Conspiracy to incite racial hatred is one charge that springs to mind.
Ok, fair enough, but prepare for a back lash as more and more indigenous Brits get fed up with the PC non sense.
Most indigenous Brits have the "Im not racist, but..." syndrome. So keep pushing and wearing them down and it'll end in disaster especially when the the Country is broke. People will only take so much.
The term arrestable offence was abolished in 2007 and was replaced by a number of conditions.
Myarka
Well if you want to be pedantic yes 😉 , I think we're just referring to offences you could be arrested for. If you want to call them incident disposal methods instead, that's fine.
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The problem is when bigotry hides behind 'freedom of speech'.
I am a firm believer in Freedom of Speech, however, when it turns into hatred, and creates bigotry, then I think we need to look at what is being said.
The woman in the video wasnt using her Freedom of Speech, she was venting her hatred at everyone she deemed 'non English'. That poor child of hers will no doubt grow up to be a bigot, and so it goes on.
.... indigenous Brits
What is an indigenous Brit?
Are we going to have carry a certificate of pedigree?
Myarka.
The problem is when bigotry hides behind 'freedom of speech'.
I am a firm believer in Freedom of Speech, however, when it turns into hatred, and creates bigotry, then I think we need to look at what is being said.
The woman in the video wasnt using her Freedom of Speech, she was venting her hatred at everyone she deemed 'non English'. That poor child of hers will no doubt grow up to be a bigot, and so it goes on.
Absolutely, it's the context and manner in which something is said.
Saying a black person is black is perfectly ok if you are simply identifying their ethnicity, but if you're using it to imply that an 'issue' is caused because of their being 'black' then you get into the realms of racism, such as perhaps saying you were mugged by a black person when in reality the issue was that you were mugged, regardless of what ethnicity the person was.
Unfortunately, the official line is that something is considered racist if a person perceives it as being such, but that's too wooly and hence why we get all this political correctness and banning of words that can really be used with honest intent and are not wrong in honest contexts, just as we are doing by having this discussion, we're not in any way attempting to be offensive to black people, but merely discussing political correctness and freedom of speech using such terms to illustrate the nature of what we are talking about.
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I've witnessed true racism against one of my best friends who is Indian, it's not nice...however, I think most people, including some ethnic minorities themselves can see things are getting out of hand. Things have gone too far now. What the woman said was wrong and she sounds really thick, but maybe this wouldn't have happened if things hadn't of got so ridiculous in this Country in the first place. She was like a pressure cooking going off!
I think this dame is totally off her face.
When she has viewed this (probably had no idea this was being filmed) I would hope she is mortified.
It is, imo is one of the worst cases of rasicm I have seen for a while. I fear for that poor child.
What is freedom of speech? I think we have to have some parameters on what is acceptable and what is not....but in that respect it depends who you are speaking to.
White supremists would probably laugh at this whilst race relation experts would baulk.
Nasty woman nontheless.
Patchouli
she sounds really thick,
Are you using your freedom of speech to categorise her because she is not educated to your perceived standard, I find that to be judgemental and discriminatory
BGFL
Are you using your freedom of speech to categorise her because she is not educated to your perceived standard, I find that to be judgemental and discriminatory
BGFL
I don't care whether you find it discriminatory or not.
So, if I am to support freedom of speech, wether I find such speakings offensive, does freedom of speech mean that you can shout "FIRE" in a crowded cinema when there is no fire? If not why not? 😉 Oh would that be because it would be a lie, or incitement to chaos? 😉
So, if I am to support freedom of speech, wether I find such speakings offensive, does freedom of speech mean that you can shout "FIRE" in a crowded cinema when there is no fire? If not why not? 😉 Oh would that be because it would be a lie, or incitement to chaos? 😉
😮 This is getting interesting.
Well, one could only shout FIRE if there were indeed a fire! if people were shouting fire in the cinema and there wasn't a fire then yes, that would be incitement to chaos because it simply wasn't TRUE, it' about the truth isn't it.
Re. the woman in the tram video, although what she said was unpleasant the fact remains that it was actually true. ie. Yes, everyone on the tram apart from two other white people were either Black or Asian.
The fact remains she has been arrested for stating fact, this is worrying for freedom of speech. We need to look at the bigger picture, not the emotive and obvious one.
😮 This is getting interesting.
Well, one could only shout FIRE if there were indeed a fire! if people were shouting fire in the cinema and there wasn't a fire then yes, that would be incitement to chaos because it simply wasn't TRUE, it' about the truth isn't it.
Re. the woman in the tram video, although what she said was unpleasant the fact remains that it was actually true. ie. Yes, everyone on the tram apart from two other white people were either Black or Asian.
The fact remains she has been arrested for stating fact, this is worrying for freedom of speech. We need to look at the bigger picture, not the emotive and obvious one.
If she was having a quiet conversation with the person next to her about the races of the tram users then that probably wouldn't be offensive. But it was the way she said it, aggressive, and unprovoked, that is what I personally find offensive. And they weren't just brown they were "" F****** brown". I don't know where she has been all these years coz when I was living in SE London in 1989 that was racially diverse back then. Never felt the need to comment. 😉
If she was having a quiet conversation with the person next to her about the races of the tram users then that probably wouldn't be offensive. But it was the way she said it, aggressive, and unprovoked, that is what I personally find offensive. And they weren't just brown they were "" F****** brown". I don't know where she has been all these years coz when I was living in SE London in 1989 that was racially diverse back then. Never felt the need to comment. 😉
I agree, and she was not arrested for, as Abacus claims, 'stating facts', it was, IMO not freedom of speech, but racially motivated hatred.
I agree, and she was not arrested for, as Abacus claims, 'stating facts', it was, IMO not freedom of speech, but racially motivated hatred.
I'm not talking about 'what' was being said- I think we can call agree it was nasty, Im talking about her right to say it. This is just the beginning, censoring what people are thinking is dangerous and repressive. There's already a massive back lash online due to the fact she was arrested and held in Police custody for so long.
It is not censoring what she is thinking it is the fact that she voiced it out loud that is the issue I would think.
Nobody can repress your thoughts (unless they are using heavy duty medication or aversion therapy methods).
Patchouli