So .... to wrap this up, in a nutshell the friend who I felt dominated me and got over-aggressive was sent my way so that I learnt to stand up for myself ??

Here is a quote which I think best summarises the situation...

"Life will give you whatever experience is most helpful for the evolution of your consciousness. How do you know this is the experience you need? Because this is the experience you are having at the moment" (Eckhart Tolle)

So .... to wrap this up, in a nutshell the friend who I felt dominated me and got over-aggressive was sent my way so that I learnt to stand up for myself ??

By whom?

There are assumptions all through this thread that lessons are set for us. Where is your evidence?

I wonder what passive means ?? hahaha

I let my ex partner push me about a few times, a few work bosses shout in my face and have a go at me constantly. I had a friend tell me off once about how I was living my life and the choices I wanted to make even when it was something simple like buying a bottle of shampoo. She even said to me at the time - 'Why are you being so passive?'. I found it a little interferring and it makes me want to keep people at a distance sometimes.

My parents have physically and verbally attacked me occassionally.
I've never really said anything.

Lately I have started having a go at people and telling them off about how they are which they're not quite enjoying very much.
It's probably not ideal but they need to hear it.

I'm not moaning and complaining though as I've seen so many other people go through these sorts of things.

Now I'm recollecting these memories I'm thinking damn uhhhhh doormat ??????

From a shamanic point of view, any and all of these incidents will cause soul loss.
And no. They don't need to hear it. Two wrongs and all that. It doesn't solve anything.

By whom?

There are assumptions all through this thread that lessons are set for us. Where is your evidence?

What would satisfy you? A letter from God!?

Are they assumptions or beliefs? Where is your evidence on soul loss? Hazy area right?

Who has access to the bigger picture? Certain situations feel 'meant', e.g. especially when certain themes/patterns get repeated. The fact that these get resolved when we get the message/learn from them should speak volumes.

I just remember another thing that happened to me a while back. I was going through a tough time where I was feeling quite low. I was working in a job with a very nasty colleague and he used to shout at me constantly and sometimes throw insults.
I don't like to admit it but I found the experience very frightening and it really scared me on the inside. He had awful energy & when he came near me I felt absolute fear.
He was nice with another female colleague because he fancied her but with me and others he was very nasty.
Part of me wishes I laid right into him but it wouldn't have solved anything. I think standing there solid and being totally unaffected by him would have been brilliant. I don't think it showed that I was scared though ... at least I hope it didn't.

Thanks everyone for your replies. This has really helped me because sometimes it's nice to share and hear other people's views.

Yes we have been there before and I see you are not interested in examining/discussing your beliefs, i.e. that you are closed off to this. Your choice....indeed what can be said!?

Amy can you please say what happens when a person is closed off and not interested in examining/discussing their beliefs?

Whilst I appreciate that you are replying to Poppy-summer, this is a forum (not a private conversation) and it is the nature of a forum that we can all freely interact and offer feedback.

Having had direct interaction with New Agers now for a very long time, I find your view of them woefully inaccurate and sweeping in its generalisations, so I do feel the need to correct this false appraisal for the benefit of others who read this thread. I trust you will now understand my motive. Thank you.

You find my view woefully inaccurate and sweepin (exactly what you said last time we went through in "perils of healing" thread too)
and I understand you are trying to help and benefit the readers of this post....which you were trying to do in that thread too. You were trying to defend who you thought were going to be offended by my post and the great injustice of my words, my false appraisal...You are doing exactly the same here.

in one breath you say people are free to interact and express their views here....if so people, or anyone has anything to say about what I post, they can post. right? But luckily it's always Amy...correcting for benefit of others....putting the wrongs to right....what she thinks needs correcting.

If I was to use your own logic (not that I need to or will simply because it is not my logic), I could say that Amy, it is a sweeping and woefully inaccurate appraisal of my post. Bits upset you and the rest of the post is ignored. There is an essence of everything, that is way more important than bits. There is an essence in your post in op's post, in each post here....sometimes getting caught up in words, we miss the essence altogether.

I am out today, will be back tomorrow
I see you.
Love

Amy can you please say what happens when a person is closed off and not interested in examining/discussing their beliefs?

Whilst I appreciate that you are replying to Poppy-summer, this is a forum (not a private conversation) and it is the nature of a forum that we can all freely interact and offer feedback.

Having had direct interaction with New Agers now for a very long time, I find your view of them woefully inaccurate and sweeping in its generalisations, so I do feel the need to correct this false appraisal for the benefit of others who read this thread. I trust you will now understand my motive. Thank you.

You find my view woefully inaccurate and sweepin (exactly what you said last time we went through in "perils of healing" thread too)
and I understand you are trying to help and benefit the readers of this post....which you were trying to do in that thread too. You were trying to defend who you thought were going to be offended by my post and the great injustice of my words, my false appraisal...You are doing exactly the same here.

in one breath you say people are free to interact and express their views here....if so people, or anyone has anything to say about what I post, they can post. right? But luckily it's always Amy...correcting for benefit of others....putting the wrongs to right....what she thinks needs correcting.

If I was to use your own logic (not that I need to or will simply because it is not my logic), I could say that Amy, it is a sweeping and woefully inaccurate appraisal of my post. Bits upset you and the rest of the post is ignored. There is an essence of everything, that is way more important than bits. There is an essence in your post in op's post, in each post here....sometimes getting caught up in words, we miss the essence altogether.

I am out today, will be back tomorrow
I see you.
Love

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Re. what I said about being closed off and not interested in examining/discussing beliefs - it was with regard to you announcing
My response is directly to poppy summers and her alone. I am not addressing anyone else. (Page 1 #14)

It is YOURSELF who dislikes free interaction since it was very noticeable (in a previous thread) how you resented my input/posts, preferring to be the sole member conversing with the person starting a thread. I was truly surprised by that! You are now implying I am gagging people? Huh? How so? Can you supply any evidence whatsoever in this peculiar assertion? The reverse is true! Totally baffling and highly illogical.

You clearly dislike that I correct you on your woefully skewed judgement on New Agers (of which I have ample real, interactive experience with so your ignorance is easily seen).

It is the nature of replies that not everything in a post gets addressed, i.e. members pick out the areas that they wish to offer feedback on. I could say the same to yourself since you have done the same so please observe how you are here because what you are accusing me of is exactly what you are doing yourself!

You have offered your way of solving the issue here (to Poppy-summer) which I have not directly criticised. However, I did take you up on you saying that you don't recognise that awareness is ALSO used in other routes/techniques, i.e. not exclusively in your solution.

Sorry, I experienced difficulties with editing the boxes with replying to jnani's post. Here it is...

Re. what I said about being closed off and not interested in examining/discussing beliefs - it was with regard to you announcing
My response is directly to poppy summers and her alone. I am not addressing anyone else. (Page 1 #14)

It is YOURSELF who dislikes free interaction since it was very noticeable (in a previous thread) how you resented my input/posts, preferring to be the sole member conversing with the person starting a thread. I was truly surprised by that! You are now implying I am gagging people? Huh? How so? Can you supply any evidence whatsoever in this peculiar assertion? The reverse is true! Totally baffling and highly illogical.

You clearly dislike that I correct you on your woefully skewed judgement on New Agers (of which I have ample real, interactive experience with so your ignorance is easily seen).

It is the nature of replies that not everything in a post gets addressed, i.e. members pick out the areas that they wish to offer feedback on. I could say the same to yourself since you have done the same so please observe how you are here because what you are accusing me of is exactly what you are doing yourself!

You have offered your way of solving the issue here (to Poppy-summer) which I have not directly criticised. However, I did take you up on you saying that you don't recognise that awareness is ALSO used in other routes/techniques, i.e. not exclusively in your solution.

I'm also starting to understand about not having people rope me into things.
I'm a person who likes to do what I want and when I want.
When I was younger I was very eager to please and diverting my energy here, there and everywhere.
It's funny seeing how different everything is when you stop doing this.
I might be slightly wrong in what I'm saying here but to me it makes sense.

Hahahaha I've come in as a healing energy.
I value both your opinions equally with regards to my initial post in this thread and I thank you for taking the time to offer your views.
xx

Hahahaha I've come in as a healing energy.
I value both your opinions equally with regards to my initial post in this thread and I thank you for taking the time to offer your views.
xx

Thank you.

It is unfortunate that jnani and I are seen to be continuing our same arguments that have not been reconciled from a previous thread. I find it peculiar that she does not recognise, in herself, what she is (peculiarly) accusing myself of. That does require humility and honesty. I have no problem in admitting where I may be at fault since I am more interested in truth than propagating my own belief. It will be interesting to see if she addresses the points I have raised in my last post to her (above).

I welcome reaching a better understanding with her via PM if she is amenable to this.

Haha intellectual differences. That's okay though 🙂

Haha intellectual differences. That's okay though 🙂

Yes it would be OK if it stayed on a civil level. Jnani's last post here clearly shows how much she dislikes me - witness the sarcastic tone of her post (page 2 # 36)....and then ends the post with 'Love' (??)

I hope to be able to resolve our differences but I am due for an operation this week and am mindful to avoid any stress, so I may delay responding until much later. If jnani likes the idea of PMing me to reach a better understanding of each other, then could she please wait until next Friday 22nd? Thank you.

Hahaha
Oh sorry to hear about that. Good luck with it all.
xx

Yes it would be OK if it stayed on a civil level. Jnani's last post here clearly shows how much she dislikes me - witness the sarcastic tone of her post (page 2 # 36)....and then ends the post with 'Love' (??)

I hope to be able to resolve our differences but I am due for an operation this week and am mindful to avoid any stress, so I may delay responding until much later. If jnani likes the idea of PMing me to reach a better understanding of each other, then could she please wait until next Friday 22nd? Thank you.

Quite a lot of disagreement. I'm not detecting dislike. After all, you and I disagree sometimes and I certainly don't dislike you.

Quite a lot of disagreement. I'm not detecting dislike. After all, you and I disagree sometimes and I certainly don't dislike you.

Yes I know - I feel we have some respect for each other Crowan (and share the same politics standpoint).

You are not sarcastic to me (in mocking/taunting vein) as jnani was in her last post (and has been before towards me). Read it and you will see what I mean (page 2 # 36). Ugh! To try and demean someone in an attempt to take the high ground is so transparent and ineffective.

Fair enough. But, since I've discovered that jnani's posts can irritate me for a few moments before I recollect myself and remember that my reactions are my responsibility, I think it might be easier not to take them personally.

Fair enough. But, since I've discovered that jnani's posts can irritate me for a few moments before I recollect myself and remember that my reactions are my responsibility, I think it might be easier not to take them personally.

I agree that we choose our reactions (i.e. not to become inflammed) which does not erase the reality that her remarks can be and have been personal attacks on occasions! See the difference?

Anyway, I have made a decision not to read her posts until after my operation (next week)....or when I have recovered. Bear in mind that we cannot control how our subconscious is affected, so I don't have to psyche myself up to read them at this stage when I can avoid them altogether!

I'm glad you don't dislike me Crowan. We can both be outspoken/direct but it's great that we have reconciled our past differences and still be fine with each other even though we may, on occasion, disagree.

All the best for your operation. I'll be thinking of you.

These posts are really good for me right now.
It caught my attention when you mentioned about not being able to control how the subconscious reacts - can you explain what this means.
Thanx 🙂

These posts are really good for me right now.
It caught my attention when you mentioned about not being able to control how the subconscious reacts - can you explain what this means.
Thanx 🙂

We can influence/control what reactions we are conscious of but not of our subconscious. We are not fully aware of the subconscious so what we 'take in'/absorb in the day is much greater than what we are consciously aware of. The subconscious is the deepest part of ourselves that 'plays out' in dreams. Hence, on hearing something like the latest terrorist news, we may not realise how much we have been subjected to until the horrific images leak out in a nightmare.

I am very careful with what I subject myself to e.g. I tend to tune out when there are war details on the news because I don't want to pollute myself with the horrors of our inhumanity. It's enough to get the gist without being fully subjected to this horrible vibe. I realise that this means I don't have a good knowledge of the complexities of war but I don't care....it's legalised murder anyway.

Are you familiar with the law of attraction/LOA? That what we focus on will grow? That forms part of my mindset and positive thinking. For example, when we walk down a street, we can choose to either focus on the litter on the pavements or what is growing in the front gardens. What we take in is very important.

That's quite interesting I didn't realise that.
I can't watch or look at certain things because it upsets me or makes me cry.
Yes I'm familiar with law of attraction. That's why I'm careful these days who I associate with, where I go and what I do. Sometimes I've learnt the hard way :-/
I also know when my attention is being diverted or made aware of something for a reason.

Yes it would be OK if it stayed on a civil level. Jnani's last post here clearly shows how much she dislikes me - witness the sarcastic tone of her post (page 2 # 36)....and then ends the post with 'Love' (??)

I hope to be able to resolve our differences but I am due for an operation this week and am mindful to avoid any stress, so I may delay responding until much later. If jnani likes the idea of PMing me to reach a better understanding of each other, then could she please wait until next Friday 22nd? Thank you.

You are not going to believe it but I don't have any differences with you. Your views don't upset me or cause me to stress.
I am cautious to not trigger any stress in you. I see you. I really rather hold you in love. I see there is a vulnerability behind all the strength. Which is what we all are, if we are honest, vulnerable, looking for love and friendship.
I will not be PMIng but if there is an opportunity I may post here. I am going away around that time. As far as I am concerned There is no axe to grind, no points to make, nothing to prove. A win or lose in an argument is not worth that much to me. It is a difference of understanding. That is all. One day, you might agree with me, if not that's fine too. It does not matter one way or the other does it?
If I sign off with 'love' , rather than jeering at it, it is best to accept it. That is common sense. I don't put X X kisses and love unless ther is a movement of the same in that moment. Whether you decide to receive it or not, love is flowing to you.
Take it easy my love, may the operation bring health

Love

We can influence/control what reactions we are conscious of but not of our subconscious. We are not fully aware of the subconscious so what we 'take in'/absorb in the day is much greater than what we are consciously aware of. The subconscious is the deepest part of ourselves that 'plays out' in dreams. Hence, on hearing something like the latest terrorist news, we may not realise how much we have been subjected to until the horrific images leak out in a nightmare.

I am very careful with what I subject myself to e.g. I tend to tune out when there are war details on the news because I don't want to pollute myself with the horrors of our inhumanity. It's enough to get the gist without being fully subjected to this horrible vibe. I realise that this means I don't have a good knowledge of the complexities of war but I don't care....it's legalised murder anyway.

Are you familiar with the law of attraction/LOA? That what we focus on will grow? That forms part of my mindset and positive thinking. For example, when we walk down a street, we can choose to either focus on the litter on the pavements or what is growing in the front gardens. What we take in is very important.

Not quite sure where you got that concept from Amy but it is completely different to my own understanding, to my understanding the only aspect of consciousness that our everyday thinking aspect of consciousness has no control over is our higher self aspect, that is because our higher self aspect is complete within itself, all our other aspects of consciousness are created by our higher self so that we can function here.

As for our other aspects of consciousness, they are subject to our every day thinking aspect of consciousness and when we know how (this is self mastery), they can be changed at will, but it goes further than that for once we learn to change our own aspects of consciousness then the next step is to realise that we are also capable of changing other peoples aspects of consciousness for them as long as they are open to change, which is how we do conscious reprogramming within consciousness to transform peoples underlying thought patterns and beliefs. 🙂

You are not going to believe it but I don't have any differences with you. Your views don't upset me or cause me to stress.
I am cautious to not trigger any stress in you. I see you. I really rather hold you in love. I see there is a vulnerability behind all the strength. Which is what we all are, if we are honest, vulnerable, looking for love and friendship.
I will not be PMIng but if there is an opportunity I may post here. I am going away around that time. As far as I am concerned There is no axe to grind, no points to make, nothing to prove. A win or lose in an argument is not worth that much to me. It is a difference of understanding. That is all. One day, you might agree with me, if not that's fine too. It does not matter one way or the other does it?
If I sign off with 'love' , rather than jeering at it, it is best to accept it. That is common sense. I don't put X X kisses and love unless ther is a movement of the same in that moment. Whether you decide to receive it or not, love is flowing to you.
Take it easy my love, may the operation bring health

Love

I did say I wouldn't reply until after my operation but I glanced at your post and, as it did not appear as hostile as your previous reply to me so I read it! (I have had to safeguard my current health since I am in a weakened condition).

The reason I made the suggestion that we resolve things in a PM is that we are repeating our differences (from a previous thread), notably where you seem to resent me giving my thoughts on a reply you make to someone else, e.g.

My response is directly to poppy summers and her alone. I am not addressing anyone else

You have not taken on board that we are allowed to interact freely with all posts here - it is a forum and not a private conversation you had that I intervened on. So I hope we do not have to have this conversation again and that you accept this. Yes? You say you 'see me' then I hope the proof is that you understand this much.

I am glad that this post of yours is much more pleasant and thank you for your good wishes. I want you to know that I have nothing against you but am frequently flabberghasted by the often inflammatory/volatile nature of your posts to me so I don't believe you when you say that my views don't upset you or cause you stress. The energy of such posts tend to feel like they are designed to knock me down, bully me into submission. If you 'see me' at all then you will know that I don't have a victim's mentality.

Not quite sure where you got that concept from Amy but it is completely different to my own understanding, to my understanding the only aspect of consciousness that our everyday thinking aspect of consciousness has no control over is our higher self aspect, that is because our higher self aspect is complete within itself, all our other aspects of consciousness are created by our higher self so that we can function here.

As for our other aspects of consciousness, they are subject to our every day thinking aspect of consciousness and when we know how (this is self mastery), they can be changed at will, but it goes further than that for once we learn to change our own aspects of consciousness then the next step is to realise that we are also capable of changing other peoples aspects of consciousness for them as long as they are open to change, which is how we do conscious reprogramming within consciousness to transform peoples underlying thought patterns and beliefs. 🙂

Once the subconscious becomes conscious then, yes, of course, we can then influence what arises. I omitted to say that.

The subconscious, by its nature, is not amenable to our full awareness as it exists so I am at a loss to make sense of what you claim.

Regarding the higher self. I believe it to be one and the same as our intuition. Indeed this is what I access and have found it to be the wisest, deepest part of me providing the correct answers. I therefore have no need for a guide. I conducted a 'survey' on 3 spiritual forums asking if the higher self and the intuition was one and the same...the replies were all affirmative. Our intuition springs from the subconscious - this much is established.

Once the subconscious becomes conscious then, yes, of course, we can then influence what arises. I omitted to say that.

The subconscious, by its nature, is not amenable to our full awareness as it exists so I am at a loss to make sense of what you claim.

Regarding the higher self. I believe it to be one and the same as our intuition. Indeed this is what I access and have found it to be the wisest, deepest part of me providing the correct answers. I therefore have no need for a guide. I conducted a 'survey' on 3 spiritual forums asking if the higher self and the intuition was one and the same...the replies were all affirmative. Our intuition springs from the subconscious - this much is established.

Sort off, our intuition can come from various aspects of our conciousness, obviously if intuition arises from our memory aspect of consciousness which is referred to as our subconsciousness, then it can only spool back what we have put into it, as long as it is in alignment with the core beliefs we have already inserted into our core way of being aspect of consciousness. 🙂

Do not forget that consciousness is creative in nature, if we think something is going to be, then that thought sets about creating the experience for us. 😉

I did say I wouldn't reply until after my operation but I glanced at your post and, as it did not appear as hostile as your previous reply to me so I read it! (I have had to safeguard my current health since I am in a weakened condition).

The reason I made the suggestion that we resolve things in a PM is that we are repeating our differences (from a previous thread), notably where you seem to resent me giving my thoughts on a reply you make to someone else, e.g.

My response is directly to poppy summers and her alone. I am not addressing anyone else

You have not taken on board that we are allowed to interact freely with all posts here - it is a forum and not a private conversation you had that I intervened on. So I hope we do not have to have this conversation again and that you accept this. Yes? You say you 'see me' then I hope the proof is that you understand this much.

am frequently flabberghasted by the often inflammatory/volatile nature of your posts to me which tend to feel like they are designed to knock me down, bully me into submission. If you 'see me' at all then you will know that I don't have a victim's mentality.

Pause here and Ponder this for a second...You say, "tend to feel like your posts are designed to knock you down, bully you into submission"

One's inner feelings and perceptions .....that inner feeling sums up all your interactions with me. Your inner response is none of my business or indeed anyone else's.

And that is that, you may respond ( each is free to do what they feel is right) on every thing I post in future....please don't take it personally if I don't engage

Wish you well and take it easy
Love

Sort off, our intuition can come from various aspects of our conciousness, obviously if intuition arises from our memory aspect of consciousness which is referred to as our subconsciousness, then it can only spool back what we have put into it, as long as it is in alignment with the core beliefs we have already inserted into our core way of being aspect of consciousness. 🙂

Do not forget that consciousness is creative in nature, if we think something is going to be, then that thought sets about creating the experience for us. 😉

Yes I am familiar with this. Thought CAN set about creating the experience....manifestation yes?

I am using it to visualise myself with a fully healed nose that I can breathe out of (having a nasal polyp removed, yet again!)

am frequently flabberghasted by the often inflammatory/volatile nature of your posts to me which tend to feel like they are designed to knock me down, bully me into submission. If you 'see me' at all then you will know that I don't have a victim's mentality.

Pause here and Ponder this for a second...You say, "tend to feel like your posts are designed to knock you down, bully you into submission"

One's inner feelings and perceptions .....that inner feeling sums up all your interactions with me. Your inner response is none of my business or indeed anyone else's.

And that is that, you may respond ( each is free to do what they feel is right) on every thing I post in future....please don't take it personally if I don't engage

Wish you well and take it easy
Love

There is a difference between perceived intention and one's response to that. Perhaps you are attempting to disown the tone of that particular post of yours (on page 2 # 36). I am prepared to let it go now and start afresh with you.