Cancer

I've been taking B-17, laetrile, etc off and on for years since I was diagnosed with cancer in 2005. I get it out of Bermuda since the FDA and US government decided it was hazardous for us to take and could cause 'tummy aches'.I take so many supplements, not sure which one worked, if not all. In any event, feeling great and not complaining 🙂

kcat

Not that I'm a big fan of Cancer Research UK, but the following information should be noted I think...

[url]Can graviola cure cancer? : Cancer Research UK : CancerHelp UK[/url]

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Not that I'm a big fan of Cancer Research UK, but the following information should be noted I think...

[url]Can graviola cure cancer? : Cancer Research UK : CancerHelp UK[/url]

All Love and Reiki Hugs

Hi
you say you are not a big fan of Cancer research, neither am I, for many years I have studied into the cure of Cancer, which makes me no expert so please question and research what ever I say before you try anything I mention.

Graviola always comes to my mind, when I think of cancer. According to the papers I have read, it was suppressed by the people who were experimenting with it, because they couldn't make any money out of it,it is supposed to be 10,000 times stronger than chemotherapy why don't they at least and let people know about it, it took a whistle blower to let us know about it!

I do not like people to suffer so other people can make money!.

There is so much around, it makes you think, have you seen the documentary's "B17 world without cancer" or " the hidden cures is of cancer" another is Forks over Knifes" but I believe the first two to be the most in the enlightening.

Some of the DVDs I mention I believe were available on eBay very cheap, if anyone can not find them, I would be gladly then a copy FOC when I can eventually inbox people, I have passed out very many, to make people aware of what is happening around us!

I don't think Cancer research likes me very much, but I don't think I'd make much of a dent in their income either.

Peace and light
Peter
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In fairness, I don't think you could say that Cancer Research has suppressed information about Graviola, as it's easily found on their website under their Cancer questions and answers section.

Yes, drugs companies do have a reputation for suppressing things that they can't patent to make money out of, though "suppressing" is perhaps too harsh a word, they're more subtle than that. Instead, they don't research it, and because it's not researched (which would cost a fortune to be done independantly), it cannot be approved for public prescription... such are the laws.

Also, in fairness to Cancer Research, if you read what they say:

In laboratory studies, graviola extracts can kill some types of liver and breast cancer cells that are resistant to particular chemotherapy drugs. But there haven’t been any large scale studies in humans. So we don't know yet whether it can work as a cancer treatment or not. Overall, there is no evidence to show that graviola works as a cure for cancer. Many sites on the internet advertise and promote graviola capsules as a cancer cure, but none of them are supported by any reputable scientific cancer organisations.
We know very little about how graviola affects the body. But we do know that it may cause nerve changes, causing symptoms similar to Parkinson's disease. So it may have harmful side effects for some people. Always talk to your doctor before taking any kind of complementary or alternative therapy.

They're not saying you shouldn't take it. They're being (as far as I can tell) fairly open about it and bringing awareness to the fact it does have a lack of research, and may have possible side effects from what little they do know, but some studies have shown it can kill some types of liver and breast cancer cells.

What it really needs is more research, and my issue with CRUK is the amount of money they get in funding and how little seems to come out of all that as a result. No doubt their research is beneficial to an extent, but it does seem that they get more funding than many other cancer charities, and have done for a very long time, but still no conclusive results overall about cancer. If it were any other government based project, then after a couple of years without meeting the intended objective, it would have got canned. Without getting too political.... where does all the money go? 😎

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In fairness, I don't think you could say that Cancer Research has suppressed information about Graviola, as it's easily found on their website under their Cancer questions and answers section.

Yes, drugs companies do have a reputation for suppressing things that they can't patent to make money out of, though "suppressing" is perhaps too harsh a word, they're more subtle than that. Instead, they don't research it, and because it's not researched (which would cost a fortune to be done independantly), it cannot be approved for public prescription... such are the laws.

Also, in fairness to Cancer Research, if you read what they say:

They're not saying you shouldn't take it. They're being (as far as I can tell) fairly open about it and bringing awareness to the fact it does have a lack of research, and may have possible side effects from what little they do know, but some studies have shown it can kill some types of liver and breast cancer cells.

What it really needs is more research, and my issue with CRUK is the amount of money they get in funding and how little seems to come out of all that as a result. No doubt their research is beneficial to an extent, but it does seem that they get more funding than many other cancer charities, and have done for a very long time, but still no conclusive results overall about cancer. If it were any other government based project, then after a couple of years without meeting the intended objective, it would have got canned. Without getting too political.... where does all the money go? 😎

All Love and Reiki Hugs

Hi
I don't want to get into an argument about the for and against

I think it has been researched from what I can gather, when I was first informed about it from a London doctor years ago.

Many millions were spent on research, and from what I can gather and it was shelved because no money could be made from it.

I am only quoting what I have researched, I am open to be proved wrong, from what I can gather one of the scientist working on it became a whistle blower and let the public know of Graviola, because it was shelved by the other scientist or people in control.

I still believe that people must suffer so others can make money, try watching "The hidden cures of cancer one person who treated someone else and cured them from what I can gather was told not to use the methods he was using, but it works he said, I don't care said the person in authority who told him not to use it, just don't use it!.

God pays debts without money, as they reap so they must sow,their deeds await them.

Peace and light
Peter

Not that I'm a big fan of Cancer Research UK, but the following information should be noted I think...

[url]Can graviola cure cancer? : Cancer Research UK : CancerHelp UK[/url]

All Love and Reiki Hugs

Natural does NOT mean safe.

It's amazing that all products that can't be patented need further research, but when it comes to things like chemo...step right up !!!! We got you covered....you sure do....:(

Natural does NOT mean safe.

....including chemo.....?????

Natural does NOT mean safe.

there is always going to be a for and a against!
I agree with you natural does not mean safe, but I do believe that much is safer before man interferes with it and tries change it and to make money out of it, I believe the Creator of everything put on the Earth all we needed to cure ourselves, we just need to find it, but now when research is done i believe they must make money out of it or it is not released.

Try watching the hidden cures of cancer, I think it has been taken off the shelves at eBay, probably by Cancer research as they have a lot of power to protect their income.

In the old days if you found herbs that he would heal people and treated them with them, you risked being burned at the stake as a witch, because of your knowledge.
we have progressed, since then,again but many still like to protect there big incomes, and stop any one from interfering with the flow of money, as they believe nothing else comes after the earthly level.

Peace and light
Peter

It's amazing that all products that can't be patented need further research, but when it comes to things like chemo...step right up !!!! We got you covered....you sure do....:(

I agree with you, have you watched the DVD the hidden Cures of cancer, it is quite an eye-opener as to what happens behind our backs, it seems difficult to get hold of now, I wonder why?, at some stage I shall do a fewer copies and release them to people who inbox me for them.
Free of charge, I hate people making money out of other people's suffering.
Perhaps Cancer research will try to stop me, as they do with people who can heal with alternative medicines.

Peace and light
Peter

....including chemo.....?????

No chemo has risks - which is why its use is so carefully researched. Millions of people have found the benefits of chemo outweighed the risks for them.

Millions of people across the world are alive because they had chemo

Natural does NOT mean safe.

You say that, but show even one pharmaceutical medicine that doesn't come with a list of potential side effects as long as your arm.

No chemo has risks - which is why its use is so carefully researched. Millions of people have found the benefits of chemo outweighed the risks for them.

Millions of people across the world are alive because they had chemo

And millions of people across the world are dead despite having chemo - or even because of having chemo.

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You say that, but show even one pharmaceutical medicine that doesn't come with a list of potential side effects as long as your arm.

Mountaineer if you read my signature I am a pharmacist as well as a complementary practitioner. I always tell people there is no such things as an effective drug which does NOT have unwanted effects. The same is true of herbal remedies. Indeed many modern drugs were derived from plants. Digoxin, Atropine, Curare. Or from moulds like Penicillin.

The decision to use ANY chemical treatment - drug or herbal - must ALWAYS be made after balancing the benefits against the risk. If you have a headache you take Paracteamol. Effective but few side effects. You don't take Morphine which is even more effective - but comes with a much longer list of potential problems. But if you have severe pain then the risks of Moprhine are worth the benefits,

I am a COMPLEMENTARY practitioner. I see holistic and conventional are being used side. On this forum I argue the merits of modern medicine as well as admitting its limitations On Pharmacy forums I fly the flag for complementary treatments - and have on one occasion been accused of being a quack.

There are times when I feel feel schizophrenic I admit but please don'y try to tell me about the risks of drugs. i know more about them than you ever will. t has been my job for over 30 years.

I will now get off my soapbox:)

I believe the Creator of everything put on the Earth all we needed to cure ourselves, we just need to find it,

So, did this 'Creator' also create the things for which we need cures? Why?

And saying we just need to find the thing that will cure us, implies it has been hidden - did this 'Creator' hide it? Why? Is it playing a game with us? Why?

Mountaineer if you read my signature I am a pharmacist as well as a complementary practitioner. I always tell people there is no such things as an effective drug which does NOT have unwanted effects. The same is true of herbal remedies. Indeed many modern drugs were derived from plants. Digoxin, Atropine, Curare. Or from moulds like Penicillin.

The decision to use ANY chemical treatment - drug or herbal - must ALWAYS be made after balancing the benefits against the risk. If you have a headache you take Paracteamol. Effective but few side effects. You don't take Morphine which is even more effective - but comes with a much longer list of potential problems. But if you have severe pain then the risks of Moprhine are worth the benefits,

I am a COMPLEMENTARY practitioner. I see holistic and conventional are being used side. On this forum I argue the merits of modern medicine as well as admitting its limitations On Pharmacy forums I fly the flag for complementary treatments - and have on one occasion been accused of being a quack.

There are times when I feel feel schizophrenic I admit but please don'y try to tell me about the risks of drugs. i know more about them than you ever will. t has been my job for over 30 years.

I will now get off my soapbox:)

I saw your signature Sally. I wasn't having a dig at you, but at a system of medicine that thinks it is superior and tries to do down everything that doesn't fall under its control.

As you say a quarter of all pharmaceutical drugs are plant-derived. Experimentation with plants to try to establish other plant-derived pharmaceutical drugs is permanently ongoing. I maintain it is double standards of the pharmaceutical industry to do so on the one hand and then attack natural treatments on the other.

Plant/natural remedies are on the whole considerably safer than pharmaceutical drugs. What is the figure for people hospitalized and killed as a result of side effects for pharmaceutical drugs? Remind me.
You sometimes hear of a toxic dose of Chinese herbs, other than that plant/natural medicines, if taken according to the recommended dosage, have an excellent safety record.

So, did this 'Creator' also create the things for which we need cures? Why?

And saying we just need to find the thing that will cure us, implies it has been hidden - did this 'Creator' hide it? Why? Is it playing a game with us? Why?

Not the sort of discussion I want to get into, or try to explain a non-believer.
but if we open ourselves to the guidance around us, we would be shown the necessary plants we would need, obviously you do not believe in the elementals!

Peace and light
Peter

Not the sort of discussion I want to get into, or try to explain a non-believer.
but if we open ourselves to the guidance around us, we would be shown the necessary plants we would need, obviously you do not believe in the elementals!

That's a shame you don't want to discuss that. In such cases, it just comes across as someone telling us that God exists and we have to believe it, which in most people's book is called preaching, and is exactly what many churches do.

If you come out with statements about how it IS and include God or a Creator in that, then it's only fair that people will want to discuss and understand why you believe that, otherwise it just becomes a one sided conversation.

And just because someone doesn't believe in God or a Creator doesn't mean that they have no understanding of 'elementals' of nature/life.

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That's a shame you don't want to discuss that. In such cases, it just comes across as someone telling us that God exists and we have to believe it, which in most people's book is called preaching, and is exactly what many churches do.

If you come out with statements about how it IS and include God or a Creator in that, then it's only fair that people will want to discuss and understand why you believe that, otherwise it just becomes a one sided conversation.

And just because someone doesn't believe in God or a Creator doesn't mean that they have no understanding of 'elementals' of nature/life.

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sorry I did not mean to be so abrupt , so many people ask me to prove that there is a God, but if people don't believe in God they cannot I personally believe, accept the elemental's
as they are servants of the Creator, and how can you have a servant with out someone to serve.

I am constantly asked for proof which I believe comes from within / not with out, if an angel were to appear now, after it had gone, people would say it was just had a hallucination, prove to us that it was an angel, and so it would go on, never enough proof.
at some stage perhaps I might start another thread about the elemental's, but proof is still unavailable to the ones that do not see them, but that does not mean they do not exist.

Peace and light
Peter

sorry I did not mean to be so abrupt , so many people ask me to prove that there is a God, but if people don't believe in God they cannot I personally believe, accept the elemental's
as they are servants of the Creator, and how can you have a servant with out someone to serve.

I am constantly asked for proof which I believe comes from within / not with out, if an angel were to appear now, after it had gone, people would say it was just had a hallucination, prove to us that it was an angel, and so it would go on, never enough proof.
at some stage perhaps I might start another thread about the elemental's, but proof is still unavailable to the ones that do not see them, but that does not mean they do not exist.

Peace and light
Peter

I wasn't asking you to prove anything, Peter. I was simply interested in why you think the way you do. No problem if you just want to make bold statements and then don't want to discuss them 🙂

I wasn't asking you to prove anything, Peter. I was simply interested in why you think the way you do. No problem if you just want to make bold statements and then don't want to discuss them 🙂

Again I do not want to appear rude, but for many years people have tried to prove the existence of God, and his helpers, to no avail to the disbelievers in God, it was just seeming like I was being set an impossible task.
People who know all the elemental's, and belief in God do not need me to prove to them.

Peace and Light
Peter

Again I do not want to appear rude, but for many years people have tried to prove the existence of God, and his helpers, to no avail to the disbelievers in God, it was just seeming like I was being set an impossible task.
People who know all the elemental's, and belief in God do not need me to prove to them.

Peace and Light
Peter

Another bold statement which, presumably, you will not wish to discus 🙂

Another bold statement which, presumably, you will not wish to discus 🙂

Hi again
Ok what would you like to know, I'm at not being evasive just truthful as I can without upsetting people.

Peace and light
Peter

Tashanie, I will gladly take the 'side effects' from herbals before I will from all the 'FDA approved' drugs on the market. I wonder where I would be today if I had succumbed to cut, burn,radiate and intimidate instead of going the natural path. In the US, drugs are king and those who take herbals are perceived as 'not getting it'. Ingest known carcinogens to cure cancer.........what a concept-glad I didn't 'get it'. There will NEVER be a cure for cancer as far as Big Pharma is concerned!!!

kcat

Tashanie, I will gladly take the 'side effects' from herbals before I will from all the 'FDA approved' drugs on the market. I wonder where I would be today if I had succumbed to cut, burn,radiate and intimidate instead of going the natural path. In the US, drugs are king and those who take herbals are perceived as 'not getting it'. Ingest known carcinogens to cure cancer.........what a concept-glad I didn't 'get it'. There will NEVER be a cure for cancer as far as Big Pharma is concerned!!!

kcat

Hi

You say " There will NEVER be a cure for cancer as far as Big Pharma is concerned!!!"
that is what i believe,we are just controlled by what they want us to know,and what cures are re-leased,providing it does not interfere with the money coming in.
(little or none)

As soon as a cure is re-leased the money would stop for them!
How many poor souls, die of the side effect of their so called treatment?

There deeds await them,when they pass over! as they reap so they will sow,but a mulitude of the harvest that they have sown! (

Peace and Light
Peter

Hi

You say " There will NEVER be a cure for cancer as far as Big Pharma is concerned!!!"
that is what i believe,we are just controlled by what they want us to know,and what cures are re-leased,providing it does not interfere with the money coming in.
(little or none)

As soon as a cure is re-leased the money would stop for them!
How many poor souls, die of the side effect of their so called treatment?

There deeds await them,when they pass over! as they reap so they will sow,but a mulitude of the harvest that they have sown! (

Peace and Light
Peter

Couldn't agree with you more 🙂

kcat

Another bold statement which, presumably, you will not wish to discus 🙂

Hi
try reading the book "In The Light Of Truth" this is evidence I believe that God exist, if you are spiritually awake you will understand it.

Peace and light
Peter

Hi
try reading the book "In The Light Of Truth" this is evidence I believe that God exist, if you are spiritually awake you will understand it.

Peace and light
Peter

I've had a glimpse at it, Peter, and have to say I have read much like it before.

It is only one man's opinion and ironic that that very man, in his foreword, says, 'Only he who bestirs himself can advance spiritually. The fool who uses extraneous aids for this, in the form of the ready-made opinions of others.'

The section on the perils of 'mixed bathing' was amusing, but the following quote clinches it for me:

'God stands before humanity demanding, not enticing and pleading, not lamenting and grieving. He will calmly abandon to the Darkness all the wicked, even all the wavering ones.'

Nice 🙂