Living by the law of attraction

I see that Joe Vitale is offering yet a new 'secret' which is guaranteed to make the law of attraction work for us. It is, apparently, what has been missing up to now, and explains why all our previous efforts have been unsuccessful.

I wonder if he will be offering a full refund to everyone who has previously bought one of his books or attended one of his courses which, it seems, did not have this 'secret' and were, by deduction, incomplete.

Big business, this law of attraction stuff 🙂

Hi Crowan

Thus going in ever decreasing circles. Do you see a situation, then, where a person has accepted as their core belief that they can’t change and therefore never being able to change?

No, that was one choice which they are having to continually reinforce as an ongoing process, people have a free will to choose to change their minds and the way they are, deciding not to change all of the time, is still a choice that they are choosing to make over and over again as the original choice is challenged from within, that is the conflict that needs addressing. 🙂

On the whole, I would say that those core beliefs can be altered after death – although maybe not for everyone - , but I know that you don’t accept individual souls continuing in the way that I do.

To my understanding the core beliefs that we set up within this physical life experience have no bearing outside of this life experience, our core way of being aspect of consciousness that we set them up in, is only created for this experience, it does not exist outside of it, we are left with what we started with, which is our higher self aspect of consciousness, which is completely non-judgemental, so does not require any beliefs within its existence, it is simply aware.

A lot of headway towards accepting change can be made in this life using soul retrieval – in that the part of the soul that is able to change can be brought back – but the person has to already have accepted that change is possible in order to come to have the soul retrieval.

But then I would have to perceive that I have a vulnerable soul in order for soul retrieval to be relevant within my existence, but the process is the same, it still requires permission to change, the same as transformational healing does, acceptance is permission. 🙂

Hi Daz

Let me clear this one up. 🙂

Similar to what paul says if I understanding him correctly is that one does not have a choice in anything that is not in reflection of their core being . The result of such so called choices will not contain anything that is not inline with their core being also . One does not choose their core being

No, that is not my understanding, just because we have always embraced a certain way of being or mindset, does not mean that we cannot change our minds and decide that we will do things differently.

Most of the things that we choose to do are in the Now or real moment of time, so if someone asks you if you want toast or cereals for breakfast, then you might have established a core belief that toast is bad for you and cereals are good, so when you ask yourself in your everyday thinking aspect of consciousness do I want toast or cereal, the core way of being aspect of consciousness will attempt to tip the balance towards the cereals, but if you really fancy some toast today, you can say to self, I know that it is not good for me, but I fancy some toast today and ask for toast.

It would be the same if you believe that the best path is always to the right, then when you come to a crossroad, you will naturally choose to go right, but if where you need to go is only attainable by choosing the left path, then you can change your mind and choose to take the left path.

I can agree Paul in general terms that at a point our core way of being is untainted by any influence of the mind so in that respect one starts to paint a picture in mind that mirrors our perception of self .

It is the beliefs that we choose to create about self in our everyday thinking aspect of consciousness as we develop as a human being, that forms our core way of being aspect of self.

I personally do not perceive any tainting as we constantly form our core way of being aspect of consciousness from the picture that we paint to depict self in our everyday thinking aspect of consciousness, we are constantly evaluating self in relation to self and the wider world around us, we learn something and we choose to change our previous understanding and way of being to suit the new understanding.

This is not a process of evolving into something different, we are still the same human being that we were with our old understanding, this is utilising our free will to choose to develop ourselves.

I agree at a point and that point will be the moment one is conscious of an individual self that exists and I am not speaking of a point of rebirth, there is freewill and choice . The moment the ball starts rolling however what manifests and unfolds happens beyond the consciousness of the individual . So until that individual becomes aware that their thoughts and actions create an effect an effect that will self create experience for them they will not have a choice in what they have created

Yes we arrive as a human being with our higher self aspect of consciousness intact and aware as it has alway been, but our other aspects of consciousness that are created to allow us to experience this reality are blank, but they are aware, even a baby in the womb responds enthusiastically when a healer starts healing around them, that is because they are aware of the life force power of consciousness, that they have formed their physical reality from flowing around them from the healer.

Now when they are born, they have little in the way of communication skills other than to let us know that they are either happy or not happy, which that also do enthusiastically, but if we remember that their higher I AM aspect of consciousness is always aware then we can't say that they are unaware, vulnerable and not able to change what other people do to them and around them, but the awareness is there, awareness is always there.

At that point the blank core of being is no longer blank for it has a unique energy signature . You can't erase the signature that accumulates and collectively becomes part of your perception . A perception of our making . So midway through life when one evaluates their perception one cannot choose to perceive in any other way than what they are currently .

Not really, a small child has to be taught everything, they do not know anything about being judgemental or not being true, they are simply in expression of self, they are told things and have a choice to accept or reject what they are told, it is the choices that set up our core way of being, this continues as long as we are a human being and have separate aspects of consciousness to work with.

So if we are told that the sun is black and night time is white and embrace that, then we will believe that the sun is black and night time is white until that is challenged by something, it is the same with all things.

They cannot choose no matter how much freewill one supposedly has to perceive differently .

Your evaluation of my perception will always reflect your unique perception and you don't have a choice in that either .

Have you never changed your mind Daz? Do you think exactly the same way now, that you did when you were a young child growing up? have you never seen anyone change their minds and what they believe in???

If so then you have witnessed the freewill that everyone has to change their core way of being, I am not saying that it is aways easy without understanding, but it is very changeable. 🙂

The irritation that you experience through missing the bus reflects your current energy in the moment . Many would feel the same, many would not, depends on all sorts of things . Something came to mind that allowed you to perceive the bus scenario differently and you responded in line with that different way of thinking . It is possible that many would remain angry about missing the bus till the end of their days and yet they have the same so called choices and freewill as you do .

The only difference is was that something arises in mind for some that instigates change . In the midst of anger one doesn't have a choice other than to be angry in that moment . Something happens that diffuses their anger, something comes to mind . Something came to mind in your respect for being angry at missing the bus . Your perception has changed not through choice, when you out grow a pair of shoes you have no choice other than to change them for a bigger pair .

When you evolve for use of a better word at a point a particular mind set no longer serves you, so out with the old and in with the new .

There is no choice in that .

To expand on your request for further explanation in regards to my question put to you .

The individual self is perceived through your point of awareness . The point of awareness is currently Amy . It can be debated that amy is or isn't what you are but to cut to the chase your point of perception is what I am speaking of . So when I speak of your awareness of self you will/can relate to that point .

What I am suggesting is that through my understandings that choice is something that has to be attainable then I put it to those that believe that they have freewill and choice to end their awareness of self . To transcend that point of awareness beyond any point .

x daz x

[COLOR="Green"]That "something that came to mind" was awareness of the situation. With that awareness I applied a significant gear change, i.e. it was very far from what constituted a natural process. Do you see that? I instigated a change of reaction - I chose not to put myself through the negativity. It wasn't that I had outgrown my irritation - since this was how I was initially feeling at the time but that I intervened USING CHOICE to change that. You seem not to have ever experienced this else you would understand this. I know what I am doing and I clearly see that I am making a choice of reaction that would not naturally flow from the situation.

As to your other point (still a bit obscure to me), why would you want to end awareness of self? For what purpose? The self/ego is transcended anyway via such practises as meditation i.e. where we are in contact with our soul/spirit.

Have you never changed your mind Daz? Do you think exactly the same way now, that you did when you were a young child growing up? have you never seen anyone change their minds and what they believe in???

If so then you have witnessed the freewill that everyone has to change their core way of being, I am not saying that it is aways easy without understanding, but it is very changeable. 🙂

Hi Paul .

Again I will only attend this aspect of the post as I feel replying to your whole post will just create a mountain of writings .. (hope you don't mind) .

There seems to be confusion in the aspect of change and one's choices .

We are part of a process of life if one believes that to be true or not . Belief systems have nothing to do with what actually happens to an individual that is of life's process .

My perception had of the self has changed (yes) many times that relate to many things that are part of the process .

My realizations had came at a point within my life when I was ready to integrate them with my way of being . You cannot choose to self realize unless you are ready too . This will also depend on many others aspects of one's make up similar to that of a fruit that will not ripen and fall from the tree until it's ready .

The seed will eventually grow until a fruit exists that can eventually ripen but the fruit doesn't have to believe that it is a part of a process and it doesn't have to believe that it is a fruit to remain part of a process that undergoes changes, states and forms .

The changes will happen regardless of believing that it has freewill to make changes to its part in the process of it's evolution .

you speak of the freewill that everyone has to change their core way of being, I am not saying that it is aways easy without understanding .

Well you cannot choose to understand something you don't understand until something arises in mind that then makes sense .

If one had the choice for everything to make sense that presently doesn't for them then I put out the challenge for everyone to now choose to understand everything .

If that understanding isn't inline with your core being meaning that the choice is not possible then one will only know that when one has realized their core being . If their core being is reflecting that the individual is not ready to realize then they will never know what's at the core because the self is in essence stopping the self from knowing .

In other words the self has the freewill to bound and restrict the individual from knowing and realizing their very core or their very self until such a time for use of a better word presents it's self . This time will not come through choice nor chance .

x daz x

[COLOR="Green"]That "something that came to mind" was awareness of the situation. With that awareness I applied a significant gear change, i.e. it was very far from what constituted a natural process. Do you see that?

The awareness of the situation came to mind I agree but not through your conscious choice amy . You responded to what came to mind . You didn't choose to change prior to an awareness that differed from your current expression came to mind . I don't see it as a choice when all that you have done is reacted to what manifested .

As to your other point (still a bit obscure to me), why would you want to end awareness of self? For what purpose? The self/ego is transcended anyway via such practises as meditation i.e. where we are in contact with our soul/spirit.

Its not about for what reason or purpose amy its about having the freewill and choice to do it .

If you cannot do it .. why can you not do it for you have the freewill & choice to do it 'don't you'?

x daz x

The awareness of the situation came to mind I agree but not through your conscious choice amy . You responded to what came to mind . You didn't choose to change prior to an awareness that differed from your current expression came to mind . I don't see it as a choice when all that you have done is reacted to what manifested .

Its not about for what reason or purpose amy its about having the freewill and choice to do it .

If you cannot do it .. why can you not do it for you have the freewill & choice to do it 'don't you'?

x daz x

[COLOR="Green"]Yes through choice awareness came to mind. Have you never been somewhere, say, in a queue and CHOSEN to become aware of your surroundings? For instance, switch from being self engrossed to taking in where you are? That's a deliberate and conscious choice, i.e. not one that would naturally transpire since being engrossed in thought does not lend itself to cultivating awareness of your immediate surroundings.

Interesting you say "when all that you have done is reacted". Reactions can be kneejerk/spontaneous - requiring no consideration, or THROUGH CHOICE a more conscious/measured reaction. You do this all the time but choose (ha .... see what I did there!) not to see it that way; the difference between us is that I don't bypass the thinking/deciding aspect of the brain in the interaction. We are not robots. When you shop, you make choices constantly don't you? It is not an automatic reaction, for the most part, but requires consideration of available options. So this, I believe, covers your last point too.

[COLOR="Green"]Yes through choice awareness came to mind. Have you never been somewhere, say, in a queue and CHOSEN to become aware of your surroundings? For instance, switch from being self engrossed to taking in where you are? That's a deliberate and conscious choice, i.e. not one that would naturally transpire since being engrossed in thought does not lend itself to cultivating awareness of your immediate surroundings.

Interesting you say "when all that you have done is reacted". Reactions can be kneejerk/spontaneous - requiring no consideration, or THROUGH CHOICE a more conscious/measured reaction. You do this all the time but choose (ha .... see what I did there!) not to see it that way; the difference between us is that I don't bypass the brain in the interaction. We are not robots. When you shop, you make choices constantly don't you? It is not an automatic reaction, for the most part, but requires consideration of available options. So this, I believe, covers your last point too.

What arises that you became aware of and then responded too is of a continuous flow of energy . You have to be aware of the point of where the thought stems from that instigates change for the conscious amy to then understand where your free will and choice comes into play .

The thing is amy your point of awareness acts like a filter in midstream for the flow and is likened to the middle man . You can analyse it digest it you can conclude whatever that has presented it's self to you but you have no way of knowing that what choices you seemingly made were not going to manifest anyway from the moment the original thought began in motion and was acknowledged .

Like my questions put to paul . He sat and evaluated such questions / thoughts and he eventually concluded that he was at this point not going to agree with me and so in response to my questions / thoughts there was only ever going to be that disagreement expressed .

It may take a second or a day or a week to conclude but the outcome will be the same . It will be reflected within his own perspective even if his perspective / perception changes, his answer will then be in reflection of that change .

Some may say paul had a choice to agree or disagree but I see it as a simple reflection of his awareness that relates to his individual self and his understandings will be reflected within his expression .

in regards to shopping and choosing things to buy, this opens up many aspects regarding what resonates with the individual and also one's needs .. I mean we don't buy something that we don't 'like' for ourselves unless there is a purpose or a reason for doing so . We don't buy stuff if we don't have the means, we go without or we steal . We can break every so called choice down into no choice depending on what arises .

x daz x

Hi Daz

There seems to be confusion in the aspect of change and one's choices .

I do not have any confusion what so ever on this point, I fully understand that our life experience unfolds according to the environment that we set up for ourselves within and between our aspects of consciousness.

We are part of a process of life if one believes that to be true or not . Belief systems have nothing to do with what actually happens to an individual that is of life's process .

You state that beliefs have nothing to do with what happens to an individual within their life experience, but you believe that a selfish person cannot experience selflessness, yet reality shows us all of the time that people can and do choose to change all of the time, nothing is set in stone apart from our beliefs which often give the appearance of being unchangeable, but that is an illusion.

Someone who is judged to be ruthless by their actions of stealing and conning people all of the time, can stop and lend a hand to someone that they choose to help, believing that someone cannot change does not make it so.

My perception had of the self has changed (yes) many times that relate to many things that are part of the process

As you encounter each aspect of your life experience as it unfolds around you, you have to make choices, it is the choices that create the change, not the life experience, can you not see that when someone believes that they are only worthy of have painful relationships with people who always seem to abuse and use them, then they are creating that life experience directly from their core belief which they have chosen to embrace within the fullness of self?

I have witnessed this in both my own life and countless other people's lives who have chosen to come for healing and personal understanding so that they can actively choose to change the path that they set for themselves, through the beliefs that they chose to embrace within the past.

I perceive nothing outside of the fullness of each being that I encountered that is driving their life experience, if this was not so, then we would be unable to help them to transform their life experience through transforming what they are through their underlying thought patterns and beliefs, they and their life experience would be predefined for them and then they would have no choice but to put up with whatever was the driving force of their life experience outside of self.

Do you really believe that you have no choice what soever but to blindly follow a preset life process, that is not of your own choosing?

My realizations had came at a point within my life when I was ready to integrate them with my way of being . You cannot choose to self realize unless you are ready too . This will also depend on many others aspects of one's make up similar to that of a fruit that will not ripen and fall from the tree until it's ready .

Why do you think that you cannot choose to become aware of the fullness of self, I did it at a time that I decided it was time to stop looking outward for answers that were not forthcoming and start looking inward in an open and non-judgemental way, that was a choice that I made, it was not forced upon me by some purpose outside of me, I had to choose to stop, look and be prepared to accept what I found.

It is not a choice that I was forced to make and it is not a choice that can be force upon others, it is a personal choice that is available to each individual but once made it can be acted upon.

The changes will happen regardless of believing that it has freewill to make changes to its part in the process of it's evolution

No, we cannot change unless we make a conscious choice to do so, some people choose not to change and remain static in their thoughts and beliefs, that is fine they have the freedom to choose to do so, others choose to change all of the time and that is also fine because they also have the freedom to do so.

Well you cannot choose to understand something you don't understand until something arises in mind that then makes sense

No, nothing is within our existence until we choose to make it so, our thoughts come from self, our guidance comes from self as intuition or inner tuition, everyone has it, they just have to choose to acknowledge it it not, the same as empathy or esp, it is there within everyone waiting for them to allow themselves to be.

If one had the choice for everything to make sense that presently doesn't for them then I put out the challenge for everyone to now choose to understand everything

If people choose to stop judging things, then there is nothing to understand but everything to embrace and become one with. 😉

If that understanding isn't inline with your core being meaning that the choice is not possible then one will only know that when one has realized their core being . If their core being is reflecting that the individual is not ready to realize then they will never know what's at the core because the self is in essence stopping the self from knowing .

In other words the self has the freewill to bound and restrict the individual from knowing and realizing their very core or their very self until such a time for use of a better word presents it's self . This time will not come through choice nor chance .

In order to experience something, we have to choose to set it up within self so that it can manifest into our life experience and we can then embrace the experience as it unfolds within the Now or current moment of time, this is something that we all do all of the time.

To create pain and suffering, we actively choose and set up the right environment through our aspects of consciousness within the fullness of self, this allows our life experience to reflect that so that we can experience the pain and suffering that we have chosen to experience, to then experience something different within our life experience we have to make a conscious choice to transform the environment that we have already set up for self, so that the new environment within consciousness can then be reflected into our life experience and we and our life experience changes.

It is at this point that the law of attraction falls down, for it is taught that it will work without firstly transforming the environment that already exists within the fullness of self

At the end of the day we are all the same, we are all one, we are creatures of our own design, that design revolves around the choices that we choose to make within our aspects of consciousness.

in regards to shopping and choosing things to buy, this opens up many aspects regarding what resonates with the individual and also one's needs .. I mean we don't buy something that we don't 'like' for ourselves unless there is a purpose or a reason for doing so . We don't buy stuff if we don't have the means, we go without or we steal . We can break every so called choice down into no choice depending on what arises .

x daz x

[COLOR="Green"]Briefly, regarding the shopping situation, the choices we make (that I refer to) are within the brands that we might be choosing anyway. For example, instead of going for what we usually buy, we may DECIDE/choose to buy something else depending on how we feel. This is all so obvious that I can't be bothered to argue the matter anymore.

I am tiring of this discussion since you don't clearly grasp my points and I know oh so well the incredible, beneficial transition that took place (not naturally but through concerted effort in breaking down an established mindset) that transformed a fatalistic outlook to a well-established positive mindset. Not a brief phase or fad, but one I am still enjoying some 30 years on.

I have no need to try and convince you. I see you are steeped in your opinion and (it seems) not willing to appraise it in the light of refuting conversations you are having here with myself and Paul. All I can say is that I am glad to be free of that limited way of thinking that so cripples behaviour!

As you encounter each aspect of your life experience as it unfolds around you, you have to make choices, it is the choices that create the change, not the life experience, can you not see that when someone believes that they are only worthy of have painful relationships with people who always seem to abuse and use them, then they are creating that life experience directly from their core belief which they have chosen to embrace within the fullness of self?

Hi Paul .

Change happens constantly . Choices are seemingly made when the individual engages within mind with what arises . Choices are not the catalyst for change . Change happens . The world continues to go round and round without anyone doing anything . The world that goes round is not separate from the paul that seemingly chooses to do this and that .

Why do you think that you cannot choose to become aware of the fullness of self, I did it at a time that I decided it was time to stop looking outward for answers that were not forthcoming and start looking inward in an open and non-judgemental way, that was a choice that I made, it was not forced upon me by some purpose outside of me, I had to choose to stop, look and be prepared to accept what I found.

And you did not choose to decide it was time to stop looking . You was ready to stop looking when you was ready to stop looking . 10 years ago you were not ready to stop looking . you didn't have a choice other than to continue looking in the midst of you looking . . Its a process like I keep saying .

No, we cannot change unless we make a conscious choice to do so,

The thought to change already arrived by first class post of the mind .. The choice is a confirmation of one's thoughts that had presented themselves to the mind body whom had acknowledged them . Known as Daz, Paul .. Amy.. Crowan ..

If people choose to stop judging things, then there is nothing to understand but everything to embrace and become one with.

Understandings are within an aspect of mind, just as your understandings are that have concluded your answer in reply to my question . There is still the question of freewill and one choices to understand everything that doesn't make sense to them in the moment . Something that I would say is impossible and reflects an element of restriction and limitation created by self .

You state that beliefs have nothing to do with what happens to an individual within their life experience, but you believe that a selfish person cannot experience selflessness,

What I believe in will not have an impact on the selfish persons experience . It is a matter of resonance that a selfish person cannot entertain the energy of the selfless . The inner unhappiness that a selfish person has within themselves is there whether I believe it or not .

One can experience transitions in life without believing that transitions are possible . At a point one may not believe that one can transcend the mind or fly to the moon but these things happen regardless .

x dazzle x

[COLOR="Green"]Briefly, regarding the shopping situation, the choices we make (that I refer to) are within the brands that we might be choosing anyway. For example, instead of going for what we usually buy, we may DECIDE/choose to buy something else depending on how we feel. This is all so obvious that I can't be bothered to argue the matter anymore.

I am tiring of this discussion since you don't clearly grasp my points and I know oh so well the incredible, beneficial transition that took place (not naturally but through concerted effort in breaking down an established mindset) that transformed a fatalistic outlook to a well-established positive mindset. Not a brief phase or fad, but one I am still enjoying some 30 years on.

I have no need to try and convince you. I see you are steeped in your opinion and (it seems) not willing to appraise it in the light of refuting conversations you are having here with myself and Paul. All I can say is that I am glad to be free of that limited way of thinking that so cripples behaviour!

Thanks for your thoughts amy . As you are tiring from the discussion I will withdraw from any further replies . As you say you have no need to convince me of your perception nor do I, that is not my intention and I am sure it isn't anyone else's intention either . We are simply discussing how we perceive that's all .

It's interesting however that the key points I made to you regarding you exercising your freewill and choice you still have not answered .

My key points illustrates the fact that one has not the freewill and choice that they think they have otherwise we would all be manifesting what we want as well as what we need as the saying goes .

x daz x

And paul I am sure we have both had a good run with expressing our perception also .

I will take no offence if you call it a day also .

I would say we understand each others differences in a round about way .

x daz x

Hi Daz

Change happens constantly . Choices are seemingly made when the individual engages within mind with what arises . Choices are not the catalyst for change . Change happens . The world continues to go round and round without anyone doing anything . The world that goes round is not separate from the paul that seemingly chooses to do this and that .

Whatever changes I instigate within the fullness of self has no impact upon the world at large, the world will continue to turn when I am no longer here, but my life experience within the world is a different thing, that revolves around me and will no longer exist when I am no longer here to experience it, in that, the two are separate and distinct from each other. 🙂

And you did not choose to decide it was time to stop looking . You was ready to stop looking when you was ready to stop looking . 10 years ago you were not ready to stop looking . you didn't have a choice other than to continue looking in the midst of you looking . . Its a process like I keep saying .

You are splitting hairs that cannot be split, you cannot separate me form my thoughts whilst I live upon this planet. :confused:

The thought to change already arrived by first class post of the mind .. The choice is a confirmation of one's thoughts that had presented themselves to the mind body whom had acknowledged them . Known as Daz, Paul .. Amy.. Crowan

Ah yes, the thoughts of inner division and separateness, unfortunately I perceive things through wholeness these days, I and my thoughts are one irrespective of which aspect of my consciousness they come from, there was a time for me to experience division and conflict between my aspects of consciousness, I have after all experienced lots of pain and suffering in my life experience, which I could not have done without creating inner divisional conflicts and judgements, but that was in the past, not forgotten but not relative in the Now that I choose to experience. 🙂

Understandings are within an aspect of mind, just as your understandings are that have concluded your answer in reply to my question . There is still the question of freewill and one choices to understand everything that doesn't make sense to them in the moment . Something that I would say is impossible and reflects an element of restriction and limitation created by self

Yes if we believe something to be impossible, then we disempower ourselves from attaining whatever it is that we choose to disempower ourselves from until we choose to change our minds, this is what happened with the four minute mile until it was broken and then lots of runner chose to change their minds and followed suit.

What I believe in will not have an impact on the selfish persons experience . It is a matter of resonance that a selfish person cannot entertain the energy of the selfless . The inner unhappiness that a selfish person has within themselves is there whether I believe it or not .

One can experience transitions in life without believing that transitions are possible . At a point one may not believe that one can transcend the mind or fly to the moon but these things happen regardless .

That is correct, our self disempowering beliefs and judgements only affect ourselves and our own life experiences until we choose to change them, but we are talking about individual choices, beliefs and realities here in relation to the law of attraction. 😉

At the end of the day choosing to disempower ourselves through our underlying thought patterns and beliefs, is a choice that we are all capable of making, choosing to change self from a position of self dis-empowerment into a place of empowerment is a choice that is often hard to see from a position of dis-empowerment, but choosing not to perceive that something is possible is still a choice that has to be made every time a question challenges the underlying thought pattern and belief that is disempowering us.

But then, trying to tell someone who has already achieved something and constantly achieves the same achievement with other people that it is not achievable is a little pointless, because those who think that something can't be done are relying upon their own thoughts that arise from their own dis-empowerments to substantiate their beliefs, whilst those who have achieved it rely upon the experience of success to know that it is possible. 😉

Thanks for your further explanation paul .

What might be helpful is for you to explain this fullness of self that you speak of .

I am not sure if it is the same as realizing self and living within the perception of the realization if you get my meaning .

I say this because within the realization of self there is no-self .

If there is no-self then there is no-one to choose anything .

The automated flow of being will-less and just being doesn't require and individual to evaluate, conclude, make choices etc ..

Just curious in that respect what fullness of self is in regards to whom you think or feel that you are .

x daz x

Hi Daz

Good question and one that I do need to address as it is something that I will be adding to the lessons that I am currently formulating, so I will give you my current thought on the fullness of self which is more of a concept but I do work in concepts so I will endeavour to expand it a little. 😉

I work on a model of seven aspects of consciousness which always has our higher of I AM consciousness at the top, but to explain the fullness of self and how we connect with it I will place it at the bottom, for although its rightful place is at the top, it appears to be the last thing that people manage to embrace when seeking it. 🙂

So we will start with our everyday thinking aspect of consciousness, which is what you are utilising to read my words and then they are being assessed through your other aspects of consciousness to assess the validity of them or not, which will depend on what you have already chosen to believe or not. 🙂

So one of the ways of connecting with the fullness of self is through meditation, in which the person who is meditating is encouraged to still their everyday thinking aspect of consciousness, so that they can become aware of other aspects of self, so the first thing that happens is we still our thinking mind and then we have all sorts of things coming into awareness, to which there are few ways of dealing with them, one of the main ones is to push them aside and choose to ignore them, but this is the other aspects of self that are now attempting to get your full attention so that the inner divisional conflicts can be healed, another way is to embrace what is arising but give it no significance because it is unimportant, again these are aspects of self that need addressing.

Our way is to acknowledge what arises from the different aspects of self and embrace them fully so that we can perceive the underlying problems that are arising from our other aspects of consciousness so, when we still our everyday thinking aspect of consciousness we then encounter:
[INDENT]Our memory aspect of consciousness will contain actual records of everything that has happened, that do not tally with the judgemental way that we have chosen to internalise what has been through our everyday thinking aspect of consciousness. Beyond our memory aspect of consciousness we encounter.

Our core way of being that will contain thought patterns and beliefs that conflict with other aspects of consciousness, which is our main inner divisional conflicts that we have to heal, in order to connect with the fullness of self.

Our matrix of consciousness aspect of consciousness that looks after the state of our matrix, will be having problems with the conflicts that are arising between the other aspects of consciousness, that is directing it to set up the environment for our general state of health and wellbeing to reflect, we then encounter:

Our interface that allows our aspects of consciousness to interact with our physicality through our brain which is the central processor of the body, beyond that we encounter:

Our physicality which is our body, this still contains consciousness that can and does distract us when it is alerting us to imbalances within itself, so when we move beyond the body we encounter:

Our higher self aspect of consciousness which our true state of being outside of this physical experience that we are all currently experiencing, this is what I perceive you are referring to as not self, that is because this is completely non-judgemental, it does not change, it has no reason to, it just accepts everything that it is aware of in an open and nonjudgmental way, it is like encountering a void full of awareness of nothingness, no sight, sound, smell, or any of the other things that we are used to experiencing within our physicality, yet it is complete within itself and it is still an integral aspect of self (there are no divisions in self unless we choose to create them). 😀

When we are in full acceptance of all aspects of our current being and they are healed so that they are all working in harmony together in wholeness once more, then we are what we are, there is no definition of self, we just are, but we are still self and individual, we just do not have to label self in order to define self, 'I am' is enough, we are complete within the fullness of self.

[/INDENT]So that is the fullness of self, beyond the fullness of self we encounter the oneness of consciousness where all is one, we are all an integral aspect of the oneness even in our current form of separateness through our higher aspect of self consciousness, but with the oneness there is still self as a part of the whole, the oneness is not one consciousness it is formed from the sum total of the consciousnesses that make up the whole, so although we cannot perceive ourselves as separate from the whole within the oneness, we are still aware that we are not the only consciousness that is the whole.

Now that I have formulated my thoughts, I can go and put this together as a lesson, I hope it help with your understanding of the fullness of self. 🙂

Hi Paul .

Thanks for explaining the fullness of self .

I guess that if you were trying to teach these understandings to another then you would have to have some kind of structure in place to illustrate to them the various aspects of self . I do resonate with some of your understandings and I would say that what you are presenting to others will help them in some shape or form .

As we know at times putting certain knowings / realizations into words is difficult .

Perhaps if we all realized the same thing there still would be differences had in the understandings had of what they realized and what aspect of self that was present within the realization .lol .

x daz x

Hi Daz

Yes, it is often difficult to unpack a knowing to present it to others, but it gets easies with practise. Thankfully the structure is already in place to help people to achieve this, both for the people who choose to be healed into wholeness as well as those who wish to learn to become whole whilst learning how to help others to do the same as healers, that is the main function of the healing modality, though I have found that doing it for someone and helping them to do it for themselves is often two completely different things, but then one requires understanding and the other only requires acceptance. 😉

Within that thought everyone still perceives this through their our own unique perceptions of consciousness as it unfolds within them, which is why if we put 10 people through exactly the same experience, they would give 10 different accounts of what they had all individually experienced within their own unique life experiences. 🙂

Understanding that we are much more than just our everyday thinking aspect of consciousness or thinking mind is the first step in self realisation, but certainly not the last. 😀

I've been reading it in order, and I've read plenty of it. (though not got to the end yet as it's hard going because it's so awful to read)

When you say "to realize who the author is"... is that meant to imply that I should recognize this person as the return of Jesus, or some saviour or God Himself? Sorry, but all that comes across from that author is ego from a person who chose to change his name to make himself sound more spiritual. He's not the first person to have done that.

He also says:

Well, this book seems to weary my spirit, so it can never be right, by it's own definition. But of course you'll carry on telling me that's because I'm some unworthy antichrist who cannot possibly understand as I'm not good enough yet... but hang on...

Well, it didn't immediately refresh me. Instead it immediately showed up as being yet another preaching ego trip.

I could quote many things from those writing and indicate how they are using fear of impending doom and wording to twist people's beliefs that they have to believe what is said or be forever doomed themselves... but this thread is not the place... this thread is about the law of attraction, and I would ask that you demonstrate to us how this book supposedly helps people to work with the law of attraction, rather than just say "read this it's the truth" without any foundation.

Please feel free to demonstrate how it helps with the LOA.

All Love and Reiki Hugs

I am sorry that you do not take it in the context it was given to us, perhaps it is not for you as yet if you cannot grasp it, I only lead to the water of Life,

I cannot make anyone drink it.

you say =Please feel free to demonstrate how it helps with the LOA.
again it is in the book if you cannot understand it, it is not for you yet!

Would you expect the knowledge of Creation to be easy?

How could it refresh you if you didn't understand or absorb it?

Peace and light
Peter

[COLOR="Green"]PJ7 - Are you not able to give us soundbites from this book that directly relates to the law of attraction? It seems a bit much to expect someone to read a whole book just to get to the bits that you are referring to. Perhaps you are not clear enough about the LOA exerpts to formulate them in a summary form for a post.

PJ7 - Are you not able to give us soundbites from this book that directly relates to the law of attraction? It seems a bit much to expect someone to read a whole book just to get to the bits that you are referring to. Perhaps you are not clear enough about the LOA exerpts to formulate them in a summary form for a post.

The Law of attraction, or as I call it and know of it, is the attraction of homogeneous species, like to like, such as the attraction of smokers to smokers, drinkers to drinkers etc.

I believe that this book contains the knowledge of Creation, I came across the thread here on the Law of attraction, and thought I would introduce from which the little knowledge I have that I have gleaned from this book and introduce to others!

The book doesn't just contain just about the Law of attraction, it contains the knowledge of life itself, I'm afraid I do not pick passages out from it, as I believe you need the whole to understand it fully, it is inexhaustible.

As I have said before I have been reading it for a long time, and the knowledge it contains is probably beyond some human comprehension, as to its source unless you absorb the whole of the book and bring it to life within you.

The author recommends that you read the book in sequence, and not pick out individual passages as I believe as it pleases you.

Peace and light
Peter

Law of Attraction and controlling subconscious thoughts

I have found that there can be thought patterns in your subconscious that are counter productive to achieving what you desire through the law of attraction. These may be thoughts of which you are not consciously aware of have chosen to ignore or dismiss. i read a book "The Power of Believing" by john Hall that is available on amazon.com that recomends the incorporation of "Life Scripts" into your daily routine and using them 2 to 3 times per day. These life scripts are to change your subconscious thought patterns and eliminate what is counter productive to achieving your desired results. i have incorporated the use of life scripts into my daily routine and have had significant positive results.

[COLOR="Green"]I haven't heard of this book but certainly self sabotage can operate when trying to align with the law of attraction. I guess this is where personal development comes in, e.g. getting to grips with personal issues/obstacles.

I haven't heard of this book but certainly self sabotage can operate when trying to align with the law of attraction. I guess this is where personal development comes in, e.g. getting to grips with personal issues/obstacles.

I don't know that I would classify it as much as self sabotage as just the natural progression of the manifestation into reality of what is contained within the model of reality that is contained in our subconscious. The book that I refrenced in the previous post suggests that through the consistent and persistant use of life scripts it is possible to change what the subconcious percieves as reality and thus change its' model of reality. The subconscious does everything within its power through filtering the way that we percieve life events and through the way that it automatically offers up emotion and automatic responses in reaction to life events that we encounter. It suggests that we can consciously and intentionally reshape the interaction of our subconscious with our conscious reality and the spiritual realm with its connections with every aspect of the universe. The accompanying website for this book is

Response to Amy Green's post

I haven't heard of this book but certainly self sabotage can operate when trying to align with the law of attraction. I guess this is where personal development comes in, e.g. getting to grips with personal issues/obstacles.

I do not know that I would classify it as self sabotage as much as just the natural progression of the unavoidable manifestation into conscious reality of what is contained within the model of reality contained in the subconscious. The book that I referenced in the previous post suggests that with the persistent and consistent use of life scripts it is possible to persuade the subconscious that what it perceives as reality is what we desire our reality to be and thus change the model of reality contained in the subconscious. When the model of reality in the subconscious is changed it changes the automatic responses to our life events of the subconscious, and the related emotions and ideas that it offers up to the conscious part of our being and its radiation to the spiritual realm through all of its connections to every aspect of the universe. As a result of these changes, there is a manifestation of change in our conscious reality. A website that is related to the book is .