, we have all heard the saying "bet that lifted your spirits". Our spirit is who we are, our soul is who we are, one in the same, dont complicate it. we all wish for answers to many questions. There will always be different explanations, different personal experiences. I have had a few encounters with spirit, my dad for instance, the spirit that has passed over, i have felt him in my aura and in my chest, a wonderful feeling that cannot be described, his visit was very short, almost instantaneous but enough to give me an insight, however brief how close the two worlds are. i strongly believe our spirit chooses which body/person to belong to for that persons life purpose. when the journey and lesson learned/done then the spirit leaves the body, during the death process or passing over process. Not sure if making any sense. One thing i find interesting is how some people lose the will to live. does this mean that they give up on life, or has the spirit had enough so it ends the person's life. interesting. anyway thats another post. this one is very interesting indeed but i personally feel no one will have the correct answer - although some seem to think they are page the oracle!! and have the answers to the universe!! its not ours to reason! it just is! we will all have our answers when the time is right:D.

with love and light

tammy

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Hi all

To me spirit means a lot of thing it can mean the ones I see

But to me it’s the love and com passion that sits in side of me and a feeling of love for every thing on the planet and gives me such awesome insights in to this world and what I am being in it

Its could be called the soul it could be called any thing to me its irrelevant its just being with self and all that is me and the ones that is all in spirit and here
Its being every thing and nothing all at once if that makes sense

Party hard in all that you are
Party in your game called life and all that is you
Have fun and love to you all

Love brent

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Dear Tam

We are just sharing.......that is how we grow........we have different experiences and knowledge to share and to ponder on........thats what makes HP such a wonderful place.

Dear All

I thought I would share this with you for further discussion.

The Soul

The soul is the quality which every form manifests. It is that subtle something which distinguishes one element from another, one mineral from another. It is the intangible essential nature of the form which is in the vegetable kingdom determines whether it is a rose or a cauliflower, an elm or a watercress shall come into being; it is a type of energy which distinguishes the varying species of the animal kingdom, and makes one man different from another in appearance, nature and character.

The soul......is neither spirit nor matter but in relation between them. The soul is the mediator between this duality, it is the middle principle, the link between GOD and form. Therefore the soul is another name for the Christ aspect, whether in nature or in man.

The soul is the form-building aspect, and is that attractive factor in every form....which drives all GOD's creatures forward along the path of evolution, through one kingdom after another, towards an eventual goal and a glorious consummation.

The qualities, vibrations, colours and characteristics in all the kingdoms of nature, are soul qualities....The qualities are brought into being through the interplay of opposites, spirit and matter, and their effect on each other.

The soul of mankind is not only an entity linking spirit and matter and mediating between Monad and personality, but the soul of humanity has a unique function to perform in mediating between the higher three kingdoms in nature and the lower three.

The light of the soul is like an immense searchlight, the beams of which can be turned in many directions, and focussed on many levels.

The outer garment of the soul (physical, vital and physical) is part of the outer garment of GOD.

Source: Alice Bailey - Ponder on This

Now in the encyclopedia of world religions it says this about Spirit

SPIRIT
In various religions a supernatural power or unseen deity thought to have contol over destinies of man and generally to be believed to be susceptible to the influences of Shamans and Priests.

being love

Kim xx

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thanks Sacredstar we all learn from others that the purpose of life. but there ae still some who think they know it all and they make me laugh.

with love;)

tammyx

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Mmmm yes i also think that "all is spirit" but perhaps it's just in which context you put this word? some may call God/Buddah/Allah etc. (appologies for spelling?) Spirit but it's all and the same is it not? it can be used in the saying "lifting our spirits" as tammy mentioned, it can be someone who passed over, maybe the confusion lies in how we are interpreting how someone else is using this word in which case we can just ask them if it's our confusion - tammy made a good point and i feel that surely nobody has the correct answer and yes perhaps we will all have our answers when the time is right.....although i don't think they will be the same for everyone so to say that something is absolute or the truth and give it a definition can be misleading.

Love to you all, la butterfly [sm=sandrine.gif]

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Hi all I have no purpose he in the physical
Just here to party and time out from my job on the other side
So a beach bum ill be till they call me up for my next assignment on this plane to mix up some energies ha ha

Christmas at the beach and time to mess up some woman’s life’s again ha ha
Drink till I cant stand up and play acdc at the top till my ears hurts time to party

And may be thay will give me something to do

Have fun

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ORIGINAL: freda

by Kim:

To me spirit energy is different to soul energy the confusion comes when people combine the two.

Spirit energy does not incarnate but soul energy can become spirit energy once the soul has evolved to the point of no return to the earth plane.

Dictionary definition of spirit is that it is the vital animating essence of a person; - the intelligent non-physical part; the soul.

Soul - the spiritual or immaterial part of a human being, often regarded as immortal.

Whichever concept you have of it, the energy remains the same in whatever form it takes while incarnating in a physical body .... once the need for incarnation is passed, then it returns to the purest form of energy and eventually merges with the oneness.

But, there are several 'deaths' to overcome on each sphere before this 'state' can be achieved.

Mac:

I have a book somewhere that explains about the different 'bodies' we have within the aura - but I did not pay much attention other than to skim through it years ago. I will have to look it out and report back.

I think there are seven - and I have just been thinking that if we shed one with each 'death' we have to meet in the spirit realms, could it be that when we shed the final one we are then at one with our maker ?

God, you are getting me to think deeply the last couple of days. 😉

Got the address OK - and again, you are welcome.

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Thanks Freda - shall look forward to some entertaining listening.

Interesting aspect of seven bodies - matching the seven levels of existence presumably? Hadn't thought in depth about this but had considered other issues such as the appearance of one's body according to who you were in any existence.

Hope you can find the book and give us all some more to think about.

As I said somewhere else recently, asking questions - getting folks to think a little more - is about all I can do.

with love

mac

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Super-smooth!

Wish I'd been able to say that....

mac

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Mac
So do we:)

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ORIGINAL: energyatwork

Mac
So do we:)

Gotcha! I understand what you're saying - before your message opened onscreen I 'knew' you'd be saying something similar 😉 Well...I didn't actually 'know' ;)............ I correctly anticipated.........:D

What a smart a** I am! [:'(][:'(][:'(]

mac

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i too have a book but its up the attic and its cold. it explains healing and the different layers of the body. i will try and find it out...arrghhh wont sleep now wondering where it is but i will endeavor to find it.

tamx

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Dear Tamlamb

Big smiles I hear you!

Dear All

Just to put another cat amongst the piegeons

There are eight layers in the depths of consciousness and four in the breadths of consciousness.

All is multi-dimensional and there is multi-dimensional ways of looking at everything.

blessings in abundance

kim xx

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ORIGINAL: Sacredstar

Dear Tamlamb

Big smiles I hear you!

Dear All

Just to put another cat amongst the piegeons

There are eight layers in the depths of consciousness and four in the breadths of consciousness.

All is multi-dimensional and there is multi-dimensional ways of looking at everything.

blessings in abundance

kim xx

I'm still no further forward Kim........[:-]

mac

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we are embodied spirits. sometimes we have to ground ourselves to avoid to drift

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ORIGINAL: marijke

we are embodied spirits. sometimes we have to ground ourselves to avoid to drift

I agree with the first statement, Marijke, but I have no idea what the second statement means. [:-]

mac