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I am just wondering if anyone has had any success with these.

My stomach has never fully settled since a bout of H pylori and now after eliminating foods, I have worked out that my stomach no longer likes lactose or gluten.

I would appreciate any thoughts or knowledge on this.

Thanks. 🙂


 
Posted : 12/04/2010 6:55 pm
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Thyme is the herb that deals with H pilori. strong thyme infusions (horrible to drink!)

your intestines do not tolerate dairy nor gluten...sounds like candida, parasites or simply dairy and gluten intolerance. remove them completely, especially wheat. avoid sugars, yeast and vinegar.

try taking strong probiotics in the morning 1/2 hour before breakfast.

try goat milk yogurts and cheese, you should tolerate this.

there is yew' s milk yogurt too, but goat is best (light on nthe liver and easy to digest through the guts).


 
Posted : 12/04/2010 9:39 pm
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I am just wondering if anyone has had any success with these.

It depends on what you mean by 'success'? I take digestive enzymes (2 capsules directly before each meal). They make my stomach feel more comfortable, and I don't fart after eating brussel sprouts (!!). However they don't make any difference to the abdominal bloating problem that I have. So, yes, I've had success if you wish to eat brussel sprouts in my company! But, no, if you want my stomach to be the same size at the end of the day as it was at the start of the day.

My stomach has never fully settled since a bout of H pylori and now after eliminating foods, I have worked out that my stomach no longer likes lactose or gluten.

Mastic gum should do the trick. It's been used successfully to treat stomach ulcers. It's quite expensive - but with all these things there is little point taking it if you aren't going to take the recommended dosage, and for at least 3 months. Otherwise you are wasting your time and money.

http://www.cababstractsplus.org/abstracts/Abstract.aspx?AcNo=19990301047

You can buy it from Holland and Barrett. But because it is expensive it's worth doing a web search and trying to find a cheaper deal, if you can.

Ava x


 
Posted : 12/04/2010 11:19 pm
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Louisa

I'm a fan of enzymes, but you do have to be careful. Some people might need to get a protease free formula, (protease being the enzyme for digesting protein). If there is any underlying stomach ulceration, then the protease in some digestive enzyme formulas can irritate it. The enzymes these people would probably need to take would be a formula for digesting carbs and fats, and helping with any lactose and gluten problem, possibly containing soothing herbs, and the person would need to eat easily digested protein (or take a supplement) until the stomach lining is healed.

Any enzyme supplement should be free from inflammatory fillers and anything that might go on to feed the "bad bacteria," and probiotics are commonly advised to be taken at the same time. Good enzyme supplements are expensive, and it may be worth getting professional advice to make sure you are getting best value for money for your investment.

Rustic 🙂


 
Posted : 13/04/2010 8:46 am
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Hi Louisa,

As you have identified that you are now sensitive to lactose and gluten, for digestive enzymes to have any effect, they would need to contain the enzyme lactase and protein-digesting enzymes (as gluten is a protein).

While this will symptomatically help you to eat foods containing lactose and gluten, it might be better to take a more holistic approach to working out why your stomach is still sensitive (maybe by seeking advice from a nutritionist or herbalist) or just avoid lactose and gluten for a while to give yourself longer to recover (as time might be all it needs). Slippery elm powder is often used to help digestive membranes heal and I have found it very effective.

Good luck!


 
Posted : 13/04/2010 10:02 am
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Hi Louisa
I can answer this both personally and professionally. I have Coeliac's disease so can't go near gluten. Before I was diagnosed I had a lot of issues such as bloating, pain, generally couldn't eat anything easily! I first of all took L-Glutamine, to help heal the digestive tract, this worked wonderfully. I then (along with dietary changes) began taking an enzyme complex, which I find realyl helpful. Inititally I took one with every meal, now I just take 1 if I feel I need it.

Not all enzyme formulas are created equal. In our practice we stock a number of different companies and find that different people do well on different enzyme formulas. My personal favourite is Nutrivital Enzyme Complex (hope it's ok to mention brands? Apologies if not) This is a very good all round formula, is plant based and hypoallergenic. Nutrivital also make mastic beads which are not as expensive. They are a practitioner only company - good quality, hypoallergenic but inexpensive. Ifyou wanted to try their products we stock them - PM me for details.

If you think it is just gluten and lactose that are the problems then a) make appropriate dietary changes as you have done and b) look at the underlying reason why - if it is because of the h.pylori look at something like glutamine to heal the gut first. Biocare and Lamberts both do some enzyme specific formulas - Biocare has Lactase that you put in milk to predigest it for you, and they also do a gluten specific enzyme supplement. Lamberts also do a Lactose supplement. Higher Nature also do Supergest which combines enzymes with herbs - my patients do well on this too.

So, in short, I have found enzymes very helpful both in practice and for myself, however there are a number of different formulas out there so it's best to speak to someone about what is best for your needs.

Hope this helps. And again, apologies if I shouldn't mention specific brands, not sure what the rules are.

Good Luck!
Callie


 
Posted : 13/04/2010 12:08 pm
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Thank you all for your great advice, diary has pretty much been my staple diet along with fruit and veg.

It will probably be trail and error but I will try a few things and see how I get on.


 
Posted : 13/04/2010 3:52 pm
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do you mean "dairy"?

try cutting it out....it creates fungi in the long run and acidity in the short term.

Do you have stomach ulcers? if so, raw cabbage juice is good, the only thing that will actually rebuild membranes in the case of stomach and duodenal ulcers.


 
Posted : 13/04/2010 4:06 pm
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do you mean "dairy"?

:D:D Of course :D:D I meant to correct my error but then forgot to do it!

I don't believe I have ulcers but the consultant who diagnosed my H pylori strongly suspected a hiatus hernia but it has never been proven 100%.

In my experience of late GP's have been a waste of space, so there is no point pursuing it through the NHS.


 
Posted : 13/04/2010 5:14 pm
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In my experience of late GP's have been a waste of space, so there is no point pursuing it through the NHS.

I agree 🙂


 
Posted : 13/04/2010 10:30 pm
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