... Actually, I still come across bad (or grey) news about how it's happening in London. I think in the end one would have to be there oneself for a couple of days to know.
But here's easily the most insightful and informative article on how it began in New York and how it works there that I've come across. It's really IMHO essential reading on the Occupy Movement:
[url]In Zuccotti Park by Michael Greenberg | The New York Review of Books[/url]
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Oh, but my American friends also show me how it could all end:
[url]The Night Occupy Los Angeles Tore Itself In Two | The Awl[/url]
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to anyone that's truley interested in whats 'really' happening I would recommend the independant live stream [url]OccupyLSX - live streaming video powered by Livestream[/url]
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Also thought some maybe interested to read this
[url]Exclusive: Cover-up at St Paul's - Home News, UK - The Independent[/url]
edit to add no wonder the church seems divided
http://www.stpauls.co.uk/Support-St-Pauls/Our-Supporters
edit to add no wonder the church seems divided
[url]Our Supporters - St Paul's Cathedral, London, UK[/url]
Yes, to spell out the point, I don't know the percentage of involvement, but St. Paul's is maintained by financial sponsors, and some of those are banking institutions and the like i.e. St. Paul's is financed to some presumably large degree (?) by The City. There must be division about whether to agree with protests against their own sponsors. Maybe I'm too conspiracy-minded, but I then also wonder what spurred the idea to have the protesters removed...
P.S. The movements around the world can be no bad thing. "People" (in quotes) had no voice. We still don't yet have a voice in actually deciding whether we want to bail out the euro, just for example. But I wonder how it will pan out? The protests are just essentially non-violent, yet we see a fairly successful attempt in Los Angeles to "take over" and ruin at least one of their days there by an outside force. [My point is that in peacefulness and talk there seemed on that day no solution to the take-over of Occupy L.A.]
It's a question of how to respond to any group who tries to drive in wedges. I suppose by just camping in London, and talking, not even marching, there's precious little scope for anarchists etc to move in and do anything.
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Appreciate all the links and information on this current topic.
it looks like the protesters still had a good halloween..lol
[url]Zombie Bank Run vs Government of the Dead on Vimeo[/url]
I don't think this was picked up by the media..must of been some sight to see x
things seem to be really looking up
[url]Archbishop turns on the City as the St Paul's protesters win an eviction reprieve | Mail Online[/url]
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Well, it depends on your point of view, of course!
Well, it depends on your point of view, of course!
and if the intent can be trusted
whats your POV?x
I can't help feeling it's all going to go horribly wrong.
I think at the moment the majority of the protesters are genuine, although some seem a bit vague as to what they actually want, but there is the danger that extremists and agitators will start to take over and the public will get even more exasperated with the movement.
I'm also not comfortable with the Church getting more involved. IMO politics and religion is a dangerous mix, and if the camp remains indefinitely (and how can their demands possibly be met anytime soon?) the tide of opinion will turn against it and we'll have another Dale Farm scenario.
No offence meant, it's just the way I see it, as in things may be looking up, but for whom?
I'll be back later to give a better reply (gotta dash and get my daughter) but haven't politics and religion always gone hand in hand...looking back at history I would say so xx
I can't help feeling it's all going to go horribly wrong.
I think at the moment the majority of the protesters are genuine, although some seem a bit vague as to what they actually want, but there is the danger that extremists and agitators will start to take over and the public will get even more exasperated with the movement.
I'm also not comfortable with the Church getting more involved. IMO politics and religion is a dangerous mix, and if the camp remains indefinitely (and how can their demands possibly be met anytime soon?) the tide of opinion will turn against it and we'll have another Dale Farm scenario.
No offence meant, it's just the way I see it, as in things may be looking up, but for whom?
I 'worry' that it could go horribly wrong but don't 'feel' it will...it's easy to keep a rational sense of order with a sitting protest rather then a march...but I do worry..and expect 'rent a mob' will show up at any piont..or plain clothed police.
I think it's good the church have chosen to show support but will keep on open mind on the out come considering where much of the churches funding comes from. If the church was to choose the option of eviction then it would surley raisde the question if they are still in touch with the true message of Jesus...as for religion and politics, I stan by what I said above...and history can back that up
No offense taken...I like an all round chat and never take offense when another persons views differ from mine..you could teach me something xx
to anyone that's truley interested in whats 'really' happening I would recommend the independant live stream [url]OccupyLSX - live streaming video powered by Livestream[/url]
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todays march from st pauls to parliment...I really hope it doesn't go horribly wrong but I do expect rentamob
well, I've got to say it (I've never been one for keeping quiet) I am suprised that so few hp'ers are interested in whats going on. Here/today we're seeing true media ie overlooking the facts, people standing up and saying 'no' and the apparent shelter (for now) of the church.....incase anyone wonders how together occupy lsx is have a browse of this x
[url]Camponomics: the well-oiled machine that has kept St Paul's tent city alive | Life & Style[/url]