RE: Is there no-one brave enough?
Dear Kim,
Gillyann you appear to have missed the point of the post about the translations but never mind. When Jesus was on earth he also had negative thinking hence why he called the priests hypocrites and blind masters because they lived in the illusion of the law of sin that promoted evil.
Not missed the point so much as seen them from my personal angle;)
And, Jesus was not, IMO, thinking negatively at all, He simply stated the truth as He saw it, logically and rationally, without trying to pretend that the priests were anything else, or, acting as anything else other than hypocrytes and blind masters.
Love Gxxx
RE: Is there no-one brave enough?
Dear Gillyann
Well as Paul states in the bible Jesus was crucified for his weakness and this was his negative communication.
We can all learn from this, I know that I have had the humility to learn from Jesus and his good and less than good ways.
Hence why Jesus called himself a worm, he knew himself what he had said was not appropriate if one is loving beyond measure.
Wish I had more time to respond to you Nancy and Steve but I have company, so must fly!
Love beyond measure
Kim xx
RE: Is there no-one brave enough?
ORIGINAL: gillyann
Dear Kim,
Dear Nancy and Steve
If we do not question, then all manner of evil is accepted.
Is this not a contradiction? In one breath you say we are perfect, in the next breath there is evil.
When you are one with GOD there is nothing more to question.
Could Nancy and Steve have meant that although we are indeed perfect in the eyes of God, we are also given free will to choose whether we live our lives in the Light or in the darkness? In which case there is certainly evil, as surely as there is good. The choice is ours.
Love Gxxx
Not at all a contradiction, Kim. And, yes, Gilly thats a good approximation of what we meant.
Note we did not say that we are evil; merely that it exists. We can use it or we can refuse it. I can pick up a broom but I do not become that broom, simply one who uses a broom to accomplish a purpose. I can use it to clean the floor or can use it to bash the dog. I do not change in either case, but my view of life could be changed considerably.
In the same vein, I can recognize evil and can use it (or ignore it and be used by it) in varying degrees, or I can recognize it and know that it is not something that I wish to become involved with.
So we would have to say that all is NOT good. Too many unfortunate results illustrate that fact and they are not illusions.
RE: Is there no-one brave enough?
Dear Kim,
Well as Paul states in the bible Jesus was crucified for his weakness and this was his negative communication.
There is evidence that that Paul was actually a gnostic who only referred to Christ as an ideal to be followed, rather than a real person. Paul wouldn't have known the actual words or deeds, because he came along at a later time and before the apostles' stories were known. He would seem to some he based his faith largely on hearsay - he also had his own thoughts and ideas to promote;)
Paul wrote to the Corinthians: "... Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, but we proclaim Christ crucified, a stumbling block to the Jews and foolishness to the Gentiles, but to those who are called, Jews and Greeks alike, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength" (1 Cor 1:22-25).
Indeed, I grant you that Christ's crucifixion may look like weakness, but looking into this more deeply is this simply not evidence of the power and wisdom of God? Paul does agree that Christ crucified iis foolishness, and weakness. But the impact of the cross on human behaviour, thoughts, religion, spirituality, cannot be denied: what is foolishness and weakness finds itself to be "power of God and wisdom of God" (1 Cor 1:24). In being human, what is demonstrated in the cross is a choice made by God to assume foolish and weak behaviour. It is willed by God, and Paul says in Romans 6:6, "Our old self was crucified with him so that the sinful body might be destroyed, and we might no longer be enslaved to sin. . . Reckon yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus." In other words Paul also recognises sin and evil.
Love Gxxx
RE: Is there no-one brave enough?
Note we did not say that we are evil; merely that it exists. We can use it or we can refuse it.
Absolutely.;)
Gxxx