RE: Insight, intuition and Therapies
I am sure that you will agree sometimes the messages from Spirit can be very subtle.
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Because in my experience they like us to take responsibility, to work it out for ourselves and sometimes that can be with the help of a human energy another soul that we have pre-ordained to meet on our journey. Spirit do not wish us to be dependent on them which is why they give us clues and symbology; otherwise we won't tune in for ourselves and that can interfere with the souls chosen journey. Plus once you become one with the source they have no need to guide us anymore,
No, Kim, I do not agree about subtlety in the way that you mean. I do think that it is all too possible to interpret what we see and hear to be what we want it to be.
But I certainly agree that our development is our responsibility, as we have posted above. That is the very reason that we reject all humanly controlled therapies. Also reject outright the idea of predestination as that eliminates free will. We will certainly have chosen the circumstance of our birth, but beyond that, the rest is determined by the moment to moment choices of those on earth, ourselves included.
Those of Spirit do not encourage our dependence upon each other or upon them. That's the whole of the development of the soul--to become one with Spirit, not to lean on Spirit. Your continued existence was and is a duet between yourself and Spirit. And ifwe areone, I do not need symbols for I know the language of oneness.
There is no tuning in, there is only one. As you do not "guide" yourself, Spirit does not guide you, ever; you and Spirit are a unit and a single entity as long as you accept that you are. You can't have it both ways.
RE: Insight, intuition and Therapies
One of the biggest revelations that I have had in my life was when I came to understand the Oneness of everything.
This includes Hitler ! A concept that many find too much to accept , but that is my truth and I know many others who see this too.
I see an analogy in the animal kingdom.
Do we condemn the rat in the sewers or the fleas on the back of a dog because we can see no fit purpose for them ? Because they cause pain and suffering ?
Do we accuse them of being the spawn of the devil ??!! Of course not, they are simply part of an intelligent design that we as humans can not fully understand. The design is awesome and each part has its place.
This does not mean that we shouldresonate withthe darker side of that design , but surely it is there to show us the outcomes of our free will.
If all was love and light at this point in human evolution, then there would be nothing to teach us to take personal responsibility , nothing to show us the error of our ways.
And so I see a huge benefit in all that exists that is flawed. It can reveal to us our own flaws, and when we realise this, then we can cease to fear ''evil'', and begin to heal and grow, and live in Love.
Ru x
RE: Insight, intuition and Therapies
Dear Holos
The therapies enjoined upon the guests of Hitler during the Divine Holocaust do not seem to be authentic to me, although they were thoroughly justified by those who performed them.
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RE: Insight, intuition and Therapies
Well as we know Holos we are poles apart. You talk of Satan and Evil which amounts to sin and that is the limitation of duality and the illusion it creates. As Jesus said there is no sin and in the other scripture he will wipe away these mental concepts of duality, ego etc. What you speak of amounts to attachment to the physical form and when one moves beyond attachment then one is truly free.
No, Kim, I do not agree about subtlety in the way that you mean. I do think that it is all too possible to interpret what we see and hear to be what we want it to be.
I agee with Ru and Sananda God is everywhere and there is nowhere that God is not. However, some are blind to seeing God everywhere. Hence why Jesus called people blind masters.
But I certainly agree that our development is our responsibility, as we have posted above. That is the very reason that we reject all humanly controlled therapies.
Great Spirit is everywhere and I know from experience that Spirit have given therapies for good purpose. However, this is another experience that you have not been ordained to receive yet, but maybe in the future, at this point who knows. It certainly is a calling.
Also reject outright the idea of predestination as that eliminates free will.
Pre-desination is free willl in my experience, the soul chooses pre-incarnation. It is through the esoteric therapies that one has this experience and discovery for the self.
Those of Spirit do not encourage our dependence upon each other or upon them.
I never said they did; they encourage Spiritual Independence and this is exactly what Jesus taught. However, as mentioned earlier no man is an island and spiritual independence also works well with inter-dependence.
That's the whole of the development of the soul--to become one with Spirit, not to lean on Spirit.
I totally agree and this is attained through purification of the soul, then the soul can truly merge with the Spirit in oneness. In my experience it certainly is not automatic and as Jesus said one must reclaim the innocence and wonder of childhood to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. It would be wonderful to see some 'wonder' in your posts and feel the joy that is so lacking in many peoples lives. The wonder of discovery and dance of the child who knows no darkness only unconditional love.
There is no tuning in, there is only one.
I think you have misunderstand my meaning. However, never mind.
As you do not "guide" yourself, Spirit does not guide you, ever; you and Spirit are a unit and a single entity as long as you accept that you are. You can't have it both ways.
I disagree.
The Soul is very different to the Spirit. The Spirit is that part of you that is PERFECT and in my experience the Soul does not merge with the Spirit until the Soul has purified enough to do so; on that journey other spiritual energies do aid us with the process to find our way home to pure unconditional love that is beyond duality.
Perhaps you would like to take this opportunity to define your experience and belief about the Soul and the Spirit.
Divine Love
RE: Insight, intuition and Therapies
Also reject outright the idea of predestination as that eliminates free will. We will certainly have chosen the circumstance of our birth, but beyond that, the rest is determined by the moment to moment choices of those on earth, ourselves included.
We have chosen a lot more than just the circumstances of our birth, most of the time we can't remember because we have been too conditioned. We can all access our 'contract', the more work we do on our energy bodies, (clearing the dross), our contract information becomes clearer.
Each to their own, for we are all having our own experience. To some their contract will be very clear, to others not so clear, and to others yet, perhaps not necessary. It all depends on what you've decided to do whilst here and as only the individual is priivy to that, they are the only ones who will have access to that information.
Having a contract in no way cancels out free will, you still always have free will, you always have a choice.
Love
Rosi x
RE: Insight, intuition and Therapies
To accept that our contract was specific enough to ordain certain events or response to people and thought processes would be to limit the possibility of what we can accomplish in this lifetime. It eliminates the miraculous and the moment of attaining oneness.
We have all chosen to experience things that do not exist in pure Spirit. Our presence on the earth illustrates that choice. Specifically, we may have chosen to experience a physical or mental disability, to live in a state of un-love, to feel powerful or powerless, to express any of myriad circumstances that are not a part of existence elsewhere.
But always, our goal is to hang onto or rediscover that knowledge of oneness. The journey, then, is one of accepting ourselves in spite of all of the faults that we identify. In spite of all of the shortcomings that others try to put onto us, all of the ways that they see that we are not equal to them or not worthy of the benefits the divine has imparted to them.
When we can accept that we ALL have the possibility of overcoming our own feelings of inferiority or superiority and can truly discover that oneness, we have accomplished all that any contract could include. But we dont have to tick all the boxes; we can skip as many of them as we will to get to the end.
It is a matter of choice (thats free will) and that is the whole point of the contract in the first place. You find yourself in a place where the expression of unconditional Love is extremely difficult. The assistance is here, if you can accept it, and you wander around until you discover a way to tap into that assistance. Lots of folks never do and they go home with greater knowledge of the complexity of humanness but without the comfort of knowing that onenessuntil they arrive home again.
So nothing is lost, no price to pay, no specific chores to perform, no lessons to be learnedjust experience and your choice in how you will respond to it.
Oneness is! There is no division of oneness for that would be multiplicity. Therefore the soul is Spirit, just as is the body.
Superstition aside, there is nothing to inspire evil except that choice. Create demons if you want them, or do without themits all the same in the end. And it is that choice, the ability to reason, that makes us different from the other animals. We, alone, can choose to do evil, for the evil is a product of our creations. Is it a sin? No, sin is a word created from the judgment of people. Love which is unconditional has no need to label behaviour sinful, but the Divine cannot participate with us in behaviour that is harmful to another. That would negate Love and there would end the Divinity.
If it comforts you to think that you have greater knowledge or understanding, if you need to blame your diversions on outside influences or predestination, if you find that you must dig in your heels rather than search for new understanding, its all okay. Make your choices. Your only obligation is to be you. Its why you are here. I find that awesome!
RE: Insight, intuition and Therapies
Dear Nancy
Is this not a contradiction?
Therefore the soul is Spirit, just as is the body. The Divine cannot participate with us in behaviour that is harmful to another. That would negate Love and there would end the Divinity.
I don't think anyone here blames outside influences or predestination for anything, so I am not sure where your perception of blame is coming from? Please clarify.
if you need to blame your diversions on outside influences or predestination,
Divine Love
RE: Insight, intuition and Therapies
Oneness.
It is the most important thing in my life.
It is that more that I had been searching for.
In this oneness I have found my more.
I think that it is love which underpins that ultimate expression of me.
And that love is the support network for me to be who I am.
When you have no constraints placed upon yourself by expectations of how you must behave, and what you must do, you can start to begin in that acceptance, to find out who you are.
And that is what I think all this is about; love supports us to be who we are.
And from that support, that oneness which can follow, there is such potential for us, to be so much more than we are now;
And unconditional love will naturally flow for others too.
Unconditional Love is love without conditions.
This love needs no acknowledgement from us.
A love which is just with us always.
A love which supports us anyway which is possible.
A love we may never acknowledge.
A love which is just here, any which way, anyhow.
How important are the words; love and hope for a toddler?
None as words I guess.
They are just interested in the puddles and the sand and the water and the scrunching and the dropping of things over and over, until they are happy that they have got that.
And when they have finished whatever has absorbed the whole of their being, they move into the next thing, usually till they come to a stand still and fall asleep.
They get on with the fascination, the joy, the laughter and total interaction at one with whatever happens next.
And their going with the flow is whatever happens next, naturally.
They move, they play, they interact with life as it happens, knowing that they can securely be who they are; and loved for the special little things, that they say and do.
They make up their own special words to talk about the things which mean so much to them. They express themselves in their own ways.
At what age does what we naturally say and using our own words, at what agedoes it become so wrong?
And that, for me, is some of what oneness is like.
Loved for being me.
Loved for the way that I say things and for how I interact with life.
And in turn I can begin to love others, the same way.
Love for how they say things and how they naturally interact with life.
In just total acceptance of each other, for being who we are.
I believe that the opportunity for us to be who we are, is totally underpinned by unconditional love which has no expectations or limitations.
Iknow that it is self healing whichhas helpedme.
I think that the answer tomy search for my morewas in myown hands.
And in this oneness, I can now begin to be me!
And soI amsharing, trying to usemy words, knowing that what I say can never be wrong; for I am being me.
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RE: Insight, intuition and Therapies
ORIGINAL: Divine Love
Dear NancyIs this not a contradiction?
Therefore the soul is Spirit, just as is the body. The Divine cannot participate with us in behaviour that is harmful to another. That would negate Love and there would end the Divinity.
On the surface, Kim, I can see that it could seem contradictory. It took me a while to grow to that understanding, as well. Look at it this way:
When your son was growing up and began to become more independent of your guidance and your oversight everyday he began to do and say things that were not in line with what you had expected. (Not singling out your son, they all do it.) He made choices that were not exactly what you would have chosen for him, yet he remains your son and retains all of the love that you have always held and displayed toward him. If he should use drugs or kill someone, he is still your son, genetically, emotionally, and spiritually, but you did not participate in those actions with him. Im assuming that you couldnt because of who you are.
There is no way that this person will ever NOT be your son. You cant change his DNA make up, the fact that he grew in your womb, that you have loved him intently. He is a part of you functioning in a world contained within the unit of Unconditional Love. All of that makes him you and me and Venetian and Rosi and on and on, endlessly. But within that unit that encompasses us all, there are places that you will not go and concepts that you will not embrace, just as there are for all of us. The unit, body, entity, collective, that is Spirit will not and cannot express what it is not. Love cannot express hurtfulness.
Your perception of what I am or am not ordained to do in this lifetime is what I referred to as blaming something else.
However, this is another experience that you have not been ordained to receive yet, but maybe in the future, at this point who knows. It certainly is a calling.
Where would the limits come from? Even if I could have accepted limits in a contract, why would Spirit enforce those limits? We all have all potential and can progress endlessly in our development.
RE: Insight, intuition and Therapies
Dear Nancy
Well Nancy sorry I don't feel that analogy fits the question. You are talking about the Soul is Spirit let us not confuse readers by introducing physical realities. If what you state is true how can the Soul/Spirit not be involved in every action if as you say it is also the body. The difference here is that you say the Soul is the Spirit and I say they are very different. In my experience the soul is in a cycle of rebirth, the wheel of karma and it is only through purification of that soul can it ever merge with the perfect Spirit; and in so doing the wheel of karma is broken and one does not reincarnate on earth anymore unless on chooses to come here to help humanity out.
our perception of what I am or am not ordained to do in this lifetime is what I referred to as blaming something else.
Well no I did not state what you are, or not ordained to do in this lifetime so still can't see where your blame is coming from. I made a neutral statement with no conclusion or opinion apart from the fact we just do not know at this stage and as we do not know in this moment what the future will bring how can anyone have any fixed beliefs?
In my experience fixed beliefs keep people stuck on a buoy and does not allow for fluidity and wonder......to surprise us.
However, this is another experience that you have not been ordained to receive yet, but maybe in the future, at this point who knows. It certainly is a calling.
Where would the limits come from? Even if I could have accepted limits in a contract, why would Spirit enforce those limits? We all have all potential and can progress endlessly in our development.
Who mentions limits in this context not me?
One is only limited by duality and the illusion it creates. One minute you talk of duality and then oneness in the next breadth........oneness is beyond duality, blame and limitation. Hence why love is everywhere because it is beyond attachment to the physical.
What makes you think Spirit enforce limits if it is not in your consciousness to think so? I agree with your point about potential and development. What makes you think your free will choice before incarnation will limit you? It is not about limits it is about purifying the soul so that it can align itself with its divine purpose agreed pre-destination. Through healing the self one finds one's true purpose in my experience,.
You still have free will when you get here and can still choose not to align your human will with your own divine will and whatever you choose is perfect for there is no judgement beyond duality. You may or may not refer to EGO as human will where I view Ego in the positive unlless the powerful energy of God is misqualified. However, all is energy negative, positive and neutral and when we see it all in its perfection there we have the oneness.
Divine Love