He doesn't say a lot, does he? [url]What's he going to do to resurrect the 26 million trees that have died in California?[/url]
He was going to do a lot of things, e.g. close Guantanamo Bay detention camp, remember? Clearly there is a gulf between intention and ability once you are integrated into the political field... For instance, most people know that multinational corporations pull the political strings.
That said, it was just offered as an example into the interests of just one political leader and it was said recently.
Check this out...
One of the stages of grief is denial: [url]Are we feeling collective grief?[/url]
One of the stages of grief is denial: [url]Are we feeling collective grief?[/url]
This problem is so huge and its perceived impact so vast that I think most people's attitude is to bury their heads in the sand over it....pretend it doesn't exist, hope it goes away.
Grief is felt over a loss....as yet we have not 'lost' (but are losing). I would define 'lost' in this instance as the environmental impact being so great as to lead to the breakdown of society i.e. it no longer functioning.
This problem is so huge and its perceived impact so vast that I think most people's attitude is to bury their heads in the sand over it....pretend it doesn't exist, hope it goes away.
Grief is felt over a loss....as yet we have not 'lost' (but are losing). I would define 'lost' in this instance as the environmental impact being so great as to lead to the breakdown of society i.e. it no longer functioning.
I'd agree with much of this. But I feel huge grief for some things I have lost - just to give one: 20 years ago, buddleias were covered in butterflies, bees and hoverflies. We saw swarms of dragonflies and damsel flies. Now - it's one or two. Quite apart from the knock-on effect of fewer pollinators, I miss them.
I mourn the loss of things I know about but have never seen. The Great Barrier Reef, the Solomon Islands, the Bramble Cay melomys and many others dying in this mass extinction. Yes, we are 'losing'. Some are already lost.
I'd agree with much of this. But I feel huge grief for some things I have lost - just to give one: 20 years ago, buddleias were covered in butterflies, bees and hoverflies. We saw swarms of dragonflies and damsel flies. Now - it's one or two. Quite apart from the knock-on effect of fewer pollinators, I miss them.
I mourn the loss of things I know about but have never seen. The Great Barrier Reef, the Solomon Islands, the Bramble Cay melomys and many others dying in this mass extinction. Yes, we are 'losing'. Some are already lost.
Oh yes, obviously it is quite normal/natural to grieve over things lost in our lives that were dear to us.
You say you mourn for things you know about but have never seen - the difference between mourning and grieving is one of intensity, i.e. sorrow as opposed to deep sorrow. (I have felt sadness not to born at a different time). I would suggest that deep sorrow would arise following a real loss, i.e. from our direct experience.
Oh yes, obviously it is quite normal/natural to grieve over things lost in our lives that were dear to us.
You say you mourn for things you know about but have never seen - the difference between mourning and grieving is one of intensity, i.e. sorrow as opposed to deep sorrow. (I have felt sadness not to born at a different time). I would suggest that deep sorrow would arise following a real loss, i.e. from our direct experience.
I'm sorry, Amy, but you have no idea of the depth or otherwise of someone else's feelings. Why can you not simply accept?
(Your definition of 'real' loss seems shallow to me.)
You generally talk as if climate change is still in the future. Is this what you think?
I'm sorry, Amy, but you have no idea of the depth or otherwise of someone else's feelings. Why can you not simply accept?
(Your definition of 'real' loss seems shallow to me.)You generally talk as if climate change is still in the future. Is this what you think?
Sorry I did not mean to offend. I looked up the definition of both 'mourn' and 'grief' and so that was what I shared in my post. Perhaps you meant grief and not mourn then?
Climate change is ongoing of course but it has not peaked yet, i.e. there is still a little hope that we may be able to undo the worst case scenario.
Sorry I did not mean to offend. I looked up the definition of both 'mourn' and 'grief' and so that was what I shared in my post. Perhaps you meant grief and not mourn then?
Climate change is ongoing of course but it has not peaked yet, i.e. there is still a little hope that we may be able to undo the worst case scenario.
Which dictionary? I have always considered 'mourn' to mean 'express grief' - and a quick online check backs that up.
What do you mean by 'peaked' (in this context)? We cannot stop a rise of 1.5 degrees. It's highly unlikely that we will avoid 2 degrees warming. Even if we stop everything NOW we cannot avoid major catastrophe. Surely the things happening around the world right now are sufficient to show what worse things will happen soon.
So - what then is a 'worst case scenario', in your opinion?
Which dictionary? I have always considered 'mourn' to mean 'express grief' - and a quick online check backs that up.
What do you mean by 'peaked' (in this context)? We cannot stop a rise of 1.5 degrees. It's highly unlikely that we will avoid 2 degrees warming. Even if we stop everything NOW we cannot avoid major catastrophe. Surely the things happening around the world right now are sufficient to show what worse things will happen soon.
So - what then is a 'worst case scenario', in your opinion?
If you really want to split hairs over this - I looked at the first definition of 'mourn' on this link
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=mourn+define&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&ei=4c-0V-P2H8TU8geSyoHIDA
and the same with 'grieve'
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=mourn+define&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&ei=4c-0V-P2H8TU8geSyoHIDA#q=grieve+define
On closer inspection, i.e. other definitions, it would appear that the words can be used to mean the same thing. We have been here before with debating precise meanings of words...it doesn't help when different definitions of the same word shift the level of emotional intensity.
Yes even if we stopped everything now we cannot avoid a major catastrophe but, as mentioned, we may be able to avert a worst case scenario! By this I mean the extent to which the sea levels will rise (scientists seem unable to accurately guage this but, it would seem to be predictions were underestimated). This would, in turn, affect the very fabric of our society (e.g. an economic collapse might make the planet ungovernable).
I sense an undercurrent that you think I am trying to undermine the severity of climate change. If that is the case then you are wrong.