RE: Is there no-one brave enough?
On a personal level I don't believe that we are the end product of anything. I think that Jung's perceptions, at that time, were subconsciously coloured by his time spent working for the Nazi party - if I recall (and it's 20/25 years since I've done anything like this!)he did leave that to work for the allies, but (and bear with me 'cos I'm not absolutely positive about this)his views on race caused some raised eyebrows.
With this in mind (and I'd have to check it out) would he have held the views that the Aryan "race" had evolved to its peak?
I know that later in life Jung came to believe that the DEEPEST levels of unconscious have no restrictions of time, space or causality. Your reference to the layers of dreams actually jogged this from the recesses of my memory (the old undusted filing cabinet right at the back!)Is it not then that a symbol (in a dream perhaps) may be symbolic of another symbol (key) that lays in a deeper layer of our subconscious mind and so on?
I don't think Jung had the whole answer, I don't think anyone does or ever had.
Love
Glen
RE: Is there no-one brave enough?
Absolutely not Glenys, you are very right here, Jung and anyone else do not have the whole answers, and I'll come back to this later if I may;) love Gxxx
RE: Is there no-one brave enough?
Dear garthur
Let us not confuse human symbols with divine symbols. However all is still sacred when we view through the eyes of God. For beauty truly is in the eye of the beholder. As far as the cross is concerend we can go back to the sacred golden ankh, I understand that the top was lopped off due to it relating to the divine feminine and the cosmic womb of creation.
Love beyond measure
Kim xx
RE: Is there no-one brave enough?
Presumably by the Christian church?
I would debate that, as we are not God, but only carry a part of the Divine within ourselves, we cannot presume to "look through the eyes of God" . There is only one Divine Being (regardless of name). I stand by my point that symbols are just that. They lead to deeper understanding, and can help on our journeys of spiritual self-actualization/realisation by acting as keys to the different levels of our unconsciousness. I cannot see a symbol as sacred in the divine sense.
Life, in all its myriad forms, is sacred to me.
I think we'll just have to agree that, sometimes, we have our differing perceptions of reality and illusion.
Love
Glenys
RE: Is there no-one brave enough?
Dear garthur
ORIGINAL: garthur Presumably by the Christian church? [/quote
Maybe earlier.
I would debate that, as we are not God, but only carry a part of the Divine within ourselves, we cannot presume to "look through the eyes of God" .
As the bible states we can all become a Christ and the more Christ we become through cleansing the lens of perception and healing the self through self mastery the more perfection we view, e.g. beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder. Our vision becomes clear with clarity and we do indeed to see through God's eyes. However, I can appreciate that this can be hard for others to appreciate especially if they view God as separate from the self.
I cannot see a symbol as sacred in the divine sense. Life, in all its myriad forms, is sacred to me.
Is this not a contradiction? What is different from the divine and life when all life is divine? God is light and love is the way to live life forevermore.
I think we'll just have to agree that, sometimes, we have our differing perceptions of reality and illusion.
I totally agree, hence why walking between the worlds is not an easy state of being until one has fully integrated it.
Love beyond measure
Kim xx