What does the wobble mean?!

Hi pure-ki

Interesting question - I don't have an easy answer but if you want to give some more information I might be able to get an answer for you or maybe just thinking about the answers to the questions below might help you work out what 'the wobble' is about.

You mention you use 'the arm method' - can you tell us which muscle you are testing. Can you tell us which pre-tests you are doing and whether or not you are re-testing for switching, etc before each working with the next remedy. Can you clarify whether you are testing for an indicator change or whether you are looking for a stress response from the muscle or looking for 'strong' muscle response. Some information on the intention behind the muscle testing might help as well eg are you testing for 'best for the body', 'highest good of all involved', 'priority remedy at this time', etc.

Thank you for posting this question.

Hi KinFed, thanks for your response! I'm the patient not the therapist, sorry if I did not make that clear in my first post.
The muscle we are testing is the deltoid, and testing indicator is the muscle strength:) This is the main method I am familiar with and the homeopath uses this now instead of dowsing.
I am developing some success with a self testing method, but feel more confident with another doing the testing.

If you mean by pre and re testing do we test the muscle for resistance and double check it then yes we do this each time, and the results have so far been consistent. It could be the first or last remedy we test, but the wobble is consistently there.
The interesting thing for me is somewhere in my subconscious something is filtering through.. like there is doubt or possibly fear there...I have questioned myself for any doubts I have over the process, and I know I have absolute faith in muscle testing, and absolutely know to depths of me the truth of the messages from our energy. I have used this simple muscle test method for years since being introduced to it and to the work of John Diamond by a naturopath many years ago, which is probably very old by now, but I use his meridian affirmations everyday!

So I'm wondering, because the wobble is only related to this remedy, if I'm feeling something particular about it, or it may be relating as you say to the question we are asking... Which currently is, 'is this the correct remedy for me to take now, for this particular ailment'. Perhaps the remedy has a bigger picture impact to it than just this particular ailment (wisdom tooth pain, ouch) especially because homeopathy is a holistic therapy, which may bring other things to the surface, which perhaps is causing some fear. If that is the case then it probably is the right remedy, because I believe the only way out is through. But I guess thats a question for a homeopath not a kinesiologist. The homeopath has dismissed this as a weak response, but as you can probably tell, I'm finding it hard to see it as just that.

Thanks for the questions, they have made of think! And I will probably suggest changing the question relating to the remedy now. 🙂

Hi,

Professionally trained kinesiologists usually do other pre-tests as well as testing the muscle resistance . They do pre-tests to be sure that the meridian energy is flowing in the correct direction as any variation in this could mean the possibility of getting less than clear responses to the testing. They are likely to also check that the client is well hydrated - as this can affect the muscle response.

Also, in my experience, kinesiologists would check that, although the muscle testing indicated a possibility that a particular supplement/essence/remedy would be beneficial, the other sytems in the body were in agreement and that there was unlikely to be any kind of adverse reaction to the substance eg in my case, I would check, what are called in the kind of kinesiology I do, allergy modes. I would also test some statements to see what response the client's body gave to them - and to be sure that they had no conflicting beliefs which might lead to conflicting responses to substances.

El

Hi elliet,

Yes, and maybe that is an issue for thought...
I know many very experienced therapists... homeopaths, nutritionists, naturopaths, who use muscle testing alongside their practice, but are not practising as 'professional kineseologists', does this mean that they, or indeed the layperson, cannot use muscle testing, done in this way, as a useful guide at all in your opinion?
Apologies if that has already been discussed on here before!
The homeopath I see is extremely experienced and has been practicing for over 25 years. I think he also believes in empowering the individual and having them participate in their own treatment choices. The remedies have already been selected, I think the muscle testing is then the finetuning and in my experience it really works in just the way we are doing it.
The muscle strength responses were accurate and very clear for other substances I have known allergies to, once that is established, is there no value in the muscle testing at all in your opinion?
Perhaps the question then should be how much of an emphasis is placed on it as a tool for choosing correct remedies. Certainly something to think about.

Maybe I should have posted this in the homeopathy forum or have a look through there!Lol 🙂

I guess tho only way to find out what my particular wobble means is to see a kineseologist?
I am actually curious in a general, not talking about my particular case, on the wobble phenomenon or other less than regular weak or strong responses! 🙂

Hi pure-ki

I feel muscle-testing is a fantastic tool - otherwise I wouldn't have committed to the professional kinesiology training :>) But, part of the skill of interpreting the muscle test is to ensure that all the meridian channels are functioning clearly to begin with, and being aware of the nuances of difference between various responses. The 4 year training I and others undertake/undertook means that we have experienced multitudinous responses before we test clients and so we can 'feel' those variations. By doing a set up procedure to check we have permission to proceed with the muscle testing we do the best we can to get as clear answers as possible.

The wobble you experience could mean such a variety of things - eg your body might want that remedy but from a different manufacturer; or in a different format to the one being offered; or would prefer something else but that remedy is the best available at the time etc. As KinFed said in their post - so much depends on the intention behind the test - is it to find the best remedy at that moment; or for that day; or for that week; or for the highest and best outcome of all; or for the whole body; or for a particular body system; or to help with a physical issue; or to help with an emotional issue; or to clear the root cause of something etc.

Elliet

Ooh this getting even more interesting and complicated to answer 😀

To address the wobble first - like elliet, if I felt a muscle wobble I would take it as an indication to test in more depth, or in a different way, or to double check that the person I was testing (and myself) was 'in the clear', etc, etc So many options to choose from when muscle testing, for example if I got a wobble when using verbal questioning - 'is this the correct remedy for me to take now, for this particular ailment?' - I might change to putting a stress response to the issue in circuit and then find a remedy to strengthen the muscle or I might set a verbal goal in respect of the issue and then muscle test for a remedy to support that goal.

In verbal questioning the 'normal' response for yes is a strong muscle response but I would never assume that was going to be the case and would always check how my client responded and then go on to check whether the client was 'switched' as well as doing other pre-tests before starting to ask verbal questions. I have said in a previous post that verbal questioning takes real skill and that Jane Thurnell-Read's book on verbal questioning is well worth a read.

The debate over using muscle testing without a comprehensive training is always emotive - most kinesiologists feel that having people using muscle testing without a professional training is not helping in getting muscle testing understood or valued. If the person who is muscle testing doesn't do pre-tests, isn't able to adequately explain and/or resolve any
inconsistencies, and doesn't have an understanding of different ways of double checking the results then many kinesiologists feel that encourages doubt in the validity of muscle testing.

So does that mean the layperson shouldn't use muscle testing - well I'm torn on that question, on one hand I think it is okay to test as long as you are aware of your lack of training and are extremely careful how you use it. On the other hand charging for a service that includes muscle testing when you haven't attended a recognised training in muscle testing is not something I respect - I think the client deserves better.

I am more than happy to answer questions on muscle testing and kinesiology because there are so many misconceptions out there and the more we discuss this, the more chance there is that people interested in muscle testing will attend a recognised training and that means more people testing accurately and more happy clients.

Kind regards

Hi Kinfed
Sorry it has taken me so long to respond to your post. Thanks for your thoughts and advice on the muscle testing, it actually led to my questioning it being incorporated into other therapies as a serious diagnosing tool when the therapist is not a qualified kineseologist.:)

It would be a bit like me basing a reiki treatment on a diagnosis using my knowledge of muscle testing, which I would never do because I'm not a trained kineseologist (and because reiki has its own intelligence, but I'm using it as an example to highlight my point).

As for the wobble, well I'm yet to find out what that meant, but I'll be sure to let you know if I do find out!
Kind of symbolic, a wobble reflected my doubts that were beginning to emerge about the diagnosis.:)

Thanks pure-ki and elliet for an interesting exchange.

A wobble to reflect inner doubts - perfect 🙂