Edit to add: I haven't read it all, but it looks like the files are all released here. Looks interesting:
V
Second edit ( the edit function not working all of a sudden?): It looks as though the lower link I gave isn't the item causing the news today after all, but something else.
V
Interesting V.
I remember seeing a documentary about the sightings in the 50's - all near an American airforce base. It turned out they were working on a secret plane or rocket or something - can't remember. (Perhaps it was even the development of the Blackbird?) That was what was seen and allowed to be named a UFO to cover up the milatary development from the Russians.
One reason that "UFO"s were often seen in East Anglia during that past couple of decades could be the presence of the Blackbird flying over there. I know it used to land at Lakenheath, so presume that at least one was based there. With the incredible speed and radar invisibility, if it shot past you, or above you, I guess it could look very alien.
Paintings here - scroll down and imagine that shooting past in a split second.
Judy
Hi, Judy,
East Anglia was host to a number of USAF and RAF bases in the Cold War, yes, and secret missions such as regular nuke bomber runs went from there. However this by no means explains the phenomena reported during and since the 1950s there while the bases existed.
One incident had the Allied military themselves scrambling jets to intercept a UFO there, from Lakenheath. The object didn't behave like a terrestrial craft and wasn't ours. When a jet got close, he described a strange object, which then got behind and tailed him.
Then the same bases were part of the greatest UFO encounter in UK history, at Rendlesham Forest, 1980, when a craft landed on repeated nights just outside the bases, and many people including the base commander stood near to it.
Many books have been written about this. All principle witnesses were sent off to the four corners of the earth, so as not to talk about it - an object also seen by civilians and our police. It caused a major base alert (nukes were kept at the base) so was clearly not one of ours, and from its appearance not Soviet either. One book on this, "You Can't Tell the People", takes its title from Maggie Thatcher's response when asked about it.
V
Great minds think alike V! I was about to post this link when I saw your posts!
All interesting stuff, eh?
Love and light
reikiangel
xxx
I've changed the link in my post above to the Rendlesham incident. Earlier today, to give a link, I simply googled for some and chose one high on the list. I must admit I only later looked at that link - I'd thought one might be as good as another - but my original link was to a silly story cooked up in the week Rendlesham hit the headlines .... that all those trained airmen had mistaken a lighthouse for a UFO, the landing marks were "rabbit scrapings" etc.
So I've now put a better link there. That link either leads you on to this very brief summary of a deep and complex case:
or to much more detail at:
[DLMURL] http://www.rendlesham-incident.co.uk/rendlesham.php [/DLMURL]
To take one page from the website, much-recounted also in books, this clearly was no "lighthouse":
[DLMURL] http://www.rendlesham-incident.co.uk/larry-warren-story.php [/DLMURL]
V
Hi Venetian and Reikiangel,
I'm not doubting that there could be other civilizations elsewhere in the universe, but it does seem strange that most of these sitings are connected to military bases (and as you said, during the Cold War). Again, I watched a documentary which came up with the explanation that they could have been some sort of Russian experimental spy vehicles. Who knows?
One "UFO" caused a great stir years ago while I was flying (sadly I didn't see it!) A pop group were launching their latest album at Battersea and had a gigantic inflated pink or purple elephant (or was it a pig?) that broke away in a high wind. Apparently the air traffic controlers had an amusing time with all the expletives coming over the air waves from the pilots as this thing drifted up through the flight path! "What the **** was that?" 🙂
Judy
Hi Judy,
Probably the best researcher and author on UFOs in relation to the military (of all nations) and secrecy is Timothy Good, such as in his "Above Top Secret". There are hundreds of UFO reports in relation to the militaries of various nations, and at least scores in relation to bases. On the one hand, I don't find it necessarily strange or unusual that any kind of unearthly visitors would be interested in our military; on the other hand I've often thought it likely that UFO incidents, from all the reports I know of and people I know, are actually quite common and widespread, and whereas the public often don't report them and can't act on them, anything near a base is more frequently reported. Since aircraft are sometimes scrambled to investigate UFOs, this also involves bases. In short, I'm not sure there's really a concrete link between military bases and UFOs at all. Maybe, maybe not.
The Russians have been equally puzzled and troubled by UFOs, and if during the Cold War the Soviets had been routinely hovering over our nuclear bases or, as in Rendlesham, settling down just outside them unopposed by our aircraft, then the Cold War would surely have had an easy outcome in their favour. No, they're not Russian.
UFO incidents occurred during, since, and before the Cold War. (Our bombers, on raids to and over Germany in WW2 often encounted amazing globes of light which flew around them and were at the time called "foo fighters". That's been adopted as a pop group name.) There wasn't an increase in UFO sightings when the Cold War began, or a decrease since it ended. The military of just about every nation has encountered UFO incidents (whatever they are). The only difference is that some militaries at first keep them secret, but a few nations have seemingly been open about it.
The pink (?) pig was from Pink Floyd, yes. 🙂
From even just casual aquaintances and the number of them who've seen even very spectacular and low-level UFOs, I feel they're not at all rare. Of quite a large handful of people I know who've seen unearthly low-level craft - from artists to teachers, technicians and PhDs - not one has reported them officially or to the media. So again, my feeling is that sightings are more common than many people think. At the thought of reporting his sightings, one friend just laughs, as he knows there's no point and it would only invite ridicule. Another friend, in a child custody case after divorce, had his spectacular sighting cited in court as proof of his 'insanity' and that he couldn't keep the boys. He won the case.
V
I saw something very weird & inexplicable hovering (still) and then shooting away in North Yorkshire about 18 years ago, in broad daylight. My ex-husband saw it too - we stopped the car and gawped for about half an hour.
We first thought it was a kestrel or sparrowhawk - but it was motionless for 30 min and then shot off sideways, suddenly, at enormous smooth speed.
Neither of us ever reported it, for fear of being written off as irrational / fanciful/ delusional etc.
(I was then a secondary teacher & he a business manager, so we didn't want to be judged badly for the sake of our jobs - as I'm sure many hundreds of others feel too!)
And a few weeks ago, as I said on here, I was scared by a green light that fell to ground level, became solid, bounced, changed shape & moved impossibly fast, silently & niftily. I still daren't park there at night!
I'm not saying they are 'from outer space', but they most certainly WERE:
a) Unidentified,
b) Flying, and
c) Objects - that defied all normal explanation!
Years ago me and two friends were out in my garden one evening just before it got dark, we saw a HUGE ball of light go streaking across the sky and over the horizon. I've never seen anything like it since. At the time we were so freaked out we all immediately turned and RAN back into the house! I think we expected an explosion or something. I don't know what it was, as above I'm not saying it was definitely aliens or anything, but it was an unidentified, flying object!
(I was then a secondary teacher & he a business manager, so we didn't want to be judged badly for the sake of our jobs - as I'm sure many hundreds of others feel too!)
Years ago when I was twelve or thirteen, and maybe teachers were held in more respect, our music teacher, mid-lesson, just broke off from teaching music and for some reason told us all about an amazing low-level object he and a friend had recently seen at night in the countryside. It had been right above them and near - he was clearly gobsmacked. The object he described was like a glowing diamond, hovering still above them. And around it, glowing spheres were shooting around as though in orbit around it. I don't recall if he mentioned sound, or how or if it departed.
I doubt school teachers today would be so open about such things to kids, or with their jobs in mind either.
Then again, the roles were reversed some years later when a friend of mine was a science teacher, and every child on a school bus arrived at school full of amazement, for they said a flying saucer had followed their bus, flying low along the road.
Again, none of these were ever reported to officials or to the media.
Some people don't even like to remember what they've seen! When in my 20s, two friends witnessed a huge glowing sphere in daylight, which came down in an urban area and went right up to some flats, very near to balconies. But when I asked about this years later, while one was still quite open about it, the other had long-since decided not to speak a word about it again, even to me.
V
Police were called out to a 999 call about an unexplained object in the night sky over the valleys area of south Wales. They were told a "bright stationary object" was spotted above the unnamed caller's home.
The Control Room conversation, which took place in May, was recorded:
[url]999 UFO report[/url]
- and below is a transcript:
[INDENT]Control Room: "South Wales Police, what's your emergency?"
Caller: "It's not really. I just need to inform you that across the mountain there's a bright stationary object."
Control room: "Right."
Caller: "If you've got a couple of minutes perhaps you could find out what it is? It's been there at least half an hour and it's still there."
Control: "It's been there for half an hour. Right. Is it actually on the mountain or in the sky?"
Caller: "It's in the air."
Control: "I will send someone up there now to check it out."
Caller: "OK."
The mystery was soon solved, as the exchange between control and an officer at the scene, makes clear.
Control: "Alpha Zulu 20, this object in the sky, did anyone have a look at it?"
Here's another transcript and accompanying audio. This is a tape-recording made at the time by the Deputy Base Commander (USAF) and his staff, upon investigating the landing of a strange object at night in woods outside their nuclear-arms base in East Anglia, the object(s) having been viewed for three nights running:
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Lt. Colonel Halt: Looking directly overhead, one can see an opening in the trees, plus some freshly broken pine branches on the ground underneath. Looks like some of them came off about fifteen to twenty feet up. Some small branches about inch or less in diameter.
[Break in tape]
Lt. Colonel Halt: 01.48. We're hearing some strange sounds out of the farmers...
Sgt. Nevilles: Twenty eight....seven...
Lt. Colonel Halt: barnyard animals. They're very, very active and making an awful lot of noise.
Sgt. Nevilles: definite pigmentation.
Lt. Colonel Halt: You saw a light? Slow down. Where, where?
Sgt. Nevilles (spots UFO): Right on this position here. Straight ahead in between the trees
Lt. Englund: There it is again......beginning of the gap...right there
Sgt. Nevilles: It throw the hell off my flashlight there.
Lt. Colonel Halt: Hey I see it too. What is it?
Sgt. Nevilles: We don't know sir
Lt. Colonel Halt: OK, it's a strange small red light, looks to be out maybe a quarter - half mile, maybe further out. I'm gonna switch off for a...
[Break in tape]
Lt. Colonel Halt: The light is gone now. It was approximately 120 degrees from the site.
Sgt. Nevilles: It's back again
Lt. Colonel Halt: Is it back again?
Sgt. Nevilles: Yes sir
Lt. Colonel Halt: Well douse flashlights then. Let's go back to the edge of the clearing then, so we can get a better look at it. See if you can get the starscope on it. The light's still there and all the barnyard animals have gotten quiet now. We're heading about 110 -120 degrees from the site, out through the clearing now. Still getting a reading on the meter about 2 clicks. Needles jumped 3-4 clicks getting stronger.
Sgt. Nevilles: Now it's stopped. Now it's coming up. Hold on, here we go. Now it's coming up about approximately 4 foot off the ground. The compass has 110 degrees.
[Break in tape]
Lt. Colonel Halt: Right, I just turned the meter off. Better say that again, about 4 feet off the ground, about a 110 degrees, getting the reading of about 4 clicks.
Sgt. Nevilles: Yes sir.... *coughs* excuse me, now it's died.
Lt. Colonel Halt: I...I think it's something here on the ground. I think it's something.....very large....
Sgt. Nevilles: ....a tree right over...
[Break in tape]
Lt. Colonel Halt: We just bumped into the first light that we've seen. We're about a 150-200 yards from the site. Everything else is just deathly calm. There's no doubt about it, there's some kind of strange flashing red light ahead.
Sgt. Nevilles: Yeah, It's yellow.
Lt. Colonel Halt: I saw a yellow tinge in it too. Weird. It appears to be making a little bit this way?
Sgt. Nevilles: Yes sir
Lt. Colonel Halt: It's brighter than it has been...It's coming this way. It's definitely coming this way.
Sgt. Ball: Pieces are shooting off!
Lt. Colonel Halt: Pieces of it are shooting off.
Sgt. Ball: at about 11 oclock (12 oclock being directly up, 3 oclock being to the right etc.)
Lt. Colonel Halt: There's no doubt about it - this is weird!
Sgt. Ball: Look to the left!
Sgt. Nevilles: There's two lights. One light to the right and one light to the left.
Lt. Colonel Halt: Keep your flash light off. There's something very, very strange. Check the headset out see if it gets any stronger. Give us...
Sgt. Nevilles: OK, I have an indication that this is a vague reading too
Lt. Colonel Halt: A vague reading?
Sgt. Nevilles: The ? has been removed
[Break]
Lt. Colonel Halt: OK, pieces are falling off it again
Sgt. Ball: It just moved to the right...went off to the right
Lt. Colonel Halt: Yeah ....strange, Ahh.
Lt. Englund: Went off to the right.
Lt. Colonel Halt: Strange. One again left. Let's approach the edge of the woods at that point. Can we do without lights? Let's do it carefully, come on... OK we're looking at the thing, we're probably about 2-3 hundred yards away. It looks like an eye winking at you, it's still moving from side to side and when we put the star scope on it, it's sort of a hollow centre right, a dark centre, it's...
Lt. Englund: It's like a pupil...
Lt. Colonel Halt: It's like the pupil of an eye looking at you, winking...and the flash is so bright to the Star scope, err.... it almost burns your eye.
[Break in tape]
Lt. Colonel Halt: We've passed the farmer's house and are crossing the next field and we now have multiple sightings of up to five lights with a similar shape and all, but they seem steady rather than pulsating a glow with a red flash. We've just crossed the creek...
Lt. Englund: Here we go...
Lt. Colonel Halt: What kinda readings are we getting now? We're getting three good clicks on the meteor and we're seeing strange lights in the sky.
[Break in tape]
Lt. Colonel Halt: 2.44: We're at the far side of the farmers, the second farmers field and made sighting again about 110 degrees. This looks clear out to the coast. It's right on the horizon. Moves about a bit and flashes from time to time. Still steady and red in colour. Also, after negative readings in the field, we're picking up slight readings 4-5 clicks now on the meter.
[Break in tape]
Lt. Colonel Halt: 3.05: We see strange err, strobe like flashes to the err ... almost sporadic, but there's definitely something there, some kind of phenomena.
3.05: At about err..10 degrees horizon err directly north, we got two strange objects, err..half moon shape, dancing about with coloured lights on them. but err. it has to be about 5-10 miles out, maybe less. The half moons have now turned into full circles as though there was an e...eclipse or something there for a minute or two.
[Break in tape]
Lt. Colonel Halt: 3.15: Now we've got an object about ten degrees directly south...
Sgt. Nevilles: There's one to the left
Lt. Colonel Halt: 10 degrees off the horizon, and the ones to the north are moving, one's moving away from us.
Sgt. Nevilles: It's moving out fast
Lt. Colonel Halt: They're moving out fast.
Sgt. Ball: There's one on the right chasing away too.
Lt. Colonel Halt: Yeah, they're both heading north. H...here he comes from the south; he's coming in toward us now!
Sgt. Ball: Sh*t.
Lt. Colonel Halt: Now were observing what appears to be a beam coming down to the ground!
[Excited discussion in background]
Sgt. Ball: ...Colours...Sh*t.
Lt. Colonel Halt: This is unreal!
[Break in tape]
Lt. Colonel Halt: 3.30: And the objects are still in the sky, although the one to the south looks like it's loosing a little bit of altitude. We're turning around and heading back toward the base. The object to the...the object to the south is still beaming down lights to the ground.
[Break in tape]
Lt. Colonel Halt: 0:400 Hours one object still hovering over the Woodbridge base at about 5-10 degrees off the horizon. Still moving erratic and similar lights beaming down as earlier
End of tape: duration approx. 18 minutes
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That's only a small portion of the 18-minute tape which can be heard here:
[DLMURL] http://www.rendlesham-incident.co.uk/the-halt-tape-and-transcript-rendlesham.php [/DLMURL]
V
a few years ago hubby was out walking late one night in yorkshire and he saw something that he felt was a ufo, ifeel that there are other life forms but i cant get my head around the fact why would they want to communicate with us, they would see what a mess we have made of our planet and they would not let us anywhere near theirs.
Hi David,
I'm very interested in the Rendlesham case, and husband and I plan a visit there after Xmas (we're currently reserarching for a new book.) It's arguably one of the best documented cases of a UFO encounter that anyone will read; certainly much more interesting than Roswell.
Have a look at this curious case from 1979:
Patsy.
😉
A quick note on Rendlesham, though. The female author of "You Can't Tell The People" was there for her book - the base is long-since closed, and everything's changed with little left to see ....
V
I had a curious feeling that the airforce base at Rendlesham was closed, David. However, that takes nothing away from what was, and is, a very strange case. I heard the transcript years ago, and the men involved were all genuinely frightened by what they'd experienced. In the years since December 1980, no plausible explanation has ever been found for the curious lights in the forest.
Patsy.
That transcript is great David! I wonder if the gaps were removed for some reason or the radio actually broke up?
Check this link out
Seems the UK Government are so concerned about the massive increase in sightings this year that they have recruited a special Mulder and Scully-like FBI team to look into it! Quite why they would need the FBI is beyond me though. Then again it was originally a story from The Sun so take it with a pinch of salt 😉
That transcript is great David! I wonder if the gaps were removed for some reason or the radio actually broke up?
Check this link out
Seems the UK Government are so concerned about the massive increase in sightings this year that they have recruited a special Mulder and Scully-like FBI team to look into it! Quite why they would need the FBI is beyond me though. Then again it was originally a story from The Sun so take it with a pinch of salt 😉
It's hard to know what to make of that article, as it's so badly written and has no references. I can't believe at all that the FBI are being used - the MoD wouuld not do that. And how "undercover" is it, when printed in The Sun? :p It sounds like a very garbled version of something smaller which may or may not be happening. Is there any other printed or online source about it, or about an upsurge in UK UFO activity?
I don't think there's anything mysterious about the breaks in the recording. It was a dictaphone-type of recording, not intended to be continuous but as note-keeping. So, usually each new section starts with the time being given, for instance.
It's hard to know just how big Rendlesham was as a set of repeated incidents, but some who were at the base then have said that the base commander met with beings from a craft, this all being video'd, and all kinds of wierdness. But the detailed books are best on that, not a forum post.
V