Oh YES! haha! She reminds me of the Gina Ford method, it's all about having a baby for show I think? Getting back to a life before baby arrived! No sleepless nights haha! Yeah ok. Therefore you do ANYTHING to get little muffin to sleep even if that means, no huggies, no kisses, no interaction WHATSOEVER!...sticking them in the garden for 3 hours on their own???:rolleyes: Oh that did make me laugh...does make you wonder why you would want a baby in the first place! What about bonding? Human nature? Love? :confused:

Then there is tribal woman haha! All well and good if you work on the land and cannot keep checking on little one but as we DO live in a different society...perhaps a little modification to suit lifestyle???:)

Think Dr Spock method was a bit better but how about a little balance? Little bit of routine mixed in with lots of love & affection and to also take into account that every baby is different so one set method doesn't work on all...call me crazy, but me thinks that is logical???

I know some moms that have done the Gina Ford or King method and ended up with a really unadaptable baby which meant it was sooooooo difficult to take them on weekends away or on holiday. Totally ridiculous AND to boot both ladies that advocate this ridiculous method don't have kids....go figure!

I wait with baited breath as to the outcome hahahahaha :rollaugh:

Thanks for reminding me calla lily!

Love
Leah :043:

You're welcome Butterfly, i've heard of Gina Ford but never knew what she was like- another battleaxe by the sounds of it!

I agree, one set method on its own isn't THE one or 'one size fits all'.With my three children , looking back i inadvertendly used elements of Truby King and Dr. Spock, but not to the extremes as shown on this programme and with moderate success.

I, too await with bated breath as i'm itching for someone to tell the 'King' woman where she can stick her regime in no uncertain terms!

I have found its best to let the baby lead... to a certain extent.. baby knows best!

I do the continuum concept thing and you certainly don't have to be a hippy commune type to do it! In fact it makes life so much easier in this day and age when you are rushing about doing school runs and all that.
In fact the literacy trust even advise parents to use slings to help with learning to talk. Apparently they are concerned with the amount of time children spend in buggies facing away from Mum they don't get to chat and observe social interactions as much.

As for that Claire Verity truby king woman....well I have never ever been so angry at the TV in my life. NSPCC, OFCOM..and anyone else I can think of have been contacted by many people already. She is advocating neglect that can lead to serious mental health issues. I'm not exaggerating. If you look into the research inspired by the brain damage found in Romanian Orphans that were deprived cuddles you'll see just how important a responsive parent is!
There is a petition on the 10 Downing Street website, search for "parentingshows".

I'm so glad you have said that! I was appalled at the trailers for this show and said to my daughter that I was concerned at the mental welfare of the babies on the harsher regime just to be an experiment for a tv programme. I haven't watched it on principle.

Love and light

reikiangel

xxx

While i can understand to a degree why Claire advocates 'no physical contact' in terms of baby only settling if held , ( i had two who would only settle if i held them, where a legacy of this is 14 years on, i STILL eat just using a fork!) she was extremely unfeeling and barbaric.

I was flabbergasted when she said that babies can be spoilt, :confused: and what if baby soils their nappy/ is sick etc during the time between feeds where mum musn't have anything to do with them? It will interesting to see if the couples who chose this method stick to it.

Warmest wishes- calla lily x

Hi,

I did see the trailer but didn't watch the programme. When my kids were babies I worked shifts so was around during the day quite a lot.

My Wife has never worked full time so we both spent a lot of time around the kids. We always included them in what we were doing whether it was visiting family, gardening, shopping, going to the park etc.

We spent a lot of time talking to and playing with our kids and made sure we did things as a family.

The woman on the C4 programme did come over a little harsh and I'm sure would have criticized my Wife and I as parents for the time we spent on our two.

I can appreciate what she said about babies being spoiled but I think you have to use common sense. I guess we were lucky that we could put ours to bed and they would stay there without crying. They had a routine but it included a lot of contact with us as their parents.

Like it or not, when you have kids your life does revolve around them. The trick is not to let the kids know that so that it becomes a problem.

Like it or not, when you have kids your life does revolve around them. The trick is not to let the kids know that so that it becomes a problem.

Ahem to that Dunkirk, wise words indeed.

Warmest wishes- calla lily x

I saw this programme and was also horrified by the woman who advocated the Truby King method. But yesterday I had a flick through someone else's News of the World (oh what a scandal sheet!) and had such a laugh when I read that she had once been employed as a nanny by Mick Jagger and Jerry Hall and was boasting about Mick giving her one (sorry that's so crude) in the kitchen just hours into her employment, while Jerry and the baby were in the next room. So after that expose she expects to be taken seriously in the matter of babycare?

Love
Sunanda xxx

Here's the link:

didnt watch it as was watching on the other side but from what i have seen from trailer was not to my liking so didnt want to know, babies cry for a reason, need to be cuddled otherwise why have them?!!i think it lessens the bond what she does.

also if she did get on with Mick that means she has no respect for herself as a nanny!

love and light,
Amethystfairy:)

I watched it, I was a horrified that she put the baby in the garden and shut the door, you might have been able to do that in the 1950s but not now. Also the 20 mins of cuddles a day was shocking.
I can't see how anyone could charge £1000 / day - we're obviously all in the wrong business!

On the other end of the spectrum, the nanny who made the parents hold the baby all day, well i can't help thinking this is going to make the baby clingy.

Oh yeah - Mick Jagger - that's one 'conquest' i woudln't want to publicise - am i the only woman who thinks he's ugly!???

Katharine x

I watched it, I was a horrified that she put the baby in the garden and shut the door, you might have been able to do that in the 1950s but not now. Also the 20 mins of cuddles a day was shocking.
I can't see how anyone could charge £1000 / day - we're obviously all in the wrong business!

On the other end of the spectrum, the nanny who made the parents hold the baby all day, well i can't help thinking this is going to make the baby clingy.

Oh yeah - Mick Jagger - that's one 'conquest' i woudln't want to publicise - am i the only woman who thinks he's ugly!???

Katharine x

no you are not !! he is ugly!!:eek:

amethystfairy:)

I prefer a mix of the 60's and 70's methods for raising my kids. I enjoy breastfeeding, co-sleeping etc.... I could never put a baby in a room and shut the door if it was crying... that is heartless!

My mother always put me and my siblings outside our closed front door while she got on with the housework. When my brother was a baby in 1965 she found a dead bee next to him and an angry red blotch on his forehead where he'd obviously been stung. I remember my mother saying she had heard him crying but left him to settle himself back to sleep.

In my opinion you can't hold a baby too much.

Oh Cathy, that brought tears to my eyes....

I didn't watch the programme and listening to those of you who did I am really glad I didn't ... I think I may have been ranting at the tv!!

Gina Ford ... hmmmmmmmmmm ... now there's a woman who needs well, actually maybe I shouldn't write what I want to say as Mumsnet have been in a big court battle with her because of things people have said on their forum/on the site in general (i think) i.e. not very complementary things :p

Needless to say, I have absolutely no idea why anyone would want to be so regimented with their baby. I'm all for routine but that is ridiculous ... I mean what if at 7.03am when you are supposed to be putting baby back to bed (or whatever it is the routine demands you do), you need the toilet????

OK, I know it works for some people but I'm sure it can't be good for the child's spirit, can it?

Sorry, bit :offtopic: will climb back off my :soapbox: now!!

I didn't watch this program,I couldn't, I hate to hear babies cry:(
Those methods border on cruelty, how can anyone ignore a crying baby?
They cry for a reason, and if that reason is just that they want a cuddle and to be made to feel safe, thats not being naughty or spoiled, it's being a baby, small helpless and insecure.It's selfishness that make these women want to make the babies conform. You can't spoil a child with love and cuddles, so what if the washing up gets left, the hoovering is not done, so what if a child gets a bit clingy, every minute of love given to a baby will be repaid tenfold in later life.

I was left to cry as a baby and apparantly put outside the front door in a silver cross regularly. My mum told me that the foreman of the factory opposite our house had complained to her that my crying was disturbing his workers!!!
Can you believe it?
She said I was always crying........maybe all I wanted was a little cuddle and kiss.

Gina Ford ... hmmmmmmmmmm ... now there's a woman who needs well, actually maybe I shouldn't write what I want to say as Mumsnet have been in a big court battle with her because of things people have said on their forum/on the site in general (i think) i.e. not very complementary things :p

I've had my say about that woman on TV and she's not come after me yet! But then everything I've said can be backed up with science!
Claire Verity moans about being called cruel and a child abuser, but I don't see her going to court over it. Perhaps she knows she's lose, otherwise you wouldn't stand for being called that if you weren't would you?

Parenting fashions change depending what people want from the next generation, conforming, unquestioning people needed to fight for the country no matter what is one explanation for parenting techniques that produce people with a broken spirit who feel nobody will listen to them so what is the point in speaking out (learned helplessness)!

I don't think I can post links but if you google "Sebastian Kraemer Resilience" there's an interesting paper on this kind of thing.

Needless to say, I have absolutely no idea why anyone would want to be so regimented with their baby. I'm all for routine but that is ridiculous ... I mean what if at 7.03am when you are supposed to be putting baby back to bed (or whatever it is the routine demands you do), you need the toilet????

Exactly! IMHO strictly regimented routines lead to the parents lives being ruled by the routine of their baby. Ie. what if you are on a long motorway journey and you are unable to stop in time for the 'scheduled' feed. Also, what's all this about not allowing friends or relatives to visit your baby in the first weeks. I was in hospital with a premature, jaundiced baby after having had a caesarian and I was mighty glad of any visitors to help me and give me a chance to rest between feeds. Also, where does breastfeeding a premature baby fit into this woman's regime? And, don't get me started on eye contact, some of the most precious moments, were when my baby looked up at me whilst he was feeding... priceless.

I've had my say about that woman on TV and she's not come after me yet! But then everything I've said can be backed up with science!

well done moogyboobles !!!!

Also, what's all this about not allowing friends or relatives to visit your baby in the first weeks. I was in hospital with a premature, jaundiced baby after having had a caesarian and I was mighty glad of any visitors to help me and give me a chance to rest between feeds.

my sister had a baby girl in june, who was jaundiced & the hospital were really annoyingly strict about visitors!
i drove 4 hours with my little 2 1/2 year old to see them only to be told that my little girl would not be allowed in ... as you can imagine i wasn't best pleased!
in the end we went in (she was in her own room) but that was probably due to the fact that my sister is a nurse in the same hospital (different department) and knew one of the midwives on duty!
it's crazy...i mean i understand the infection thing but sometimes they take it too far.