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derekgruender
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Does the fact that I don't feel the need to post on this forum my thoughts and opinions about a matter indicate that I am uninterested in it? 🙂


 
Posted : 11/11/2011 9:44 am
Amelia Jane
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Does the fact that I don't feel the need to post on this forum my thoughts and opinions about a matter indicate that I am uninterested in it? 🙂

I was just saying...as this is a discussion forum, and this is a very current affair which is being very hushed. Ever since I've been a member on HP people have talk about a (or maybe idealised) about a better society.

But, as you're uninterested then I you had no need to reply, stay blind...enjoy:)


 
Posted : 11/11/2011 5:42 pm
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Tavistock have involved themselves...any thoughts? [url]Social Dreaming: a form of social enquiry of the Occupy movement worldwide[/url]


 
Posted : 15/01/2012 3:57 am
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Yes, the occupation at St Pauls is still going on, I spent the evening down there last weekend with a couple of friends who are camping there, and had a fantastic evening. There's a film tent, food and a musician from the Netherlands flew over to give a concert in front of St Pauls.

I am grateful for all those who are continuing to stay there, through the harsh winter and sometimes difficult circumstances. They have built a warm and friendly community which is doing its best to educate and welcome any people who wishes to find out more. I recommend anyone to drop by.


 
Posted : 15/01/2012 10:18 pm
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The Bank of Ideas on Sun Street (behind Liverpool St) hold talks and discussions also and is worth visiting.


 
Posted : 15/01/2012 10:19 pm
Amelia Jane
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The sad thing is it appears there's something very wrong going on there, the donations are going into a bank account for camp climate and if anyone asks about it thoses who have 'taken on the role of responsibility' for OLSX and bank of ideas won't answer..this is from there meeting last week [url]GA minutes – 1pm Thursday 12th January 2012 | Occupy the London Stock Exchange[/url] it's now looking like occupy london has it's very own 1% or more likely it's infiltrated and being led & as for tavistock being there....thats VERY worrying x


 
Posted : 15/01/2012 11:21 pm
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I'm genuinely scared for these people, I don't think it'll be long before the government makes up some charge to have them all arrested


 
Posted : 16/01/2012 10:19 am
Amelia Jane
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They've already been tagged as 'domestic terrorist'....


 
Posted : 16/01/2012 4:43 pm
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They've already been tagged as 'domestic terrorist'....

A reference for that is needed.

Briefly, I think in general the movement is doing great good in the USA. I don't even consider the USA to be a democracy anymore. Too much financial infiltration. But in Europe, including the UK, sure, there was always the chance of it being infiltrated by extremists. I hope for the best.

V


 
Posted : 16/01/2012 6:56 pm
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Briefly, I think in general the movement is doing great good in the USA. I don't even consider the USA to be a democracy anymore. Too much financial infiltration. But in Europe, including the UK, sure, there was always the chance of it being infiltrated by extremists. I hope for the best.

Would you consider the UK to still be a democracy? What makes it so, if the USA is not?


 
Posted : 16/01/2012 9:39 pm
Amelia Jane
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for V [url]Occupy London's anger over police 'terrorism' document | UK news | guardian.co.uk[/url] but just google...but re 'Occupy'......TAVISTOCK' are involved.....fffffffuuuuuc stone me David...you know what this means..social dreaming?????


 
Posted : 17/01/2012 10:39 pm
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[DLMURL="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5gTHD8-qxc4sU1vxqo_nNpYIxewJg?docId=N1049811326855279465A"]The Press Association: City wins bid to evict protesters[/DLMURL]

Next move...?


 
Posted : 18/01/2012 7:25 pm
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Would you consider the UK to still be a democracy? What makes it so, if the USA is not?

Of course, we can always find faults and imperfections (such as our MPs' expenses scandal). But we still have genuinely different parties, and untold millions of £s aren't needed to get each MP in.

In the USA the military-industrial complex (Big Business) finances both parties. It's only an appearance of there being "two" parties or a choice. Actually it's tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum. Like Obama promissing he'd get rid of Guantanamo Bay, and now he's made it a permanent institution. The last president to seriously go against the military-industrial complex was JFK, and we know the story there. So then his brother Bobby ran for office, but said, "There are guns between me and the White House", and he was right. The media is also far more controlled.

Two elections back the contest was between Bush Jnr and John Kerry. Now, in a nation with a population of - 300 million is it now? - there's a secret society called Skull and Bones. It only has about one hundred truly active members. Both Kerry and Bushes (both Bushes) are members. What are the chances? So no matter whom you voted for, you were voting in a member of a sordid secret society. During their campaigns, each were asked about their membership, and they both refused to say a word - fact. Now, if that happened in the UK, the newspapers would be in uproar and have a field day.

V


 
Posted : 19/01/2012 7:47 pm
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Hi David,

I think you are right. Many of these 'Occupy' people really are being vague about why they're camped out there. Some are doing it in protest at bankers, some about global warming, others just because they want to join in. I don't mind if they camp out there but they have been blocking rights of way, and that's wrong.

Maybe the banks did get it wrong and give mortgages, loans and credit cards to people and businesses who could not afford them and caused all the trouble. It wasn't because certain bankers were receiving big bonuses. That did not cause the so-called 'credit crunch.' What caused it was the inability to repay debts, causing certain US banks to fail. Irresponsible lending has been tightened up now, thank goodness, but it took all this to do it. It was a disaster waiting to happen.

My message to those in the camps who complain about bankers bonuses - work hard in school, get good grades and a good career - don't get mad, get rich.

Patsy.
xxxx


 
Posted : 14/06/2012 2:40 pm
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Hi there

"Getting good grades" and "getting rich". I think its a lot harder now for these kids. They have to pay for their own university fees and are easily able to get loans from the bank. From what I heard (? Iive oveseas so may be wrong) most of these kids finish university with 30,000 pounds worth of debt.Then are not able to get a decent job due to lack of practical experience.

When I went to uni our fees were paid for us and we received a grant which we all blew within the first month and then lived off lentils and pasta for the remainder of the term (subsidised by a part time shop in a bar or similiar). If you were lucky you could get an over draft of about 100 pound, 200 pound if you managed to duck and dive from your local bank manager.

We all left uni with virtually no debt. I cannot image what it must be like to start out in life with so much debt. I really feel sorry these kids especially if they are coming from low income families.

Elaine


 
Posted : 26/06/2013 9:56 pm
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