Hi all,
I have just taken an intollerance test with CNS and it has bought up a moderate reaction to cows milk, potato, soya and a greater reaction to all sorts of nuts. It also showed up a little bit less of a moderate reaction to oats and gliadin. does anyone know if i should stop having these 2 as i have muesli every day and now have it with rice milk?
My symptoms are tummy pains after pretty much every meal, excessive wind, bloated feeling and generally feeling rubbish.
Thanks for any help
does anyone know if i should stop having these 2 as i have muesli every day and now have it with rice milk?
Make an appointment to see a qualified nutritionist.
You are setting yourself up for all sorts of future problems - i.e. more food intolerances and nutritional deficiencies - if you just remove foods from your diet and don't find appropriate replacements. The nutritionist will also help you address the cause of your intolerances: digestive problems? stress? medication? lifestyle? nutritional deficiencies? parasites/gut dysbiosis? I'd be worried if you just bought an intolerance test and completed it without the guidance of the therapist.
Please seek qualified advice from someone who can properly assess your current health and make the right recommendations regarding your diet and lifestyle. None of us here know enough about these things to offer advice.
Ava x
I agree with Ava's advice!
I'd also add that the gut needs to be healed in order to stop this happening and this again needs a [url]nutritional therapist [/url]to sort out. He/she will do a full assessment of you as a whole person, not just deal with specific 'bits'.
Hope it gets sorted soon!
You may have the condition referred to as Celiac Disease, if you are intolerant of gliadin. This would mean that you would do well to avoid certain grains, such as wheat. The symptoms you describe are common symptoms of gluten intolerance. You can find the Celiac diet posted on the Internet--it tells you which grains to avoid.
Obviously, nuts are an issue for you. Nuts are hard to avoid because trace elements are present in many foods due to various sorts of foods being processed in facilities which have processed nuts. If you eat processed foods, you need to read labels to ascertain if trace residue of nuts may be present in the processed foods.
Soy is a common allergen. Many people are intolerant of soy. Again, reading labels is important. Soy is an additive in many processed foods. Many Asian foods contain soy sauce as an ingredient. (Soy sauce also contains wheat.)
If you are lactose intolerant (cow's milk), you may be able to handle the type of milk which has been altered to suit lactose intolerant people. In the US we have a brand called Lactaid. Bloating and stomach pain are also symptoms of lactose intolerance.
You can do elimination diets to see which foods most adversely affect you. A doctor suggested to me that I am allergic to the Deadly Nightshade plant family (tomatoes, potatoes, eggpland, peppers). He told me to cut those foods out of my diet for a week, then to reintroduce them one by one to see what happened. The elimanation diet showed me that I am extremely allergic to tomatoes, moderately allergic to potatoes and less allergic to eggplant and peppers. Now I avoid tomatoes all together. I indulge in eating potatoes 4-5 times a year. I find I can eat a small amount once in awhile without serious ill effect. I can eat peppers and eggplant once in awhile.
I don't know about the oatmeal. I've noticed that it sometimes gives me stomach pain, but I cannot figure out why. Sometimes I can eat it without problems, sometimes it bothers me.
Im sure I do have an intollerance to something but finding it very hard to pinpoint as it is generally not straight away i am getting the problems.
For the next 2 weeks I am going to try cut out cows milk as this was one of the foods that had a moderate reaction and then if no change I will try wheat and see how that goes.
I did have a celiac blood test done at my docs a few months back and that ws negative but my gp has been pretty useless throughout all of this and has just come to the conclusion of IBS.
Hi all,
I have just taken an intollerance test with CNS and it has bought up a moderate reaction to cows milk, potato, soya and a greater reaction to all sorts of nuts. It also showed up a little bit less of a moderate reaction to oats and gliadin. does anyone know if i should stop having these 2 as i have muesli every day and now have it with rice milk?
My symptoms are tummy pains after pretty much every meal, excessive wind, bloated feeling and generally feeling rubbish.
Thanks for any help
Hi, if you do have an intollerance to cows milk, then of course you will need as you are probably aware to avoid a lot of other products, yoghurts, etc. the only milk I have now is lactose free (lacto - its comes in semi skimmed etc in most of the UK supermarkets), as I have a lactose intolerance amongst other things. over the years i have tried soya milk, oat, rice, sheeps and goats, goats I did get on with but I found it didn't keep as long as the lactose free one.
Good luck with the cutting out - I recently found I have an intollerance to poatoes (what fun that was cutting them out...although generally doing ok, slip now and then as now and then I like nothing better than Huss (Rock) and chips!!...but when a recipe uses pots I switch to sweet pot (different family), very delicious and nutrious too
when you say intollerance, how does it make you feel exactly?
thanks
Also to those who mentioned seeing a nutritionist, i have been and have spent around £700 on consultations, tests and supplements and i dnt feel any different so i need another plan.
thanks
Also to those who mentioned seeing a nutritionist, i have been and have spent around £700 on consultations, tests and supplements and i dnt feel any different so i need another plan.
Unless you see a qualified nutritionist you'll be storing up more problems for the future, which will cost you more money - and a further decline in your health. I've seen it time and again. But it's your money, your future, and your health - so ultimately it's up to you what you choose to do. But my advice remains to see a qualified nutritionist and work with them to determine the cause of the problem - rather than take random tests, random supplements and random bits of advice from people who don't know your medical or treatment history.
Ava x
Also to those who mentioned seeing a nutritionist, i have been and have spent around £700 on consultations, tests and supplements and i dnt feel any different so i need another plan.
thanks
HI Mikey
I am most concerned that you have spent so much money with a nutritionist and not got any results :(. Tests, I know, can be expensive but it does depend on what tests, and how often you have seen your advisor. I would certainly have expected considerable improvement in my clients by now.
Have you looked at your initial assessment form and how you were at the first consultation and compared it with how you are now. Have you truly not improved? If this is the case then one must ask why. How qualified is this advisor and did you follow the advice scrupulously??? Has it been mentioned why you might have developed food intolerances, and has that been addressed? Is Candida involved? The questions could go on ...
You mention that the food intolerance test indicates several problem foods. I would definitely avoid them ALL rigorously, especially to start with and for a minimum of 6 weeks - if you slip up this negates all the avoidance you have done so far and you'd need to start again.
You need to take time to read all labels of food you eat. It also helps to take time going round the supermarket looking to see what you CAN eat and put it in your trolley - you'll be surprised at how quickly it fills up - you will have items you never thought of eating before, and this is an excellent opportunity to try new foods. You need to ask your advisor what they recommend is suitable to eat. There should be lists of suitable foods for you to follow.
You need to start by removing or eliminating allergens/intolerance-causing foods, toxins and harmful organisms - there are several herb-based supplements that help with these. Then replacing beneficial gut bacteria (probiotics) and enzymes if the lack of them is implicated. Gut healing is essential too - protecting the gut wall, reducing inflammation and introducing foods thats help restore gut health.
This is not a magic bullet because it has developed over a period of time and will take time to recover. If you are suffering from problems all over your body I'd be fairly sure this is due to intolerances. How these affect people is very much up to the individual's constitution. It is not a simple equation of if you eat a) you get symptom x. There is evidence that milk can cause problems in the respiratory system - mucus, asthma, inflammation and so on. Gluten intolerance can cause all sorts of symptoms from diarrhoea, aching muscles and joints, gut pain, rashes, chronic fatigue to schizophrenia - [url]see here[/url] and . I've known pepper cause explosive diarrhoea. We are all different.
The trouble with untreated gut problems like this is that they lead to more serious problems down the line - not a place you'd want to be, so it is vital to get this sorted.
If you want to find out more about this may I suggest you read a book by [url]Elizabeth Lipski - Digestive Wellness.[/url] I found it a revelation and explains the whole process extremely well. There is also Patrick Holford's book on the same page of Amazon.
It was the ancient Greeks who acknowledged that most illness begins in the gut - I'm finding this to be so true!
Hi Ava,
As my last post said, I am seeing a qualified nutritionist and she is the one who has asked me to do a stool test and a food intollerance test and has told me to take all these different supplements to no effect.
I am currently avoiding milk and dairy and also soya and potatoes. Even so these foods only showed a moderate reaction on the test and it was recommended i only have these foods every 3-4 days, not reactive enough to warrant complate removal.
I can honestly say I have seen no improvement atall in my symptoms so the amount I am spending is not worth it.
Thanks
Mike
The nutritionist was wrong to tell you that you can eat those foods every few days. A little bit every few months is more like it. Have you been checked for candida (yeast) problem?
As the results are on a reaction scale, cows milk, soya and potatoes were all on the moderate reaction which the company recommends eating only every 3-4 days. the foods that I was most reactive to are nuts and kidney beans.
Yes i had a stool test done which was negative for and then a mouth swab done which should some as i have had recurring thrush on my tongue. my intial thought was candida because of long term antibiotic use before all this started but the stool test says otherwise.
Mike
Hi Ava,
As my last post said, I am seeing a qualified nutritionist and she is the one who has asked me to do a stool test and a food intollerance test and has told me to take all these different supplements to no effect.
I am currently avoiding milk and dairy and also soya and potatoes. Even so these foods only showed a moderate reaction on the test and it was recommended i only have these foods every 3-4 days, not reactive enough to warrant complate removal.
I can honestly say I have seen no improvement atall in my symptoms so the amount I am spending is not worth it.
Thanks
Mike
I hate to be pedantic but is the nutritionist registered with ? There is a world of difference between a nutritionist* and a Nutritional Therapist**(see below). How long qualified? Have you been back to her to explain that you feel there is no change and to ask why? If I had a client in this position I would want to know and see what it was that was ineffective. How many times have you had a consultation?
The test you have done only covers 50 foods so it could well be another food not tested that is causing the problem. You might also note potato is a member of the nightshade family and usually if one comes up it is worth avoiding the others - tomatoes, peppers, chillies, aubergine. It could also be a food additive, eg MSG or azo dyes that you are reacting to. Life is complicated and sometimes answers are not handed to you on a plate.
How long have you been on the supplements? - some take 3 months to make a difference. It is not a quick-fix situation - it took years to develop and will take time to heal. I would expect to see some healing after about 2 months, often sooner, sometimes it takes a bit longer.
I still suggest you read Digestive Wellness as mentioned yesterday. At least you will understand what's going on - the difference between allergy and intolerance, about Leaky Gut Syndrome, parasites, and so on. You need to get involved and not expect someone to wave a magic wand and make you better.
* From Nutrition Society: A nutritionist demonstrates "‘a genuine interest in the science of human or animal nutrition’ and support the Society’s aim, ‘to advance the scientific study of nutrition and its application to the maintenance of human and animal health'." ie a member can be a public health or an agricultural nutritionist.
** from Nutritional Therapy Council:
"Nutritional Therapists assess nutritional status and functional capacity. They recognise that each person's needs are unique, depending on a number of factors, from inherited strengths and weaknesses to the influence of diet, lifestyle and environment. Nutritional therapists work with patients with chronic health problems and provide advice on disease prevention and control.
"The nutritional therapist will take a comprehensive patient history and may use biochemical and other types of clinical assessment to formulate a treatment plan. In addition to dietary and nutritional advice, recommendations may include guidance on natural detoxification, methods to support digestion and absorption, procedures to promote colon health, and also the avoidance of ingestion or inhalation of allergens or toxins.
"Taking a whole systems approach, these protocols can impact on hormonal, neurological and immune function".
Hi Caroline,
Yes she is registered with BANT and has been qualified for 10 years now.
The test I did covered 120 foods so it is pretty thorough.
I have been taking the supplements for around 3 months and have seen her 3 times.