I've been reading up about and exploring the 'law of attraction' (or the other various names attributed to it) since I became ill several years ago.
There's still a few anomolies for me, though... I was wondereing what other people's thoughts and experiences were who have an interest in this subject.
So, in very recent years, I can see with absolute clarity where my beliefs have created my reality, both negatively and positively. For example, getting a place at an extremely competetive uni, leaving uni and walking straight into a job working on a kids' tv show. Then 'blocking' new jobs after getting pregnant, probably because I didn't really want them. More recently, I've been startled by the accuracy of what I wanted to recieve e.g. I wanted £500 and got a tax rebate of £520. I thought that since it worked well, I'd ask for another £500 and my nan wrote me a cheque for that amount as a wedding gift. So there's just a few examples of when I see it happening.
But there's situations that I just don't get... In the final weeks of pregnancy last year, I was listening to a hypnosis CD every day to prepare myself for the birth. I felt ready for it, I'd 'rehearsed' it in my mind, so my shock was beyond monumental when I was taken in for an emergency caesarean. I can't work out how I attracted that to myself...? It had never even entered my head for one single millionth of a second that I would ever have a c-section. That's definitely something that happens to other people!!
Plus there's the argument of how a child would attract abuse to themselves... I have real difficulty letting myself believe in it 100%...
So what's going on in the universe? What's really happening here? Are we kidding ourselves?
Are some things set out as 'fate' for us, whilst everything else is variable? Edited to add question: are some things random or does everything have a cause?
That's definitely something that happens to other people!
Plus there's the argument of how a child would attract abuse to themselves... I have real difficulty letting myself believe in it 100%...
So what's going on in the universe? What's really happening here? Are we kidding ourselves?
Are some things set out as 'fate' for us, whilst everything else is variable? Edited to add question: are some things random or does everything have a cause?
Law of attraction works but the most important component in it is missing and they don't talk about it because that is not in their expeience. That is grace and expansion of consciousness.
The mind can delude itself to think positive and try hard to stay there but it keeps fizzling back to its default. The default depends on the vibration of consciousness. Expanded consciousness is positive, at peace and so on. Whereas shrunken, pinched consciousness generates thoughts and ultimately reality of that calibre. Now understanding it intellectually and undergoing a shift in consciusness are two different worlds. Most new age people echo with you. They undestand it yet they hit a brick wall every so often. It is hit and miss. Which leaves people mystified.
Because understanding it intellectually does not shift consciousness. Your reality is a slave to your consciousness. Clearer the cons smoother will be the reality.
Law of attraction is all about how to align your thoughts to positive charge but that soon wears thin because mind is only a reflection of your consciousness. Hence certain things keep manifesting even if one thinks and feels very positive about them.
Then there is Karma...
Where does grace come into it? With grace your being transforms. That is where law of attraction is incomplete. It does not take the last step of entering and experiencing grace. Then there is no Karma to burn, no attractions to be pulled. It is effortless. Law of attraction is hard work compared to grace and certainly incomplete
An expanded consciousness enjoys effortless smoothness of experience. That is entering the Zone
Law of attaction, healings etc were unheard of in India when I was growing up(I think they ae following west now-copy cats!) But immense healing happened and desires came to fruition by hanging in with gurus. Grace is the main component that law of attraction does not speak of. I am sure someone here can agree with that if they have been with a true master
So sorry to hear about the emergency caesarean, Tigerlily.
So what's going on in the universe? What's really happening here? Are we kidding ourselves?
Are some things set out as 'fate' for us, whilst everything else is variable? Edited to add question: are some things random or does everything have a cause?
I haven't read this short thread till now, and I logged on to mention that there is always karma. We've lived many lives, and things do come back for repayment. This undeniably happens no matter how pure and spiritual a person my be in this life; and even the most promising and useful people who could aid in world service, and who are truly selfless, capable of being of huge use to the world, sometimes suffer karmic returns, great or small, which hinder or even end their Work. I'm afraid this is something I've seen around me in people I know, of late.
So I logged on to mention karma, as it's a factor sometimes beyond the law of attraction by our present mind: it is in fact the universal Law of Attraction that as we've sown even before this life, so we have to take the kicks when they return. Karma is truly the Law of Attraction too, but maybe from a prior life: we've put unfortunate energy out, and that too is attracted back to its source - us. 
But then I find jnani has already mentioned it. 
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Law of attraction works but the most important component in it is missing and they don't talk about it because that is not in their expeience. That is grace and expansion of consciousness.
The mind can delude itself to think positive and try hard to stay there but it keeps fizzling back to its default. The default depends on the vibration of consciousness. Now understanding it intellectually and undergoing a shift in consciusness are two different worlds.
Absolutely no way is this a critique of you, Tigerlily, as you are no doubt a wonderful person with many spiritual aspirations, whereas I too could always well-do with, and do envisage, more material things. But just writing non-personally, as though it were anyone, or myself say (apart from the last item below!), in the post we find mentioned the law of attraction with regard to:
a uni place
getting a job
not getting jobs
wanting £500
so then wanting another £500
preparation for birth
None of those things, of course, are inherently wrong in any way. Indeed, it's high time the more spiritual people were also successful in the world as thereby we can more help the world quite often. But it's a pattern I'm often having to correct myself on, I must say. Because - to me, IMO, simply far and away the main thing always I should be attracting into my world is "God", or my Higher Self - or a greater proximity to the One, to the Fire of Union. If that's not happening enough, I try to catch myself and self-correct.
Then mayhap, the grace that jnani wrote of just may indeed come to us. Such grace is permanent. It follows us even into another life. £500 is a grain of sand as compared to it. (Though it's useful to get faith in the Law when the £500 comes, but it's only a tiny experiment really.)
Will halt there. - becuase I only meant to post to say, as jnani already in fact has, that there's karma ....
V
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After months of writing my OP, I'm finally getting round to replying. I've actually been thinking a lot about what you both said, trying to understand it.
The mind can delude itself to think positive and try hard to stay there but it keeps fizzling back to its default. The default depends on the vibration of consciousness.
This resonates with me. I find 'positive thinking' really hard work. I have to make an effort much of the time as it doesn't come naturally to me and so doesn't feel truthful. We're told that positive thinking is a choice, well maybe that's true, but for me sometimes it takes immense effort. So yep, my mind is definitely fizzling back to default as you put it.
What I don't understand, jnani, is what you mean by 'grace'. Is it too big to be defined? I don't actually know what it is, but want to know.
Venetian.... wow karma from a previous life wasn't something I'd thought of. I've tried to find out about previous lives, but came away feeling very sceptical about the results. I've been regressed twice under hypnosis and both times I felt with almost unwavering certainty, that I was making up stories. It was almost as if the child in me had been released and I'd been put under pressure to give answers, so my imagination just took over. So the stories in no way felt 'real' to me or familiar. I still believe in the possibility that I've been here before, but may not know about it in this lifetime.
But I'm curious to know why I need to be attracting God/Higher Self into my life? Again, clearly I'm missing big chunks of information.
Also, is 'fate' actually karma being played out?
Rather than reading these books written by people who seem to be in it to make a nice tidy sum of money by repackaging old ideas over and over again, which books can I read that will lead me to something closer to the truth?
After months of writing my OP, I'm finally getting round to replying. I've actually been thinking a lot about what you both said, trying to understand it.
This resonates with me. I find 'positive thinking' really hard work. I have to make an effort much of the time as it doesn't come naturally to me and so doesn't feel truthful. We're told that positive thinking is a choice, well maybe that's true, but for me sometimes it takes immense effort. So yep, my mind is definitely fizzling back to default as you put it.
What I don't understand, jnani, is what you mean by 'grace'. Is it too big to be defined? I don't actually know what it is, but want to know.
But I'm curious to know why I need to be attracting God/Higher Self into my life? Again, clearly I'm missing big chunks of information.
Grace, is it too big to be defined? Yes. But it It is easier to experience it, be touched by it, to become available to it, to open to it.
The second part of your comment why I need to attract higher Self into my life?
No, you don't need to. That is who you trully are. The fault is in the modern spiritual terminology. There is a higher self and a lower...how many of you are there?
Everything manifests in the SELF. when you relax into the Self, completely at home(which happens with grace) you find that you are the very source of all manifestation. Not just abundance, money, etc
Books can teach tricks and gimmicks to attract this that and the other but the true treasure remains untouched. That begins to reveal itself in its full glory with grace.
Jnani, thanks for the reply.
So... is grace something I won't understand unless I feel it in someway? If it's too big to be defined, is there at least a starting point in understanding what it is?
As for the second part, that was more a question to Venetian who said there was a need to attract 'God'.
simply far and away the main thing always I should be attracting into my world is "God", or my Higher Self - or a greater proximity to the One, to the Fire of Union. If that's not happening enough, I try to catch myself and self-correct.
There's a lot of talk about LoA being all about material stuff, but for me it's about trying to improve all aspects of life. It was the search for better health that got me interested in the first place.
And right now I want to feel better on the inside, because for most of the time, I just don't. I have an almost constant stream of negative babble going on in my head which is hard to control. Mostly worrying about stuff and my lack of self-confidence.
Jnani, thanks for the reply.
So... is grace something I won't understand unless I feel it in someway? If it's too big to be defined, is there at least a starting point in understanding what it is?
As for the second part, that was more a question to Venetian who said there was a need to attract 'God'.
There's a lot of talk about LoA being all about material stuff, but for me it's about trying to improve all aspects of life. It was the search for better health that got me interested in the first place.
And right now I want to feel better on the inside, because for most of the time, I just don't. I have an almost constant stream of negative babble going on in my head which is hard to control. Mostly worrying about stuff and my lack of self-confidence.
Starting point of grace hmmm...how about the loving and nurturing of intelligence/divine that is totally unconditional.
You are right Tiger, in west there is a lot of emphasis on material success/ abundance. It is really a side show for opening up to the abundance of the Self. To awaken to your own beauty, perfection andd peace.
Your negative babble in head is nothing uinique. That is the bane of human mind.When the consciousness is shrunk, it only holds negative. What little positivity one learns is held together with great effort and constant banging againt the great wall of negative. That is why LOA does not work efficiently, becuae it is hard to dodge the state of being.
Grace purifies the being expands it then positivity is not held as a captive it is your true state-open, loving, soft, peaceful
Don't despair, when such a strong urge to go peaceful within begins to take place, grace is already seeking you. When you are completely done with suffering it just appears in some form or shape. Rest in this negativity.
Loving hugs
x
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Done. 
This resonates with me. I find 'positive thinking' really hard work. I have to make an effort much of the time as it doesn't come naturally to me and so doesn't feel truthful. We're told that positive thinking is a choice, well maybe that's true, but for me sometimes it takes immense effort. So yep, my mind is definitely fizzling back to default as you put it.
So, do it the other way around. Rather than working to try and find the 'positive', learn to recognise the 'negative' for what it is and chooes to let that 'negative' go. When the negative goes, the positive is naturally there.
An analogy I use is that it's like a lightbulb. The light is always on, but over time it get's covered with dust. Just because you can't see the light because of the dust doesn't mean the light isn't on. Once you wipe the dust away, you will be able to see the light again.
So, the positive is already there and you don't have to work to find it, you just have to work to remove the negative. Understanding the way the mind is creating the negative can help you recognise that it doesn't really exist and it's just the mind creating it. It can take practice, but you can learn this and bring it into your life in such a way that you constantly recognise the negative as not real, and can choose to let it go.
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I don’t think that there is any question that LOA exists and works. But as some have commented there are those individuals/couples that teach LOA and use implied wealth as a hook to catch you, but the wealth they have comes from selling an idea not from them using LOA for themselves.
Do they really tell you what it takes to make it work? Do they actually know? I actually sat through part of a supposed channeled DVD that kinda left me cold. For sure there is more to be done than simply think what you want and believe it, then hay presto there it is.
LOA takes work on the part of the individual through healing the self and in so doing getting rid of the emotions that generate our own self destruct button which we tend to jump on with both feet as regular as clockwork =) However spiritually developed we might think we are we are all human too; we are Spirit with the skin on.
So you put the thought out I wonder is that on an emotional level; from your human self? Or has the spiritual you become strong enough to project the thought instead. After all it is our spiritual self that is entirely common to every other living thing; that is the oneness. Our human self is our individuality it is what makes one person different from another in every way.
I wonder if it was simply a case of putting out a human thought how many human events would Spirit have to control (along with the people involved ) for you to get what you want. I learnt a very long time ago that human control of spiritual energy changes it and also if you are aware of any form of spiritual control it is not an authentic expression of what most call the oneness/spirit. Oneness is I think like LOA it becomes a term that simply lumps everything together without any real understanding/insight to back it up.
As we grow a great deal will fall away and it becomes a case of the more you understand the less you need. So it’s fair to say that LOA will then have a much better chance of working for individuals that have made the effort with themselves. It’s like so many things; words from another person (including me) don’t cut it until you actually begin to gain insight for yourself then it’s often the case that reading the same passage will become so clear and simple that you kick yourself for not realizing far earlier.
So I think for some LOA works here and there but it is often far more subtle than we might expect and it can be missed quite easily. As humans we tend to try too hard. To really let ourselves just BE and therefore give LOA the chance to work takes time and effort to get to that point; then it all falls away and no longer seems important after all that time learning about yourself.
Advice, mmmm well examine the toolbox you have chosen to use for your development if it’s truly working for you magic. If not maybe some new tools or viewpoints are needed
I've been reading up about and exploring the 'law of attraction' (or the other various names attributed to it) since I became ill several years ago.
There's still a few anomolies for me, though... I was wondereing what other people's thoughts and experiences were who have an interest in this subject.
So, in very recent years, I can see with absolute clarity where my beliefs have created my reality, both negatively and positively. For example, getting a place at an extremely competetive uni, leaving uni and walking straight into a job working on a kids' tv show. Then 'blocking' new jobs after getting pregnant, probably because I didn't really want them. More recently, I've been startled by the accuracy of what I wanted to recieve e.g. I wanted £500 and got a tax rebate of £520. I thought that since it worked well, I'd ask for another £500 and my nan wrote me a cheque for that amount as a wedding gift. So there's just a few examples of when I see it happening.
But there's situations that I just don't get... In the final weeks of pregnancy last year, I was listening to a hypnosis CD every day to prepare myself for the birth. I felt ready for it, I'd 'rehearsed' it in my mind, so my shock was beyond monumental when I was taken in for an emergency caesarean. I can't work out how I attracted that to myself...? It had never even entered my head for one single millionth of a second that I would ever have a c-section. That's definitely something that happens to other people!!
Plus there's the argument of how a child would attract abuse to themselves... I have real difficulty letting myself believe in it 100%...
So what's going on in the universe? What's really happening here? Are we kidding ourselves?
Are some things set out as 'fate' for us, whilst everything else is variable? Edited to add question: are some things random or does everything have a cause?
You want to understand the Law of attraction this is the book of the knowledge of Creation.
I only lead to the water i cannot make anyone drink it!
[url]The Grail Message | Table of Contents[/url]
Peace and Light
Peter
But Peter, the Grail Message is not a book about the Law of Attraction.
All Love and Reiki Hugs
But Peter, the Grail Message is not a book about the Law of Attraction.
All Love and Reiki Hugs
Its about life itself where we come from and whither we go, the attraction of homogeneous species is explained in it!
Just glancing at it does nothing i have been reading it for over ten years.
Peace and Light
Peter
I've been reading it too (though not for 10 years), and from what I read, it's not about life itself, it's about a dogmatic belief and 'teachings' that use fear etc. to justify itself and tell people they're wrong if they don't believe it, tantamount to tactics used by a fundamentalist religious group or cult, or even many churches.
It certainly does not relate to the practice or principles of the Law of Attraction, except the only connection being that if you consistently tell yourself that the contents of the book are true then you will make them true in your own life.
All Love and Reiki Hugs
I've been reading it too (though not for 10 years), and from what I read, it's not about life itself, it's about a dogmatic belief and 'teachings' that use fear etc. to justify itself and tell people they're wrong if they don't believe it, tantamount to tactics used by a fundamentalist religious group or cult, or even many churches.
It certainly does not relate to the practice or principles of the Law of Attraction, except the only connection being that if you consistently tell yourself that the contents of the book are true then you will make them true in your own life.
All Love and Reiki Hugs
Hi
This is from one of His other works.
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QUESTION:
How is it possible that so many people can find nothing in the Grail Message, while to me, with the Bible, it is everything?
ANSWER:
These people are probably predominantly sectarians, but not men who are still inwardly free. Whoever says that the Grail Message is easy, or offers nothing new, does not know It, has drawn nothing from It even if he has read It — in short, just he has not grasped It. It was too difficult for him, and therefore he finds It easy. That really says everything! Such a person, however, can take comfort in the thought that the Message is not meant for him either. He to whom It gives nothing has thereby received just what he deserved. Indeed this is part of the sifting. Later experiences will plainly show it.
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Peace and Light
Peter
QUESTION:
How is it possible that so many people can find nothing in the Grail Message, while to me, with the Bible, it is everything?
Answer? Some of us get our messages in other ways from other spirits.
Answer? Some of us get our messages in other ways from other spirits.
Whatever you deem to be True!
I only lead to the water!
Peace and Light
Peter
Hi
This is from one of His other works.
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QUESTION:
How is it possible that so many people can find nothing in the Grail Message, while to me, with the Bible, it is everything?ANSWER:
These people are probably predominantly sectarians, but not men who are still inwardly free. Whoever says that the Grail Message is easy, or offers nothing new, does not know It, has drawn nothing from It even if he has read It — in short, just he has not grasped It. It was too difficult for him, and therefore he finds It easy. That really says everything! Such a person, however, can take comfort in the thought that the Message is not meant for him either. He to whom It gives nothing has thereby received just what he deserved. Indeed this is part of the sifting. Later experiences will plainly show it.
...........................................................................................................................Peace and Light
Peter
Just the answer I expected after having read the Grail Message, which is quite clear on saying that if people don't 'get it' or 'believe what it says' in it's message then they are not truly spiritual people or, in it's phraseology, they "follow the antichrist", or they just don't understand, yet it relies on people believing in God, and taking the authors word as truth without any evidence to support it as truth. Essentially you have to believe it or you're somehow a failure or against those who do. It is this kind of argument that falls flat on it's face and shows it for what it really is... a text written from ego and the grasping of power. Anything that has to use fear to get people to believe cannot be truthful in my understanding, and there are plenty of spiritual people I've met who would disregard such texts and methods.
You asked me before to read it, and I did, as you said it would tell me the truth and prove the existence of God. Unfortunately it does not do that. It doesn't take 10 years to understand the tactics it uses in the fear mongering words, but I guess it can take 10 years to get so caught up in it's words that you believe them to be gospel truth and then to belittle those who can see it for what it is. I'd rather read the bible.
As I said before, it does not relate to the Law of Attraction.
All Love and Reiki Hugs
Just the answer I expected after having read the Grail Message, which is quite clear on saying that if people don't 'get it' or 'believe what it says' in it's message then they are not truly spiritual people or, in it's phraseology, they "follow the antichrist", or they just don't understand, yet it relies on people believing in God, and taking the authors word as truth without any evidence to support it as truth. Essentially you have to believe it or you're somehow a failure or against those who do. It is this kind of argument that falls flat on it's face and shows it for what it really is... a text written from ego and the grasping of power. Anything that has to use fear to get people to believe cannot be truthful in my understanding, and there are plenty of spiritual people I've met who would disregard such texts and methods.
You asked me before to read it, and I did, as you said it would tell me the truth and prove the existence of God. Unfortunately it does not do that. It doesn't take 10 years to understand the tactics it uses in the fear mongering words, but I guess it can take 10 years to get so caught up in it's words that you believe them to be gospel truth and then to belittle those who can see it for what it is. I'd rather read the bible.
As I said before, it does not relate to the Law of Attraction.
All Love and Reiki Hugs
Hi
It does relate to the Law of attraction, it is just that you can't find in the book yet, each lecture is like a building brick, going from one to the other, but you must have the foundations of the previous lecture.
This is how the author recommends it should be read=
(The hearer and reader of my lectures should always work within himself, keenly probing and building bridges from one lecture to the other, as well as out into the great and small world happenings! Only then will he be able to understand the Grail Message and find that it gradually shapes itself into one complete whole without leaving any gaps. Again and again in all the happenings the reader will come back to the basic features. He can explain everything and deduce everything without even having to change even one whole sentence …”
The author recommends that the lectures be read in sequence, and not picked out individually. Only in this way can the reader do justice to the work, and so find the answer to men’s questions about life, grasp the recognitions of the meaning of life, and thus achieve the right upbuilding.)
It seems you haven't read enough or long enough to realize who the author is, it seems many people who try to read it have many preconceived opinions, and if it doesn't balance in with their thoughts on what is true, then they believe it can't be true, perhaps it is not for you yet.
Peace and light
Peter
[COLOR="Green"]PJ7 - It seems to me that you also have preconceived opinions i.e. as to who may be reading this material. It also seems like you have to make quite a time commitment (let alone incentive) to uncover what this text says on LOA. Any chance of you offering soundbites/an appraisal of it?
Hi
It does relate to the Law of attraction, it is just that you can't find in the book yet, each lecture is like a building brick, going from one to the other, but you must have the foundations of the previous lecture.
This is how the author recommends it should be read=
(The hearer and reader of my lectures should always work within himself, keenly probing and building bridges from one lecture to the other, as well as out into the great and small world happenings! Only then will he be able to understand the Grail Message and find that it gradually shapes itself into one complete whole without leaving any gaps. Again and again in all the happenings the reader will come back to the basic features. He can explain everything and deduce everything without even having to change even one whole sentence …”
The author recommends that the lectures be read in sequence, and not picked out individually. Only in this way can the reader do justice to the work, and so find the answer to men’s questions about life, grasp the recognitions of the meaning of life, and thus achieve the right upbuilding.)
It seems you haven't read enough or long enough to realize who the author is, it seems many people who try to read it have many preconceived opinions, and if it doesn't balance in with their thoughts on what is true, then they believe it can't be true, perhaps it is not for you yet.
Peace and light
Peter
I've been reading it in order, and I've read plenty of it. (though not got to the end yet as it's hard going because it's so awful to read)
When you say "to realize who the author is"... is that meant to imply that I should recognize this person as the return of Jesus, or some saviour or God Himself? Sorry, but all that comes across from that author is ego from a person who chose to change his name to make himself sound more spiritual. He's not the first person to have done that.
He also says:
Look at the innumerable books:
They do not animate, they only weary the human spirit! And this is the proof of the barrenness of all they offer; for whatever wearies the spirit is never right.
Well, this book seems to weary my spirit, so it can never be right, by it's own definition. But of course you'll carry on telling me that's because I'm some unworthy antichrist who cannot possibly understand as I'm not good enough yet... but hang on...
Spiritual bread immediately refreshes, Truth revitalizes and Light animates!
Well, it didn't immediately refresh me. Instead it immediately showed up as being yet another preaching ego trip.
I could quote many things from those writing and indicate how they are using fear of impending doom and wording to twist people's beliefs that they have to believe what is said or be forever doomed themselves... but this thread is not the place... this thread is about the law of attraction, and I would ask that you demonstrate to us how this book supposedly helps people to work with the law of attraction, rather than just say "read this it's the truth" without any foundation.
Please feel free to demonstrate how it helps with the LOA.
All Love and Reiki Hugs
If I apply my understanding of everything begins and ends with a thought and our thoughts create our realities, then the simple reality of this thread is that we are all already living our life experiences utilising what the law of attraction intimates we should be, but a desire to experience something that arises in our everyday thinking aspect of consciousness, is not as powerful as an existing underlying core belief that is in opposition to the desired experience.
wow Paul, I had to read that several times to digest it...
I think I get what you're saying and if I've understood right, then yes, I agree.
An existing underlying core belief (as you put it) can certainly prevent one from being open to the things we wish to aquire using the law of attraction.
All Love and Reiki Hugs
Hi Giles :038:,
wow Paul, I had to read that several times to digest it...
Welcome to my world!!!!
Hi Giles, yes that it true, an existing underlying thought pattern and belief that arises as a core way of being will take precedence over our everyday thinking aspect of consciousness, so if an existing core way of being is in opposition to something we wish to utilise the law of attraction about, then it will disempower us from creating it.
But it actually goes a little deeper than that, the law of attraction states that we get what we focus upon the most, so telling ourselves something that we want 50,000 times a day that it will make it so, this is nonsense because if our core way of being was in agreement with what we wish to do or experience, then it would already be happening.
The reality is that whatever we are experiencing within our life experience within the Now, is there because we have underlying thought patterns and beliefs that are driving our core way of being, whose job it is to manifest our life experience, it does this all of the time utilising what is described as the law of attraction, this happens outside of most peoples awareness all of the time, simply because their awareness is focused outward instead of being focused inward.
we focus upon the most, so telling ourselves something that we want 50,000 times a day that it will make it so, this is nonsense because if our core way of being was in agreement with what we wish to do or experience, then it would already be happening.
Hi Paul ,
I agree with your post - I have just pulled a slither of text from it .
Just to add to the pot with this scenario in what you have stated above for which I resonate with, kinda throws freewill and choice out of the window .
I have an understanding that for one to have choice in this reality one's choice only becomes a choice if one has a chance to achieve / fulfil whatever one's choice contains .
If one's core way of being as you state expresses and reflects in a particular way then one has no freewill other than to attract / create inline with their core way of being / vibration / frequency .
x daz x
Hi Paul ,
I agree with your post - I have just pulled a slither of text from it .
Just to add to the pot with this scenario in what you have stated above for which I resonate with, kinda throws freewill and choice out of the window .
I have an understanding that for one to have choice in this reality one's choice only becomes a choice if one has a chance to achieve / fulfil whatever one's choice contains .
If one's core way of being as you state expresses and reflects in a particular way then one has no freewill other than to attract / create inline with their core way of being / vibration / frequency .
x daz x
[COLOR="Green"]It depends what you regard as freewill. I have no experience of creative manifestation/cosmic ordering, but it would indeed appear that many have found using their freewill and choice has been greatly beneficial in this scenario. Countless cases!!!
However, I use freewill all the time on a more simple but daily basis. (I think we all do but, perhaps, may have erroneously defined freewill as applying more to external situations). Freewill can be employed when interacting to situations, e.g. with awareness and intent. We choose how we can react. Indeed, psychologists view that that stress is not the situation but our reaction to it. Granted we have a kneejerk response to many circumstances (hard wiring), but this can be looked at, questioned and - if we so choose - changed.
For instance, I tended to get irritated when I just miss a bus. Kneejerk/automatic reaction. (As a cyclist, I resent having to get a bus in the first place, e.g. if it's raining). I have learnt to turn this around and not give myself a hard time. Choice! Freewill! With awareness, if I catch my reaction early enough (as it is about to be triggered), then I have more access to the steering wheel in terms of changing gear. Often I just change tactics/distraction and focus on something else.
Also, our core being can undergo fundamental changes. I used to have a fatalistic mindset (and suffer significantly from depression), e.g. "this is how it is" "nothing can be done". However, it was the very act of allowing the possibility of freewill to be real, i.e. that we influence how we feel/react that initiated a huge, beneficial transformation! 30 years on, I am still benefiting from having a positive thinking mindset. (I even wrote about this process in a short story - a few paragraphs - to inspire others).
Hi Paul ,
I agree with your post - I have just pulled a slither of text from it .
Just to add to the pot with this scenario in what you have stated above for which I resonate with, kinda throws freewill and choice out of the window .
I have an understanding that for one to have choice in this reality one's choice only becomes a choice if one has a chance to achieve / fulfil whatever one's choice contains .
If one's core way of being as you state expresses and reflects in a particular way then one has no freewill other than to attract / create inline with their core way of being / vibration / frequency .
x daz x
Hi Daz, no it is quite the reverse, our core way of being is entirely set up by self, we have the freedom to choose what we wish to form into a core belief and what we choose to disregard, most of this is established as we grow up and look to the world around us for direction.
Unfortunately we choose to forget the many times when we where belittled or things did not go as we expected them to and choose to spit our dummies out, whilst unwittingly making statements to self, that this is so and it will remain so always.
The reality is that we have utilised our free will to choose to disempower ourselves from achieving something, so that we can utilise our free will to choose to experience what it is like to struggle.
[COLOR="Green"]It depends what you regard as freewill. I have no experience of creative manifestation/cosmic ordering, but it would indeed appear that many have found using their freewill and choice has been greatly beneficial in this scenario. Countless cases!!!
However, I use freewill all the time on a more simple but daily basis. (I think we all do but, perhaps, may have erroneously defined freewill as applying more to external situations). Freewill can be employed when interacting to situations, e.g. with awareness and intent. We choose how we can react. Indeed, psychologists view that that stress is not the situation but our reaction to it. Granted we have a kneejerk response to many circumstances (hard wiring), but this can be looked at, questioned and - if we so choose - changed.
For instance, I tended to get irritated when I just miss a bus. Kneejerk/automatic reaction. (As a cyclist, I resent having to get a bus in the first place, e.g. if it's raining). I have learnt to turn this around and not give myself a hard time. Choice! Freewill! With awareness, if I catch my reaction early enough (as it is about to be triggered), then I have more access to the steering wheel in terms of changing gear. Often I just change tactics/distraction and focus on something else.
Also, our core being can undergo fundamental changes. I used to have a fatalistic mindset (and suffer significantly from depression), e.g. "this is how it is" "nothing can be done". However, it was the very act of allowing the possibility of freewill to be real, i.e. that we influence how we feel/react that initiated a huge, beneficial transformation! 30 years on, I am still benefiting from having a positive thinking mindset. (I even wrote about this process in a short story - a few paragraphs - to inspire others).
Freewill would be unconditioned / unlimited in my understanding . Meaning one has the total freedom to do and not to do and to create and to not create anything that is of one's choice . One's choices are entwined with one's freewill . Therefore one has supposedly or seemingly the freewill to choose whatever the mind desires / wishes to manifest .
By going by pauls example repeating over and over again 50,000 what one wants to attract won't make a blind bit of difference (like he said) if what one wishes to attract is not in line with one's core .
Its like a magnet cannot attract a banana .. a selfish person cannot attract selflessness, a selfless person cannot attract selfishness ..
One could say both have freewill to choose to entertain either state but it will never be, not until their core self aspect will resonate with change .
x daz x