Aiding Those with Cancer......?

No...because that is against the law in this country. However good palliative care will ensure the patient has adequate control of symptoms (pain, anxiety, sickness, breathing problems. excess secretions etc ) The fact is that many of the drugs used to relieve these symptoms can be fatal.

But I have seen patients we know to be terminal to live for several weeks pain free, symptom free and comfortable on a cocktail of potentially fatal drugs.

I asked because the last time my husband was taken into hospital I received an emergency phone call the next morning to go to the hospital as he was fading away..

He was dead when I arrived. The doctor explained to me because he had been in so much pain during the night,they had given him a little more pain killer.....

I often wondered about that....

I asked because the last time my husband was taken into hospital I received an emergency phone call the next morning to go to the hospital as he was fading away..

He was dead when I arrived. The doctor explained to me because he had been in so much pain during the night,they had given him a little more pain killer.....

I often wondered about that....

That is something anyone will wonder about. He is out of the pain and suffering. The ache of separation remains for the ones left behind.
Love to you beautiful silverhoodedowl

It's a tricky one. My dad would have lived a little longer had they not given him so much diamorphine. But he would have lived another 2-3 days in increasing pain as the cancer took over. He was exactly enjoying his last week in the hospice either as he couldn't eat or drink (blocked oesophagus) and was knackered from a lack of energy (no food). And bored silly. He was a very active person and spent his last 6 months largely in bed. In a way, he had died 6 months before his actual death.

The aim of palliative care is to reduce suffering......strong pain killers like Diamorphine (which incidentally is heroin.....) reduce pain, can depress respiration and depress the central nervous system. Either of those side effects can be fatal. Thats what causes death when addicts overdose..

Did the pain killers hasten your husbands death? Possibly.......but if they had not given them to him he would have been in pain

That is something anyone will wonder about. He is out of the pain and suffering. The ache of separation remains for the ones left behind.
Love to you beautiful silverhoodedowl

Thank you for your lovely answer.....I must admit when I saw him in the hospital,he looked so relaxed and at peace. His limbs were straight not curled up in constant pain....

The aim of palliative care is to reduce suffering......strong pain killers like Diamorphine (which incidentally is heroin.....) reduce pain, can depress respiration and depress the central nervous system. Either of those side effects can be fatal. Thats what causes death when addicts overdose..

Did the pain killers hasten your husbands death? Possibly.......but if they had not given them to him he would have been in pain

Thank you for giving me that,Tashanie......just to pop a little of the afterlife in here,the day before he 'saw' his twin brother who passed over three days after he was born.
Nice to know they are together again.....

I believe the dying often see those who have gone before. Maybe they are hallucinations caused by the drugs (another side effect) but then again.....maybe not. I have a VERY open mind on that

I am a believer that those from the spirit world visit us,waiting for us to pass when our time comes. Imagine arriving alone in a strange place wondering where we are....
and no one there to greet us.

But to be honest I have doubts like you.....I think everyone has regardless of what we experience in our lives....
Better to be doubtful than proved wrong and feeling a complete idiot.:oops:

I have no doubts about this.

I have no doubts about this.

Then you are very lucky 🙂

As I mentioned in another thread, shamans (and, to a lesser extent, shamanic practitioners) deal with taking people to the land of the dead so often and dealing with souls who have failed to get there by themselves, that there can be no doubt. It would be like doubting the corner shop.

However, I can't see why anyone would have to feel a "complete idiot" no matter what they believed.

Interesting. How do you know who are the lost souls? (I might be one myself one day....:(

We search for those we are asked to search for - someone dies, for example, and a relative will say, "Will you check up on .... please?" so we go and do it.
Sometimes it is obvious there will be a problem - I dealt will ancestors who died in the Sheffield Flood of 1864.
If someone I know personally dies, I will check if they are okay as a matter of course.

I am definitely with Joan and Crowan on this one (afterlife.) I am a medium so would be hypocritical if I didn't believe it! However, when my mum was dying, she had a 'visitation' from someone. I actually saw a figure come from her bedroom, go into the hallway and turn to look at me. It had a big smile on its face and it vanished. It resembled the 'sandman' on the port advert (years ago) and its face was very white, as if it had ashes rubbed in. A few days later, mum passed away.

I feel sure that this was some kind of angel/spirit being that was sent to accompany mum on her journey to the next life. I have since discovered that she is very happy and likes it where she is.

Joan, have no fear - your husband is doing fine.

Love,
Patsy.
xxxxxx

I asked because the last time my husband was taken into hospital I received an emergency phone call the next morning to go to the hospital as he was fading away..

He was dead when I arrived. The doctor explained to me because he had been in so much pain during the night,they had given him a little more pain killer.....

I often wondered about that....

Hello Joan,

Years ago, my mum told me about her brother who had died of cancer (in 1941.) Like your dear husband, he was in a lot of pain. The kindly old doctor in those days, asked my nan if he could 'make him comfortable.' Nan agreed, knowing what 'comfortable' meant. A little while later, my uncle passed into spirit. This isn't the only incident like this I have heard: a friend's sister was 'made comfortable' too, in 1963.

Love,
Patsy.
xxxxx

I am definitely with Joan and Crowan on this one (afterlife.) I am a medium so would be hypocritical if I didn't believe it! However, when my mum was dying, she had a 'visitation' from someone. I actually saw a figure come from her bedroom, go into the hallway and turn to look at me. It had a big smile on its face and it vanished. It resembled the 'sandman' on the port advert (years ago) and its face was very white, as if it had ashes rubbed in. A few days later, mum passed away.
I feel sure that this was some kind of angel/spirit being that was sent to accompany mum on her journey to the next life. I have since discovered that she is very happy and likes it where she is.

Joan, have no fear - your husband is doing fine.

How do you find out this?
(Please understand, this is not a challenge. I am interested in how different people work.) What is it that you do? You say you are a medium. Does that mean that some spirit - your "guide"? - came and told you that your mother and Joan's husband were doing fine?
What exactly are they doing?

How do you find out this?
(Please understand, this is not a challenge. I am interested in how different people work.) What is it that you do? You say you are a medium. Does that mean that some spirit - your "guide"? - came and told you that your mother and Joan's husband were doing fine?
What exactly are they doing?

Hi Crowan,

I am a Spiritualist medium and have been practising (for real) for 24 years. I have had personal evidence that my mum is well and happy in the spirit world - she came and told me herself - and I have also had word from other mediums who did not know her, that she is fine, so I am happy with that. My dad also.

As far as Joan's husband is concerned - why wouldn't he be happy? He is free of that awful illness that killed him and his spirit is free.

I am not a medium who is 'guide bound'.

Hope that answers your question.

Love,
Patsy.
xxxxxx

Hi Crowan,

I am a Spiritualist medium and have been practising (for real) for 24 years. I have had personal evidence that my mum is well and happy in the spirit world - she came and told me herself - and I have also had word from other mediums who did not know her, that she is fine, so I am happy with that. My dad also.

As far as Joan's husband is concerned - why wouldn't he be happy? He is free of that awful illness that killed him and his spirit is free.

I am not a medium who is 'guide bound'.

Hope that answers your question.

Love,
Patsy.
xxxxxx

Not really - or, at least, it answers the question about your mum - though I wonder why, if she got to where she should be, she came back to tell you. But with regard to Joan's husband - "why wouldn't he be" is not at all the same as "he's doing fine".

I've many dreams about him. Heard his voice clearly.
I'm not a medium as such,I don't see them except in dreams which to me are not really provable. I know he comes to me in dreams but because of the content of the dreams but there always that doubt...
Except for the few that have taken place in the 'visiting room'.

What I would like to hear is his voice again.....that would give me the ultimate truth....

His voice might give you the proof you want that existence continues after death, but it wouldn't tell you that he was where he needs to be. He might well not know where he is or that there is anything more than his immediate surroundings.
(I think Mrs S and I are likely to disagree over our basic cosmology of what happens after death.)

I know he often appears in my dreams....but also tells me nothing about his life there.

Based on my experience, I would say that if he is coming to you, in dreams or any other way (as opposed to you just dreaming about him) then he may well be hanging around you because he does not know where else to be.
If he were in the land of the dead, then he would be far more likely to be concentrating on healing and reviewing his life and preparing for his next life.
The dead (those in the land of the dead, at any rate) are aware that we have our own lessons to learn and that there is not really anything to be gained from interacting with the living.

I have friend who is Welsh and a darned good medium. We both lost our husbands in the same year. She gives me many messages from him always telling me he is around. I do feel him sometimes. His hand on mine,the closeness of someone else...

Then I don't want this to sound too hard, but why would you want someone you love to be around you, rather than continuing with his soul's path?

Crowan assuming that mediums are genuinely passing on information they have received from wherever......and as I am married to a medium I have a very pen mind on this........where do you think they are getting information from and who do you think they are speaking to?

I don't make his decisions for him,he is free to go to wherever he wants. If it is his choice to stay part of his afterlife with me,then I welcome that....

I don't make his decisions for him,he is free to go to wherever he wants. If it is his choice to stay part of his afterlife with me,then I welcome that....

If he's lost, then it isn't really a choice.

Crowan assuming that mediums are genuinely passing on information they have received from wherever......and as I am married to a medium I have a very pen mind on this........where do you think they are getting information from and who do you think they are speaking to?

This is a hard one to reply to on a forum like this, as I know it will upset/offend people, and this is the point I mean when I say that shamanism and spiritualism contradict each other. However, -
The dead need to be in the land of the dead. The communication with mediums is with souls who have not got to the land of the dead and who are still wrapped up in this present life. They are prevented, by this being stuck, from moving on along their soul path, and also from doing any healing, reviewing and planning needed. This means that they enter their next life with all the baggage from this one and they have made no plans for the new life.
Some - particularly those who have had a traumatic death - can be so disturbed that I fail to see the good that can come from communication with them.
Some lost souls believe wherever they are to be all there is, never having found more, and will attempt to be say the things that are expected of them - "tell Susie I'm fine" etc.