The EU has voted to make it so for EU countries. That doesn't include the rest of the world. It won't include us soon.
Barry Saxifrage is a well known (to those of us who follow such things) and well respected researcher and writer. He and his wife (also a writer) live in Canada. They run a website - http://www.saxifrages.org/eco/ Visual Carbon - which documents and explains climate change issues. Of course, it's probably easier not to believe anything he writes.
Weather? That's because only the Met Office employs meterologists, and The Guardian is the only paper/website that subscribes to the Met Office. The rest hang seaweed up!
I'm not 'making plans'. But ignoring what's happening? Why would I do that?
I don't think the BBC use the Met Office weather predictions since they differ quite often.
I am not ignoring what's happening by doubting future predictions (that's where we differ) particularly if they spring from just one voice/source.
I don't think the BBC use the Met Office weather predictions since they differ quite often.
I am not ignoring what's happening by doubting future predictions (that's where we differ) particularly if they spring from just one voice/source.
No, the BBC stopped using the Met Office a few years ago.
The same 'predictions' (I put it in inverted commas because mostly it's information. The predictions are science based.) are coming from many sources. And there aren't actually predictions in this article, just facts.
No, the BBC stopped using the Met Office a few years ago.
The same 'predictions' (I put it in inverted commas because mostly it's information. The predictions are science based.) are coming from many sources. And there aren't actually predictions in this article, just facts.
Since when can future predictions become facts? The current situation is factual....beyond that is conjecture.
Interesting that science isn't even accurate enough yet to predict tomorrow's weather .... ha!
Since when can future predictions become facts? The current situation is factual....beyond that is conjecture.
Interesting that science isn't even accurate enough yet to predict tomorrow's weather .... ha!
Weather prediction is fairly accurate (if you use the Met Office!) up to about 4 days. They've always said that it's probability.
Climate is not weather, of course. It doesn't help to confuse the two.
The article I posted was facts about the current situation. I, personally, think these facts add up to disaster. You think that they don't. Your prediction that World Leaders won't let anything happen is still a prediction. Your belief that we are not heading to disaster is still a prediction.
Weather prediction is fairly accurate (if you use the Met Office!) up to about 4 days. They've always said that it's probability.
Climate is not weather, of course. It doesn't help to confuse the two.The article I posted was facts about the current situation. I, personally, think these facts add up to disaster. You think that they don't. Your prediction that World Leaders won't let anything happen is still a prediction. Your belief that we are not heading to disaster is still a prediction.
The link in your OP was mostly based on facts...until it strayed into 2030 (Carbon dioxide in atmosphere) i.e. making a guess based on the current rise.
My belief is just a belief...I am not sticking my neck out to say 'this is how it will be' i.e. making a prediction. It's futile to me.
That's not a prediction, it's showing where we'll be in 2030 if emissions continue as they are doing. And shows the increase from the 1960s. That's no more a prediction than saying, "If you go along this road you'll reach Cardiff".
That's not a prediction, it's showing where we'll be in 2030 if emissions continue as they are doing. And shows the increase from the 1960s. That's no more a prediction than saying, "If you go along this road you'll reach Cardiff".
Yes it's making a prediction (forecast) based on the current trend which presupposes nothing changes.
"If you go along this road, the road leads to Cardiff but you have freewill as to whether you go where it leads to...i.e. you may decide to change route sometime along the way."
Yes it's making a prediction (forecast) based on the current trend which presupposes nothing changes.
"If you go along this road, the road leads to Cardiff but you have freewill as to whether you go where it leads to...i.e. you may decide to change route sometime along the way."
Absolutely. But if you're already with the city boundary, you aren't going to get to Abertawe without at least a bit of Cardiff.
If you look at the graph that you are claiming is a 'prediction', you will see that all it is doing is saying 'If ..., then ...' That's not prediction. Within the graph is the information that human activity has already altered the outcome.
(I'm making the assumption that you can read graphs. I know that isn't so for everyone but you seem pretty clued up. I'm sorry if my assumption is wrong.)
Absolutely. But if you're already with the city boundary, you aren't going to get to Abertawe without at least a bit of Cardiff.
If you look at the graph that you are claiming is a 'prediction', you will see that all it is doing is saying 'If ..., then ...' That's not prediction. Within the graph is the information that human activity has already altered the outcome.
(I'm making the assumption that you can read graphs. I know that isn't so for everyone but you seem pretty clued up. I'm sorry if my assumption is wrong.)
Who can foresee what can happen on that Scottish road! Life is not always so predictable and straight forward....think of the best laid plans and all that we have to juggle that stops us going straight from A to B in life!
Whilst I understand the concept "If...then...", it seems abundantly clear that there are no maybes with yourself, i.e. that you are totally convinced that we are inevitably destined for doom and the breakdown of society. I am just trying to highlight how that destiny is much less clear cut e.g. who knows what we will uncover with new technology that will change how we produce and use energy (hopefully better than biofuels). I will unwatch this thread now - it's becoming exhausting again.
Scottish?!
Scottish?!
Ha...you see how exhausted I was! Can't think straight. I have decided not to interact with future threads of yours that depict a doom and gloom future scenario. I doubt that you enjoy such interactions either. It is quite telling that no one else here seems to be interested in these future environmental predictions either - maybe facebook is a better medium for such discussions (since you have got sufficient feedback there). No hard feelings - we are poles apart on this issue.
Amy, I've been reading this thread from time to time, but it was too too negative for me. I only expect the best and am always filled with hope as, through prayer, I have time and again seen things that appear to be hopeless - whether physical, mental, emotional, supply, employment, weather, etc, just dissolve, so I definitely don't go along with doom and gloom and didn't want to take it on with this thread. There are enough fundamentalist religious people who go on about the end of the world - believe me! :rolleyes:
As the saying goes, "Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday".
I popped in here today to see if anyone's pleased about the announcement that fossil fuel cars will be phased out in only 23 years. It's a very brave decision - don't suppose the oil companies will be happy - but instead of welcoming it, groups like Greenpeace are complaining that it's too little, too late. For goodness sake - give us a break! 😡
Love and peace,
Judy
I do wonder though how all the electricity is going to be generated to charge all these new battery cars. Electricity doesn't generate itself. I also wonder what is going to be done with the old batteries once they fail. There is such an outcry over the disposal of ordinary domestic batteries. .
I do wonder though how all the electricity is going to be generated to charge all these new battery cars. Electricity doesn't generate itself. I also wonder what is going to be done with the old batteries once they fail. There is such an outcry over the disposal of ordinary domestic batteries. .
So what we gain re. oil consumption we lose out with electricity i.e. have to somehow boost our current capacity! Swings and roundabouts spring to mind.
There doesn't seem to be joined up thinking at this stage with this new announcement. Even Sadiq Khan - who wants diesel cars scrapped NOW - has said it is half hearted re. properly introducing the diesel scrappage scheme. 2040 is a LONG way off and the air pollution in London frequently exceeds legal safety levels. Lest there is any doubt, the statistic is that nearly 9,500 deaths annually due to air pollution in London. Truly shocking!