RE: Masters experiences...
Sol - think I've got where you are... 🙂 The metaphor of the birds made it clearer for me. 😉
Then later on, another person says they talked with a Mountain Deva, but when you listen to the persons description of their experience, you hear no similarities of language or eloquence or profound expression. So you wonder… is it that I am different to everyone else – or is it that these other people don’t communicate with these Mountain Devas at all, yet think they do… I guess that’s my point – how can I define whether smeone else’s experience is valid and genuine without being able to experience their ‘event’ in the way that they do?I don’t know if I’ve expressed that sufficiently precisely – your replies will tell me…
It seems to me that you may be a very rare 'owl' indeed, Sol. I could recognise some of the higher spirits I have met through your first description as indeed, they carry a deep, peaceful spiritual strength which carries no judgement, no ego, no superiority - just a simple desire to help us be the best we can be, even if that help means they have to stand and watch us fall.
Perhaps the best way for you to validate the shared experiences of others is by questing past the ego of their statements to the truth of their hearts? I know I am guilty of cloaking the deepest connections with ego-sounding words because in truth, words are not enough to express the connections of the heart and spirit. Many of my encounters lie dormant and hidden because when I have ventured to share them, the level of understanding is not there. Maybe you have met others of like kind, but they have not, as yet, grown enough to be comfortable sharing?
See, I'm not even sure if I expressed that properly! [8D]
Moonfeather
RE: Masters experiences...
Hi Sol,
I basically agree with almost everything you've written or at least I understand your points and feelings. Happily I don't (now) feel alone and haven't for a long time on my path. There are many kindred people. But I did have that feeling to begin. Those who seek the high altitudes have somewhere been called 'The Lonely Ones', possibly in Theosophy. This of course doesn't really mean the emotion of loneliness, but it's a metaphor for the fact that it's a fairly rare Way in the world so far, and it can be solitary until you magnetise others, or yourself to them, by the like vibration.
As you know I agree on the fact that the great majority who use the Masters' names or believe they've a contact in fact do not. The Mahatmas themselves wrote on this way back in the 1880s, in the Mahatma Letters. Moreover, even the very 'elite', so to speak, are sometimes led astray by psychic miasma masquerading as that archetype of 'The Masters'. I'm currently following the saga of several break-away groups from an authentic body of disciples who believe they have contact yet don't. It's channeling from the unconscious, as the Masters elsewhere affirm.
To be honest, with all great respect to the forum, HP, it's probably not the best place to express things about the truths of the Masters as opposed to the masquerades... Though I don't know a good forum for it. The real disciples seem to usually be too busy for a lot of chat or forums (ouch, so where does that leave me? :D:D). Take M: a Person of Action and often of very few words indeed. I've read the actual Letter by him in the British Library where he's standing in for KH and replying to his correspondents. After an 8 or 10-page letter he concludes that it's the longest letter he's ever written on his life (up to then).
Yes, as for yourself Sol, and Energy AW, I have to throw my opinion with Sol on his comments. I was going to comment the same anyway. We are not IMHO born equal in spiritual terms since we come with completely varied karma and dharma from past lives and future goals. Therefore some have a deep contact, some a slight one, and the great majority no contact and not even an interest. I don't resonate with EnergyAW either, apologies, on the idea that it's a mistake to incarnate. Entering the round of incarnations in the first place is a decision of our Monad or Higher Self; in fact the very purpose for the creation of the 'dense' physical planes is so that they are here to incarnate into, to land with a bump ;), find it so difficult in time and space but to master these conditions.
Again, hard things to discuss here and on public forum. Easier among kindred people I'd say, as there are issues here which aren't really intended to be up for debate and controversy, etc. It's not Their way.
V
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Well I understood you perfectly, Moonfeather! I understood Sol too and I feel for him (and his wife) - it can be a lonely road. Of course we all know that everyone is at a different stage in their development and throughout our journey we may have come across others who we believe are in the same place as ourselves - only to find they are on a different route entirely and were simply crossing our path. That can be quite disappointing - however disappointment can only take place when we have expectations. I tend to travel with expectancy these days rather than expectations and find it works for me. We are all climbing the mountain and are at different stages in that climb. Some find it difficult to shed the ego and fear based emotions and some do not. Many are higher up the mountain than me and may have spectacular views which I have not yet seen and, therefore, cannot comprehend. Some have chosen not to climb to the place where I am at present and that is their choice and their perogative. Some climb to a point and then take a path which they believe takes them upwards and yet it only takes them round and round (in ever decreasing circles??) and that, too, is their choice and their perogative. I, personally, don't love those on the higher plateau any more than those around me and those who are still climbing to my vantage point - each morning when I wake I say "Good morning world, I love you all" and I mean it.
Discernment, of course, is not judgement and so I have learned to step back from energies which do not make my heart sing without judgement and with love. That's where I am at present and I am happy with that. It doesn't matter where anyone else is and those we 'think' are not as spiritually advanced as us may well be far more advanced and here simply to give us the lesson of humility - and love which we have agreed to learn.
When Venetian said "We are not IMHO born equal in spiritual terms" I understand his meaning and yet I feel that we are born equal inasmuchas we have a level playing field each time we incarnate into a human body - a starting point from which to spiritually grow and learn the lessons we have chosen. The universe obliges by sending us those lessons and, when we ignore them, they come harder and faster until we finally realise that the 'why is this happening to me?' syndrome is taking place because we are not fulfilling our 'contract'. I can still occasionally be heard to mutter "Life's a bowl of cherries - it gives me the pip!" (thankfully, not often now!!!) We are not perfect and can never be whilst here - the human condition is one of imperfection. Each time I think a nice, positive thought I know it is raising my vibrations. Each time I think a negative thought, it is keeping me in a place I no longer want to frequent.
There are thousands 'out there' who believe they are channelling the great Beings of Light - maybe some are and maybe some aren't. When I read 'channelled' words I simply discern whether it makes my heart sing - or sink and either accept it or stand back from that energy. Whenever words (and feelings) of negativity arise in a channelled message, I stand back because my understanding and 'knowing' is that no Ascended Master, Angel or other Being of Light would ever use judgmental language or stir up negative feelings. Negativity is a human trait, is it not? Fear based emotions such as anger, resentment, bitterness, judgement, the need to control others and bring them into line with our beliefs, etc., etc., belong in the lower vibrations and not the higher frequencies of the Ascended Masters, etc.
We are all energy and we affect each other - as the unseen winds affects the leaves on a tree or is whipped up into a frenzy which blows roofs off houses. I am striving to be a gentle breeze and, hopefully, never again whipped up into a hurricane as a result of fear I have allowed to build up in me!
Well, I don't know where all that came from - must have been kickstarted by my only cup of coffee for th
RE: Masters experiences...
Dose it real matter what you talk to
As long as you get some thing out of them
To me the higher energies are grate and say some awesome things
But it normally takes a lower energy to actually make me see the meaning of what they say and get it through my thick skull
and they all ways say to me all energy is one and we come in forms you understand so to me is dose not matter who they are or what they say as long as I can make it a way of being or truly understand the words
and in readings I have found my self on a shamic journeys or in Egypt seeing symbols and some times not on the planet at all and it mean some thing for them but mean nothing to me and wonder if I popped the wrong acid tab
but if you see high beings good for you
but for me is the little blue aliens high or the white being that has only has third eye and yellow light coming out of its eyes high is the serpents the wolf the ones that call them selfs the golden ladies the high priestesses or the Christ conciseness the ascended masters or white brother hood Dartainen, Christ, higher self, god
.. ect
for me they are all labels of the same thing voices in my head and being I see in my travels that show me things
to me its what they show me not who they are
..All energy is one to me the same
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To add a thought or two more to this thread:
ORIGINAL: Sol
I often read and hear about the experiences of other people – about how ‘this or that’ has happened to them, or how a 'Great named Soul’ spoke to them or communicated in some fashion with them… Nearly every single time, when I reflect to my own experiences, I feel as though these people can’t be experiencing ‘That named Soul’ – because if they did – it would never happen that way – The Masters would never comment on so trivial a matter – or in such a (to be honest) coarse a manner. They’d never surely ‘pander to that personality’ – or would they? Are these people being duped by their own (often quite extraordinary) egos?
Once more I'd like to affirm that I feel I know exactly what you mean, Sol.
There are ego factors at work in some cases for sure, albeit unconscious. However there are also many - the good majority I'd say - of inauthentic channels for Them who aren't making their mistake out of ego, but, to refer to the Letters yet again, out of the errors outlined by the Masers there. A genuine and sincere person who has the Masters consciously or unconsciously in mind, if psychic but untrained, is duped by the amazingly convincing abilities of the unconscious to render images and messages.
In such cases, my information is that these individuals are not getting nearer to Light and truth in fact, but are suffering damage to the aura in this process of receiving and believing false messages. There's also a large karma in sending them out and influencing others, to call a spade a spade. It really is not good news all round. [&:]
Most of all I know what you mean when you say, "These people can't be experiencing That great soul" since you know the real and authentic personality. Yes, they can alter their approach according to the person, but there are borders they don't cross and a quality they don't fall below as you know. 😉 My friends and I take perhaps one second flat to recognise the false to be honest, as there are all sorts of buzzwords out there attributed to the Masters' use, false concepts, false names of Masters or the idea that they've completely changed their names, and false teachings. These falsehoods are very common as a thread running through most false channels (they all use the same buzzwords that the Masters actually don't) ... which is very useful 😀 since it means you only have to take a glance at written material, see a couple of these common misconceptions on the instant, and here we all go, "Oh, it's another one!"
It's useful to keep these obvious signs up one's sleeve for the most part. 😉 Broadcast them and the messages might adapt! So I tend to just like to have them there as an obvious red flag.
There are rare instances of (IMHO) false sources, the break-aways who once were with authentic sources, that don't display most of these traits, and I must admit these take a lot of discernment, and friends and I don't necessarily agree on a couple of them.
Venetian