Are you convinced by the LOA?

Law of attraction or any other... All creation happens within the SELF. Its all about the SELF. There is no mystery to it, if looked at from that experience.
LOA is nothing to harp about if you you understand the nature of SELF. Infact then it is extreme hard work to hold attentions, attract, being positive,constantly giving direction to mind to keep on a narrow track and all that. Very efforty, but its better than being negative.

It can do some good albeit with great effort and attention until one is ready to fall in the flow..
Loose and natural is the flow. Jumping into that is grace, then it is all effortless play.
Its like LOA is all the rage then one finds a way to go beyond it and then even beyond that and the jouurney goes on becoming more expansive. And then stumble upon thew root of all laws - the SELF itself.
Good luck to who are using it and good luck to those who have gone beyond it. Its all good.

Coming to Dawn's other point though, I certainly believe the LOA can work in a negative aspect... people can certainly attract negativity and ill health to themselves just as much as those who choose to attract positivity and good health within themselves.

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Coming to Dawn's other point though, I certainly believe the LOA can work in a negative aspect... people can certainly attract negativity and ill health to themselves just as much as those who choose to attract positivity and good health within themselves.

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I agree the Law of Attraction can work either way, and I deplore it's use for purely materialistic purposes.

I care for someone with Alzheimers who has been repeating over and over - maybe 100 times a day - 'I can't cope, I don't know where I am'. I have tried to alter this to 'I can ...', but to no avail - he has gone downhill very quickly indeed.

It does indded work in whatever direction one focuses. It is a tool.

Personally, I perceive this as more of a way of being rather than a law of attraction, to me it is a form of creation which comes from with us to create and manifest things that are both within us as in health and without us as our existence and the environment we dwell in, but it is always within our realities.

To my understanding our thoughts create our realities, yes the oneness gets on board and assists us to manifest whatever we are harbouring within our core way of being, which is created from our thought patterns and beliefs, to just try and create something which is at odds with our core way of being is hard work, it is a lot easier to transform the way of being and allow things to progress naturally out of that, which requires little effort.

Absolutely Paul, the LOA as I see it too is another model or set of terminology to describe living in the present moment, or being the Self/Oneness, or one of the other many ways of describing BEing that we talk about.

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So what do people think about the Law of Attraction?

Hi . All .

As an example .

(If) jesus existed and (If) jesus was an ascended master and expressed love and light then perhaps why was he supposedly tempted by the devil / darkness In the wilderness . To be In expression of love and light would of In essence drawn to him by law of attraction only love and light .

Perhaps free will has a key part to play In all of this and karma also . If what goes around comes around then we will not exactly attract what we need to experience via attraction but rather by karmic law . Not only nice things happen to nice people and not only bad things happen to bad people - only what we need to experience seems to be consistently happening and only what we deserve on some level seems to also .

Did jesus attract the devil because jesus had a shadow self? Was the devil attracted to jesus because there was an element of light within (him) . Does the light attract the darkness as like a moth does to a flame . I would say yes and yet they are supposedly opposites . I understand also that like attracts like .

So what does that mean .

Does everybody Including jesus just experience what Is needed within that lifetime or does everything happen because on some level the laws of attraction dictate that . Perhaps If everything Isn’t written In stone then there may be a bit of both that Is In effect here .

I don't really believe In coincidences as on some level all things happen for a reason unless one Is removed by the Influence of certain natural laws .

Are you convinced by the LOA?

Not entirely - It depends on how deep the rabbit hole Is . What appears to be LOA may be the result of something entirely different . We might just not understand what that Is lol .

daz .

Absolutely Paul, the LOA as I see it too is another model or set of terminology to describe living in the present moment, or being the Self/Oneness, or one of the other many ways of describing BEing that we talk about.

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I believe living in the present moment is the most important thing. Time is not really linear anyway so looking back or forwards too obsessively usually causes problems. It's a simple Buddhist concept really, being mindful. It's hard to do, but I think those who do live in the moment are happier and draw more positive energy towards them anyway, so they don't need to keep asking the universe for things.

For me, awareness of the law of attraction, or maybe 'what goes around comes around' ,gives me a very exciting and empowering framework with which to approach the daily challenges of living.

It requires me to be creative, rather than reactive, which I think is a good thing.

Neither do I shy way from the money/materialistic side of it - how many idealistic people do you know who have great ideas for the world but stand little chance of implementing them through lack of resources? I think that money is just a tool - with as many opportunities to do good in the world as you can think of.

I believe living in the present moment is the most important thing. Time is not really linear anyway so looking back or forwards too obsessively usually causes problems. It's a simple Buddhist concept really, being mindful. It's hard to do, but I think those who do live in the moment are happier and draw more positive energy towards them anyway, so they don't need to keep asking the universe for things.

I think that's a debate in itself. Is it really hard to do? Often, when we practice and understand how to do it, we realise that it's that simple that we also realise our belief that it was something hard to attain was just that... a belief, created by our minds to keep us in it's power rather than us being in control of it.

Neither do I shy way from the money/materialistic side of it - how many idealistic people do you know who have great ideas for the world but stand little chance of implementing them through lack of resources? I think that money is just a tool - with as many opportunities to do good in the world as you can think of.

Spot on Alison. I think things like "The Secret" didn't strive to put that message across, but came across itself as being more selfish and greedy for the attainment of wealth. If the desire is there to use the money for the right non-selfish reasons, then it will manifest more easily.

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So what do people think about the Law of Attraction?

I do not know too much about the Law of Attraction, just the few bits I've gleamed from other posts. My feeling is that as we change in our attitude and our energy we can affect people we interact with - this can lead to different outcomes with these people.

I find it difficult to believe that by just wanting and visualising physical objects we can manifest these objects. I know people say that we manifest whatever we want and we can create whatever we want, but that is evidently not true otherwise everyone that wants to be a millionaire would be; everyone that enters X-Factor would win; every Big Brother contestant would win; Gordon Brown, Nick Clegg and David Cameron would all have won the last general election... etc. The obvious truth is that we can achieve what is possible for us as individuals through a combination of our ability, our effort and our path. The best we can do is heal ourselves on every level and allow our path to unfold.

Hi Andy,

I find it difficult to believe that by just wanting and visualising physical objects we can manifest these objects.

Ok, consider it like this...

Our senses receive millions of signals every day, but our unconscious mind filters out a lot of these signals so that just the ones that relate to our current focus stand out to us. There's no way we would be able to consciously focus on all the inputs from all the senses all the time (just like you don't feel your feet touching the floor until it's brought to your attention somehow ) When you put your focus on something you notice it more.

A classic example is when we went to buy a car some years back (I know I've recounted this story before so apologies to anyone who's heard it). We went down to the garage and test drove the cars to pick the one we wanted and, as it was a new car we were going to have, we were asked to pick what colour we wanted. We looked through the colours and decided on one particular one. It was a colour of green we hadn't seen on a car before, and it was something that was going to make our car "unique" to us, at least that's what we thought at the time. So, we ordered the car, and had to wait for it to be shipped into the country and delivered which was a couple of weeks. When we went to pick it up, there it was, our new car in a lovely shade of green that was unique. We drove out of the garage in it, and on the way home, we saw several others the same and couldn't believe that other people had the same colour and make of car as us.... we hadn't seen them before.

So, as you can see, because this make and colour of car was intensely in our mind at that time, we started to notice all the other cars the same around us, but until that time, we had been essentially blind to them.

Likewise, if we put our mind on something we "desire" (I'll use that word loosely), and we keep repeating that intention in our mind, then things around us will start to appear that will lead us to that "desire". It may not be the object directly, but it could be things that will assist us in achieving that desire, especially if the desire is not likely to be something you can just get in one go. Without the intention in the mind, we are essentially blind to most things around us that will lead us to the desire. Even with the intentions, we have to remain aware and in the present moment (in order that our minds intention is not clouded by other thoughts) so that we can notice the signs, signals, objects etc. that cross our path that can assist us in achieving the desire, otherwise we can easily let them pass and miss the opportunities.

So, the LOA works in this way, not by magically creating things out of thin air, but by bringing our conscious mind into alignment with the desires and allowing us the opportunities to reach those desires.

Of course, the desires have to be realistic... anyone who thinks they can manifest something completely unreasonable without any focus and effort on their own part is fooling themselves, and this is why a lot of people fail at using the law of attraction or have tried it and said that it's rubbish and it doesn't work. They believe that they just wish for something once and it'll appear. These are the people who typically have heard of the law of attraction, but have not been taught it such that they understand the principles of how to go about using it.

Hope that clarifies.

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So, the LOA works in this way, not by magically creating things out of thin air, but by bringing our conscious mind into alignment with the desires and allowing us the opportunities to reach those desires.

Of course, the desires have to be realistic... anyone who thinks they can manifest something completely unreasonable without any focus and effort on their own part is fooling themselves, and this is why a lot of people fail at using the law of attraction or have tried it and said that it's rubbish and it doesn't work. They believe that they just wish for something once and it'll appear. These are the people who typically have heard of the law of attraction, but have not been taught it such that they understand the principles of how to go about using it.

That clarifies it for me, thank you. So basically, we put our focus on something that we want to achieve then we work to achieve it - if it is possible within our limits we achieve it, if not we don't. To me that is just common sense, something that we all do. Writers make millions from books telling people this?

Depends what you mean by "work to achieve it". I think it's more a case of you bring the desire of what you want into mind, and then use your awareness to be aware of instances where the senses bring things to your conscious that will bring that desire about. The more present you are and the more you have instilled the desire into the mind, the more likely you are to achieve it, but it doesn't have to be hard work like you make it sound.

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Depends what you mean by "work to achieve it". I think it's more a case of you bring the desire of what you want into mind, and then use your awareness to be aware of instances where the senses bring things to your conscious that will bring that desire about. The more present you are and the more you have instilled the desire into the mind, the more likely you are to achieve it, but it doesn't have to be hard work like you make it sound.

'work to achieve it' means to take the necessary actions. For example if my desire is to be an Olympic athlete I would have do more than 'bring the desire into my mind' - I would have to be prepared to carry out the regular and intensive training required, I would have to be physically able to carry out the training and I would have to be able to perform at a level that is Olympic standard. For me this is impossible due to my physical limitations, for some it is possible, hence some athletes compete in the Olympics, and for other athletes it remains a distant dream regardless of their desire, focus and effort.

There are laws that govern all levels of the Universe. Some people use their level of awareness to get a glimpse of these laws and think they understand the Law. They do not. Human knowledge is limited - this needs to be understood before progress can be made.

Hence why I pointed out that what you desire should be realistic.

Hence why I pointed out that what you desire should be realistic.

I agree totally with that. As I have said on many a post, we are all limited, the best we can do is fulfil our potential.

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I thought I might just put a different perspective on this (with all the talk of our limitations/potential) and say that perhaps a lot of people do not attract what they want (whether with the LOA or not) because they have already decided that 'we all have limitations' thereby limiting themselves in some way and failing to achieve their 'potential' - afterall who really knows what their full potential is? I agree, there may be clearcut examples eg you would not expect a one legged person to be an olympic runner, but when you think of it, even these examples are not as clear as one might think. They could sit in a wheel chair all their lives........OR.......they could get an artificial limb, enhance their coordination with intensive rehab....or the latest cybernetic tech:), or develop their remaining limbs.......okay, so I'm letting my imagination run wild, but if you were a ball of light at the beginning of time deciding who would have the best chance to thrive, would you bet on beings with two legs....or more legs!!!
Anyway, why does the idea of manifesting an outcome (be that material wealth or otherwise) using visualization or intention seem any more improbable than using 'visualization and intention' to pull some energy through your head and out your hands and using it to treat anything from a headache to cancer to emotional ailments.........

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Anyway, why does the idea of manifesting an outcome (be that material wealth or otherwise) using visualization or intention seem any more improbable than using 'visualization and intention' to pull some energy through your head and out your hands and using it to treat anything from a headache to cancer to emotional ailments.........

I think because channelling energy and applying it to treat ailments has a logic to it and a process for that to happen which is within the Law of the Universe. Visualising material wealth and expecting it to manifest as a direct consequence of just the visualisation has no process within the Law of the Universe and therefore cannot happen.

I thought I might just put a different perspective on this (with all the talk of our limitations/potential) and say that perhaps a lot of people do not attract what they want (whether with the LOA or not) because they have already decided that 'we all have limitations' thereby limiting themselves in some way and failing to achieve their 'potential' - afterall who really knows what their full potential is?

I think in a sense you are right, there are limitations that we put on ourselves which we can overcome through healing and there are limitations placed on us by our path, which we cannot overcome, nor should we spend our lives trying to. The key to a fulfilled and content life is in my opinion knowing the difference and acting accordingly.

Ah well....some would argue that the LOA is one of the laws of the universe and may even explain the 'process'......( you did say you didn't know much about the LOA, so you cannot say 'it is not possible' as your 'perspective' is limited).
Some would also argue that we choose all our limitations, both those which are self imposed and those which are imposed by our 'life path' so perhaps even the idea of a life path is a limitation. What I mean is; you could have two people with the same life path. One achieves their full potential and the other gets absolutely nowhere. Looking from the outside, could you not say they had different life paths? I agree you could live a life of longing for what appears to be impossible, but if you are open to an outcome, then it isn't impossible to you-only others and if you are happy, who cares! Maybe the next time around, you could get serious and follow your proper 'life path':D
I guess what I mean is, can you really know where the limits of your life path begin and end. If so, who tells you? if its another, how can they know? If its you, is it not a self imposed limitation.

Crystal elf