RE: 13 dimensions of Life

Hi Parsifal,

Is it possible to ask questions from the 3rd dimension (this mental, personalityand intellectual approach) and expect to get answers which will reduce and squeeze these 5th dimensional and higher aspects and experiences back into the 3rd dimension consciousness?

I think the answer is no. 😀

It is impossible to answer these questions. These dimensionshave to be experienced as higher consciousness.

To do this, we have to surrender the desire to ask these questions and do serious spiritual work to go into these dimensions.

The questions you ask are perhaps delay tactics to avoid spiritual work and growth.

These things will not come to you through question and answer exercises. You have to go to them through dropping the mental, emotional and physical bodies and dimensions. Not easy....easier to just ask questions.
🙂

Cheers

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Dear Parsifal

ORIGINAL: Parsifal

Hi

I think that Universe have 13 dimensions of Life, and I am interested in fact, about first fifth dimensions. What's are the qualities and domain of influence each of them?
On which dimension exist our subconsciouness and on which colective subconsciouss?

I can only share with you what the divine have taught me. If it resonates with you then great if not then you have the free will to find your own way or ask Great Spirit yourself.

Consciousness has both depth and breadth so all is part of the all in this respect.

From which dimension comes our dreams?

That depends on the intent/content of the dream and where the dream has come from, some comes from the unconscious, some from the sub-conscious and some is coming from Great Spirit.

Wheter is Astral Plane fourth dimension and Mental Plane fifth dimension? Parsifal

The divine have shown me there is no such thing as an astral plane, although you can create it if you believe in it, what you believe becomes your reality.

The 4th dimension is conscious awareness of metaphysical reality it is the dimension of conscious aware transition from 3rd to 5th.

5th dimension is the equivalent of Christ Consciousness/Buddhahood.......Bodhisattva of Compassion, it is a high state of pure being - love.

Dimensional reality lower than 4th is material/literal/physical/carnal states of consciousness and being.

Between 3rd and 5th you move from 'Being to Becoming' your God self of immaculate perfection.

Divine Love in manifestation on the earth plane.

You are truly able to walk between the worlds of different dimensional consciousness in conscious awareness and your existence is a Kingdom of Love, Yeshua called this the Kingdom of God.

Divine Love

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PS These quotes may help you further, and it is as easy as ABC when we believe it is so........just give it love.

'One can take things too literally,
the innocence of a child can see truth more clearly,
a child's eyes and heart are not hampered by
engrained judgments, others perceptions or academia.
Which is why Yeshua said, 'You must become as a child to enter the kingdom of heaven.'

'I was shown a vision of a closed black oyster type shell. The people who had the shell in their hand’s were very frustrated because they kept hitting the shell harder and harder on the rock of literals, they were trying to force it to open. They could not understand why the beautiful shell would not open for them. Yeshua said 'In their innocence they are refusing to see that all it takes to open the shell is love, but while they continue to be rigid in their thinking and keep their hearts closed, the shell will never open. You truly understand me, they did not wish to listen, they did not wish to hear me but the truth still rings in their ears.'

'When you do not understand just give it more love'.

from Sacred Words

Divine Love

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Hello Parsival,

We have wondered, just as you have, about the arrangement of the workings of Spirit and the levels, or dimensions, which are a part of that design.

Part of our understanding is that there are many aspects of the universe that are unknown to us, but if the question arises, it is acceptable to ask. The answers can be hinted at and probably partially understood, but once the curiosity is addressed, the importance of the dimensions themselves is diminished in our minds.

Part of the difficulty is in our thinking of dimensions in the same way that we think of floors of a building, numbered and measurable. We tend to think that we enter a lift and when we are “there” the door will open to a different dimension where we stay until we are ready to move on. But it isn’t quite that way. It is more like the gradations of the colours in a rainbow. At what point does red become orange and then orange become yellow? There is no line of demarcation.

Speaking specifically to the development of the soul, we are aware of thirteen benchmarks, or dimensions, if you will. All twelve are contained within the thirteenth, for at any point in your development you are within the concept of total development, which we refer to as the I AM.

So in drawing the diagram of development, you would, perhaps, draw a pyramid of Eleven “steps” and then draw a circle around the whole picture. Everything that the soul can be will be found within the I AM.

Now, starting at the “lowest level” or the beginning (remember these are human concepts), within the entire development which is Thirteen, you will find One and Two which are origin and original choice.

The third dimension is the Physical Life of the human soul.

The fourth dimension, also understood as the astral, is a place apart from all the rest, not one of the steps, although it is still contained within the totality of development. It is a containment for all that the human mind wants to create. It also isolates control, manipulation, deception and exploitation, which are not a necessary part of the soul’s journey. If you choose to engage in these behaviours as perpetrator or victim, you isolate yourself in a place of little Love.

The fifth dimension, beyond the influence of the fourth,is where the soul takes the first step toward total oneness. It is the acceptance of free will for all.

In the sixth dimension there is a growing awareness of the workings of Spirit interaction.

In the seventh dimension the soul begins actually learning the ropes.

In the eighth dimension you concentrate upon your special skills, chosen as your ultimate (meaning eventual) expression while at level two.

Think of the ninth dimension of soul developmen

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I was told 12 states of being in the dimensional thinking so very close so thay may go like this as told to me through channeling
And when I see myself in action I can see myself move in and out these states of being

1 existence
2 survival ……..most animals
3 eye for an eye “where some of the world sits”
4 what am I going to get out of it “where most of the world sits”
5 doing it for the love of doing it “ some people sit this state”
6 acceptance of what is …………..Loosing judgment
>>.>the rest are ways of being hard to put in words
7 unconditional love …acceptance with love and passion for all of the planet
8 oneness .. when we see the all as one a part of you and all as perfect
As far as I have got so far
So cant really comment about the rest

Hope that helped

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As a energy perspective

1 nothing
2 Christ as the creator
3 Christ as the savior and judge
4 Christ as a teacher
5 Christ as a friend, Guide
6 White brother hood or assended masters…..lots of energies but all have a physical prescience
7 Christ conchissness ……..lots of energies but losses the physical and a group of energy's working as one
8 Source, all is one, all energy is Christ as I am all that one energy to, all energy is source, I am source

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Dear Vortex yes you and I have received almost identical information on the depth of consciousness.

1. I WANT TO BE SAFE e.g. survival - Root

2. I WANT TO BE HAPPY e.g. happiness outside of the self - Sacrel

3. I AM POWER - e.g The I AM presence, this energy can be used for good and not so good. - Solar Plexus

4. I GIVE DIVINE LOVE e.g. unconditional love and compassionate action - Heart

5. I ACCEPT e.g. flowing with the universe - Thymus

6. I AM BLESSED e.g. communication from the heart - Throat

7. I AM ALIGNMENT e.g. completion of male and feminine energies aligned into oneness - Third Eye

8. I AM BEING PEACE e.g. universal consciousness in unity with the source. - Crown

I have also learnt that we have at least two inner chambers one in the heart and another in the third eye and when these open the soul merges with the Spirit.

As far as above 5th dimension is concerned the information that I have received is completely different to Holos and when a person reaches the 5th dimensional reality they are then ready for further information, hence why it is not disclosed at this point. However, I can tell you that it is connected to inter-galatic realities.

Divine Love

PS you are given information from Spirit on a need to know basis and what your soul is ready for; hence why truth evolves. However, completion of truth does exist.

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PPS one can perceive it as going up in an elevator without stopping until one gets to the boardroom with God or one can perceive it like the Egyptians, the soul as a Phoenix rising from the ashes.......it matters not how you view it, what really matters is love and through love beyond measure your soul rises in consciousness.

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Hello Brent,

A psychologist named Lawrence Kohlberg published the same stages that you mention as his "theory" of human moral development. I would agree totally that this is the way we, as humans, grow in our knowledge of how to behave through our lifetime. He also mentioned the same numbers of people at each stage of development and says that very few will ever reach the top levels of understanding. Additionally, we shift between one level and another based upon the situation and our needs at the time.

It does differ, however, from how the soul progresses through our entire history of being.

Kim,

I have also learnt that we have at least two inner chambers one in the heart and another in the third eye and when these open the soul merges with the Spirit.

This would indicate a degree of separation that does not exist. All is One from the very beginning and our soul is always an expression of Spirit.

Nancy

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Dimensions!

For any who have only been on HP a few months or less, you may not understand why the subject gave me a smile. ;)It's a very wooley subject when discussed on a New Age forum as everyone means something different by it. All the same, it looks as though in this thread everybody is happy to hear each other's 'take'.

But it's been rather funny in the past when those with scientific minds met those guided by 'Spirit' etc. It turns out people mean quite different things by 'dimension'.

Really, dimensions relate to geometry. So a line is one dimension, a theoretical flatland would be two dimensions, in science we live in a three-dimensional world plus the addition of movement through time, time becoming the fourth dimension. And that's it! - in the scientific perspective. I chuckle to recall an ex-member and ex-moderator, Hugo, who tried to get this across again and again. 😀

What's interesting though is that even in scientific theory, superstring theory now has it that we live in a universe of 13 to 17 dimensions. It's complex and I'm not going to get into it all here!

But this is a New Age style forum so often people are talking about something quite different and the main gist I get so far here is that people are talking about stages of consciousness. There's not IMO much point in disagreeing too much on what the number of those stages is, since you can break it down to any kind of number you like. What's one stage to one person, another might consider breaking down into three stages.

So we're all coming from different points of view, and the subject is hardly new on HP.

Not with any intention of bringing in a negative vibe, but simply to put across my own PoV as others have, I haven't a clue where Holos gets "dimension 12" as being the realm of the Ascended Masters, and I also don't agree that the realm of Spirit is the same as things down here. Well - it is and it isn't: the truth is a kind of ambiguity IMHO.

As Divine Love probably recalls, I disagree also with "the divine" showing her that there is "no such thing" as the astral plane. There is, objectively, whether one believes in it or not, so I'd have to say that my 'take' on that is a bad connection or wrong information received. But, you know, in the long run, in life, what does it matter in a thread like this? It would matter more if published in a book, say, what is true or untrue, but a net thread is more along the lines of chat.

What do I go for? I accept and also experience the classic Theosophical model which has seven planes of existence, from the hard physical right up to the realm of God Selves. In terms of spiritual progression I go for the model that the vast majority of humanity are not yet at what Theosophy calls "The first Initiation" which is the stage at which one becomes an earnest seeker for spiritual progression. There are sub-stages, but basically in this model (which the Masters themselves endorse) the Fourth Initiation is that of Arhat, which is an unascended Adept; and the Fifth Initiation is the Ascension after which one no longer reincarnates.

Venetian

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Sound feedback Venetian 😀

You know, everyone, when all is said and done, there is a great deal said and very little done. 😉

Dimensions of consciousness, dimensions of being are 3D mental concepts and I still maintain that for those who have experienced higher dimensions these questions...

What's are the qualities and domain of influence each of them?
On which dimension exist our subconsciouness and on which colective subconsciouss?
From which dimension comes our dreams?
Wheter is Astral Plane fourth dimension and Mental Plane fifth dimension?

These questions simply do not exist in higher dimensions. They are questions created from a dualistic 3D concept of space, time and consciousness. There are no questions in higher consciousness as the questioning nature of the 3D mind falls away. There is knowingness and understanding...no question.

We may as well ask..what does toffee taste like? What does ice cream taste like? To know we have to taste..to experience and no amount of questionsor answers will squeeze 5D into 3D.

The question is...why are we asking these questions?
If we believe (mistakenly IMHO) that by asking and answering these questions we will gain something then it is like expecting to taste toffee without putting it in the proverbial mouth and sucking it, tastingand seeing.

Questions like these are tricks of the 3D mind designed to maintain the mind in a 3D state of consciousness. How much longer are you prepared to be duped by this crafty trickery which you yourself perpetuate?

Better to do the work to get that toffee into the mouth..then..all questions disappear into peace and bliss.

Gimmee the toffee!
😀
Yum yum..tasty!

Cheers

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All dimensions live in the present and you as a individual choose what you reside in like the astrol plain is a way of being built on intention
But in saying that when you move to the higher dimensions the concepts of dimensions don’t exist for in being unconditional love such concepts don’t exist like divine justice, Kama, good and bad, right, wrong,
Like if you see yourself as here to learn, heal, or life as when you have come to a certain point in development you don’t have to come here anymore. With such concepts the experience of the oneness eludes youYou came here to experience, to be, you came because you choose to, as all did, you will evolve as we be human all do, all is perfect whole and complete as it is, you have total freedom here to be anything you want, with such concepts or thinking’s the higher realm can be seen in normal life as you play in this play ground

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Interesting thread, and once more, so interesting to see the different points of view, but without any animosity.

Mr FirstLight, I think you hit a number of nails on the head - in mystical experiences all is One and you hardly think about such things as 'counting dimensions'. All is one, yes. But most of us are not always in a mystical experience of the highest kind! I know I'm not. And the differnet planes, or the different stages of consciousness, are IMHO very useful tools to have in mind, no matter how we each number them. They are tools, and IMHO also a reality (in maya), and so help one in getting from A to B.

Put it this way. Suppose we are mountain climbers. The fuzzy way of tackling a high mountain would be to say "There are no stages, there's no need to plan, and we have already succeeded, so let's just start climbing." Now that's a recipe for disaster. What you actually do is scan out the objective terrain, plan where your base camp and higher camps will be, and decide how many days it will take, and find out how thin the air is at the top, etc, etc.

Same with the spiritual Path IMHO: you get in all the information you can and use it wisely, and you plan, rather than just in a fuzzy way saying "There is no need for that, all is One, you are there now, just be it." In practice I find that detailed knowledge helps toward real spiritual success. 🙂

Venetian

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The fuzzy way of tackling a high mountain would be to say "There are no stages, there's no need to plan, and we have already succeeded, so let's just start climbing." Now that's a recipe for disaster. What you actually do is scan out the objective terrain, plan where your base camp and higher camps will be, and decide how many days it will take, and find out how thin the air is at the top, etc, etc.

Same with the spiritual Path IMHO: you get in all the information you can and use it wisely, and you plan, rather than just in a fuzzy way saying "There is no need for that, all is One, you are there now, just be it." In practice I find that detailed knowledge helps toward real spiritual success.

Ah yes, Venetian, :DYou are correct.

But the tools are there precisely to inform us...there is no mountain.

We create the mountains in our mind..and again..there is no mind..no mountain. Why struggle?

All spiritual work is simply the struggle to surrender to what already just is. The 3D mind cannot accept this and so remains..climbing mountains created by its own mind as a trap to keep us bound by our thoughts and mental concepts.

To surrender these concepts, our identity and our very idea of who we perceive ourselves to be is the mystical meaning of the crucifiction..."Into thy hands I commend my spirit"
OLD TESTAMENT
Psalms 31:5
Into thine hand I commit my spirit: thou hast redeemed me, O LORD God of truth. (KJV)

NEW TESTAMENT
Luke 23:46
And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost. (KJV)

We have to die to these concepts of who we are. This takes tremendous courage and is the goal of our spiritual journey our struggle. All else is nonsense and distraction (IMHO) and we go nowhere and gain nothing by pandering to the tricks of the mind.

As we surrender, the truths of the higher dimensions of our being are revealed to us...for we have emptied our cup...we have made room for them.

More toffee please!
😀

Cheers

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Hi again Mr F 🙂

I both agree and disagree. it would take the length of a book to go into why so I can't do that!

But I agree with every word you write - but at the same time I also believe (and experience) the need for stages, planning, and being practically realistic about where we 'are' right now and how to get from A to B.

It is true in the highest sense that we are already God. But we are not expressing Perfection as Jesus or Gautama did. Down here, that's fact. So I do believe there's a need to be practical and to use methods.

You see, the problem here is that people sometimes say "I am THERE. I have already ARRIVED. I am God and I have nothing more to do but be myself" ... when to any outside observer they may be pretty screwed up and no example to follow! They have the illusion of having 'arrived', and believe it, but in fact have many human or psychological problems they haven't yet faced up to.

V

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Venetian :DI agree with you 100%..no need to write your book.

But as we know.."By their fruits ye shall know them."

So don't worry about them and the fruits. Consider that you no longer need to delude yourself.

It is true in the highest sense that we are already God. But we are not expressing Perfection as Jesus or Gautama did. Down here, that's fact. So I do believe there's a need to be practical and to use methods.

Yes we are expressing the same perfection. "Know that ye are all Gods..ye are all Children of the most High"

Perhaps a part of your delusion is that you are lesser than you might dare to be or become..if you dare to let yourself and surrender to the fact.
😀
Cheers

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Mr_Firstlight

These questions simply do not exist in higher dimensions. They are questions created from a dualistic 3D concept of space, time and consciousness. There are no questions in higher consciousness as the questioning nature of the 3D mind falls away. There is knowingness and understanding...no question.

When I meditate, I have sence of Love and Joy and feel energy in my chakras, with other common thoughts in background, but when I am in the state of full (3D) consciouness, my mind asking for answers.
Who asking - my Mind or my Soul trought my mind?

Buda, Jesus ... be Ascensed,but at the same time, they also have had mind, becouse he is necessary for any kind of comunication.
Maybe the main diference between them and us is becouse they are be anchored in the Spiritual world and we are in the 3D world.

PS What mean IMHO?

Divine Love and Vortex

As you mentioned, it seems that yours perceptions diferent dimensions of Life, come trought your chakra sistem.
Each chakra for one dimension - it can be to work.

Holos

Part of the difficulty is in our thinking of dimensions in the same way that we think of floors of a building, numbered and measurable. We tend to think that we enter a lift and when we are “there” the door will open to a different dimension where we stay until we are ready to move on. But it isn’t quite that way.

I admit,that I similary imagine diferent dimensions of consciouness.

Your further explanation of dimensions is exellent, and now I better understand them. Thanks.

Venetian

It's a very wooley subject when discussed on a New Age forum as everyone means something different by it.

Really, dimensions relate to geometry. So a line is one dimension, a theoretical flatland would be two dimensions, in science we live in a three-dimensional world plus the addition of movement through time, time becoming the fourth dimension. And that's it! - in the scientific perspective.

But this is a New Age style forum so often people are talking about something quite different and the main gist I get so far here is that people are talking about stages of consciousness

It is the main reason therefore I post this topic.

Wish you well

Parsifal

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PS What mean IMHO?

In My Humble Opinion 🙂

Who asking - my Mind or my Soul through my mind?

And who is answering? Your mind or your soul? 😀

Soul already knows. It is for us to bring soul into matter and into mind whilst incarnate in 3D. In this way we bring light into the world. And this is what matters. Not the questions.Not the answers. They are what interfere in order to prevent bringing this light into the world...because we prefer the darkness of "mental activity" to the light of our true being and nature. IMHO. 😀

We are beginning to understand that we cannot use thinking and thought asour perfect wayof solving the "problems" of the world...because the very act of thinking creates the opposites in a dualistic world.

Thought on its own without love..without unconditional love, isdualistic and is the lesson we learn... eventually...we can chose to love and use love and compassion totemper and softenthought and "reason". This brings more light into the world and is the process of Ascension..now beginning for Earth and humanity.
😀
Cheers

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ORIGINAL: Mr_Firstlight

It is for us to bring soul into matter and into mind whilst incarnate in 3D. In this way we bring light into the world. And this is what matters. Not the questions.Not the answers. They are what interfere in order to prevent bringing this light into the world...because we prefer the darkness of "mental activity" to the light of our true being and nature. IMHO. 😀

We are beginning to understand that we cannot use thinking and thought asour perfect wayof solving the "problems" of the world...because the very act of thinking creates the opposites in a dualistic world.

Thought on its own without love..without unconditional love, isdualistic and is the lesson we learn...

Again I agree and also disagree.

Ideally we are all perfect saints, and our 'characters' and pasts of thought and feeling don't matter. Ideally we just become the One and let it all flow through.

That ideal, however, rarely happens, as people simply do have personality and karma and a present life situation. It's here, in a very practical sense, that we do IMHO need to plan and figure out in our minds what our next spiritual move is i.e. the idea that spiritual progress is done without engaging the mind is a no-no area IMO. Everybody thinks and everybody figures out their next 'move'.

But again, I agree with you in the idealistic way. In deep mystical experiencesI didn't even have a CHOICE about whether to use my mind or not! My mind didn't even exist, and I didn't even know my name; in fact I didn't even know that I existed, apart from being a part of God, or the whole of God.

So I think we can all talk at crossed purposes when the best way is to keep both options open, and that both are true. Which also means that while we are mortal and living in this world, we do have to keep our mental brains and heart-emotions open and functioning as this is just the natural (IMHO) and logical way to go. 🙂

Venetian

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LOL Venetian 😀

a coin has two sides..in a dualistic universe..and they can agree or disagree with themselves to my hearts content.

It really doesn't matter. Everyone is right and everyone is wrong. and yet something remains despite all of this.

Cool innit?
😀

Cheers

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ORIGINAL: vortex

As a energy perspective

1 nothing
2 Christ as the creator
3 Christ as the savior and judge
4 Christ as a teacher
5 Christ as a friend, Guide
6 White brother hood or assended masters…..lots of energies but all have a physical prescience
7 Christ conchissness ……..lots of energies but losses the physical and a group of energy's working as one
8 Source, all is one, all energy is Christ as I am all that one energy to, all energy is source, I am source

Brent,

This explanation has been with me for hours. It is a beautiful picture of the way that we come to know our place in the workings of Spirit. Thank you for this work of art.

I love the way you are able to share your experience with us. Feet on the earth and head in the heavens!

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ORIGINAL: Holos

Brent,

This explanation has been with me for hours. It is a beautiful picture of the way that we come to know our place in the workings of Spirit. Thank you for this work of art.

I love the way you are able to share your experience with us. Feet on the earth and head in the heavens!

Don’t know if my feet are on earth yet ha ha
Still living life in lala land with the voices in my head even taking over conversations with people to point of saying shut up to all those energies this is my conversation
But life would be so boring if it all stopped and if I had to live the way I did when all the weird stuff won’t there
And ps when I thought physic art was weird, now they are using my hands to make all sorts of weird stuff like they made an awesome easel for me its all just to weird for this guy that didn’t want to even want to do this stuff and thought every one that dose this stuff is nuts but that makes me a really nut
I can tell you there are no dimensions all is limit less if you look out side the square no lines bounders anything is possible and just waiting to see what interesting things ill be doing next
Party hard enjoy every moment in this awesome place earth resort

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Holos and Vortex it was pointed out to me in Israel that if a Hebrew claimed they had become their Christ self they would be killed.....so what is Christ to one person is not applicable for another and what I have learnt from the divine in recent weeks is the sheer importance of universal symbols, universal words, universal understanding if we are to be instruments for co-creating unity consciousness, one planet, one people, one heart and in so doing PEACE.

Holos there is only separation in a consciousness that is separated, oneness is just that oneness. In oneness we view all as oneness......However, in the oneness there are layers of the being just like we have layers of skin that we shed.

Well Venetian of course you have to plan you are a Virgo.....:DVirgos love the detail so maybe your major spiritual progress this life time is to learn to have no plans and completely surrender.......in my experience it is in total surrender that great progress is made. Same goes for the Astral plane. Of course you would disagree as it was Theosophy that were the major promoters of the Astral plane and everyone else followed suit, like you so often remind us. However, that does not make it universal truth, more a generational truth or truth of a particular age....that some people grow out of ;)once the paradigm shift is complete.

Same with seven and this really goes back to religion as well.

Interesting that we are in an 8 year, the year of spiritual transformation.

There are dimensions that relate to consciousness and there are dimensions that are beyond consciousness in human form.

Infinity............

Divine Love

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it was pointed out to me in Israel that if a Hebrew claimed they had become their Christ self they would be killed.....so what is Christ to one person is not applicable for another

And thus we see an example of the restriction and the judgment of organized religion.

But what the Christ is, Kim, language and labels aside, is an experience and a oneness that is individual to each who encounters it. Organized anything cannot contain or explain it.

the sheer importance of universal symbols, universal words, universal understanding if we are to be instruments for co-creating unity consciousness, one planet, one people, one heart and in so doing PEACE.

And as the experience is truly an individual one, there cannot be a universal understanding, any more than you can understand my relationship with Spirit, nor I yours. The best we can do is to acknowledge that we all will have our own consciousness and that some of us don't want to have what others have!

I can tell you there are no dimensions
all is limit less
if you look out side the square no lines bounders
anything is possible

Thanks, Brent

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As to Christ its just a label I could have used Buda
It in the labels as to a physical person, things like guides and why they exist for us we as human beings see and relate to objects or communication is driven in objects or labels
But in reality every label means something different to each person on experience or emotional sense
When you move to the sixth dimensional thinking you see past the labels, fat, dirty, bad good, who's right ect and see that's all self created, and you start seeing things like a child and running on what you feels right for you at the time than past experience
Then in the space of unconditional love you see the awesomeness in everything a love of everything the labels vanish and every experience is just like your first experience and gives you a passion for this place, life, others, their feelings, and emotions when I slip in this state its awesome my head mind goes quite, and the shear beauty in everything you see, its better than orgasm
In this place there is nothing to be protected from, fears seem to disappear, open, honest and the honesty is not hurtful but said in love with the understanding where they are is awesome but just letting you know how I feel about the situation
The oneness is one of the hardest things for me to explain its like you are a part of every one they are all your friend, would be closest in human words. its live falling made in love with everyone the world past and present you know you are not alone the searching for things to make yourself whole have gone nothing needs fixing,
But in saying that I have just started for their say to me there are 12
But again I like the higher dimensional thinking's where you just experience without having to file, label, categorize, and just be than think I am now working in the 6 dimension it's like who cares
I asked the what the meaning to my life here they said "to be”
And to be in the human experience is "to experience”
Love being human and just be experience the 12 wonders of being here love every one of them as you slip inand outof theawesome ways to be here

RE: 13 dimensions of Life

This is one of the best threads I've read for a while, so thank you, Parsifal for engaging us in a little healthy debate. I only hope you've been able to pull some gems from the discussion here and are a little closer to coming to your conclusion;)?

Mr Firstlight and Venetian- how I laughed:DBrilliant stuff. It's not really my place to say or judge, but from an objective onlooker, I feel that you were both coming from the same place afterall. IMO Brian wouldn't have come to the 'conclusions' he has, were it not for doing what Venetian might describe as the 'groundwork' or 'planning'. It just comes across in the way he is able to express his POV and the insightful analogies he gives.

ORIGINAL: Venetian
It is true in the highest sense that we are already God. But we are not expressing Perfection as Jesus or Gautama did. Down here, that's fact. So I do believe there's a need to be practical and to use methods.

My personal experienceof this is thatwe start at the level of questioning, thinking,reasoning etc and this takes us to the doors of experience, but until we have embraced that truth on a deeper levelwe don't posess the key to pass through the doors of experience. However, I have found that after we have passed through the said door, we arrive at another and the whole process starts again for something else!! I think this is what Brian has said so much more succinctly than I here:

All spiritual work is simply the struggle to surrender to what already just is.

ORIGINAL: Venetian
It is true in the highest sense that we are already God. But we are not expressing Perfection as Jesus or Gautama did. Down here, that's fact. So I do believe there's a need to be practical and to use methods.

Isn't that the real lesson? I mean coming to the realisation that all we are doing is dwelling in space, in a realmless realm where there is no time, no boundaries and no limits....but at the same time acknowleging our physical existance in the material world? I think so. There are people who whilst may have true spiritual insight and a deep understanding of the eternal aren't actually living grounded in the real world.

Agh, going round in circles here, and I don't think I've added much to the discussion, but never mind. Nice to read everyones' viewpoints anyhow:D

RE: 13 dimensions of Life

ORIGINAL: Mr_Firstlight

The fuzzy way of tackling a high mountain would be to say "There are no stages, there's no need to plan, and we have already succeeded, so let's just start climbing." Now that's a recipe for disaster. What you actually do is scan out the objective terrain, plan where your base camp and higher camps will be, and decide how many days it will take, and find out how thin the air is at the top, etc, etc.

Same with the spiritual Path IMHO: you get in all the information you can and use it wisely, and you plan, rather than just in a fuzzy way saying "There is no need for that, all is One, you are there now, just be it." In practice I find that detailed knowledge helps toward real spiritual success.

Ah yes, Venetian, :DYou are correct.

But the tools are there precisely to inform us...there is no mountain.

We create the mountains in our mind..and again..there is no mind..no mountain. Why struggle?

Because you simply can't wake up one morning and decide that you are going to be a saint, and do it. Or, to move from being a seemingly ordinary person to being an extraordinary one does take time. I suppose one word we might indeed use is "effort" - though if it's so important to us the effort may not be great.

But I never met anyone yet inlife who made such a move without effort. It can hurt - you leave people behind and you are tempted not to even bother.

But we do bother all the same. 🙂

Venetian

RE: 13 dimensions of Life

Mr Firstlight

I see - my Soul try to strike through Ego-walls and call my Evolucionally Consciouness which was attract-captured by Ego to left them, and unite again with Original Esence of Soul.

Azalia

thank's on yours consideration and kindness and I am sorry becouse my poorly knowledge of English language subtend me to express all my thoughts and impede me to take part on this forum atone more creativity way, but I am willing to share my good will and Love with all of you.

We are all Passengerswho walkalong a Way of Truthand always when we outreach hands to each other, than Truth start to walk toward us.

Parsifal

PS- [link= http://www.2012.com.au/dimensions.html ]http://www.2012.com.au/dimensions.html[/link]

RE: 13 dimensions of Life

Because you simply can't wake up one morning and decide that you are going to be a saint, and do it.

Who says you can't?...and who's saying it?

Whether wecan or cannot...we are spiritual beings anyway.

Azalia

Isn't that the real lesson? I mean coming to the realisation that all we are doing is dwelling in space, in a realmless realm where there is no time, no boundaries and no limits....but at the same time acknowleging our physical existence in the material world? I think so.

It probably is Azalia...but we give ourselves a hard time anyway. Sooner or later we give up..give in..surrender...and there's no time like now in which to do..the present. Why wait until morning Venetian?;)

Anyway...it doesn't matter..it's all made up stuff and we fill ourselves up with it..chew it..spit it out then take another mouthful of the rubbish. Toffee anyone?

As Confuscious once said, "Words are weariness."

Am gonna shut up now! Cough..
😀
Cheers