From a Shamanic point of view is the spiritual cause remote from the patient or is it something that they themselves have introduced.
There is no separation.
https://www.collegeofmedicine.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Saving-the-NHS-by-Michael-Dixon.pdf
A good article. What it doesn't say (and not by accident, I guess) is that this government, like many before it, wants the NHS to fail so that it can be privatised.
From a Shamanic point of view is the spiritual cause remote from the patient or is it something that they themselves have introduced.
Coming back to this thread in order to read Sally's post, I realise that my answer to this question didn't really answer anything. I'm sorry about that. I think I was rushed.
The cause of all illness is that something has gone wrong on the spiritual level. In our, non-shamanic, culture we generally have to look at this from a personal point of view. In a shamanic culture, if something is wrong with a member of the community, then something is wrong with the community. Therefore, the 'cure' will involve the community.
It could be something the individual has done, of course. But that doesn't mean that the community as a whole is not responsible. For example, among the Wana of Indonesia, there is a belief that liver-stealing spirits live in the forest. If someone goes into the forest and has his/her liver stolen the whole community will attempt to retrieve it - although it was, in the first place, an individual who went off into the forest without taking precautions.
The way I look at it is - we can get an intrusion (easily in our culture). And no one can get an intrusion if they are strong and 'full of themselves'. So the intrusion entered because the individual was 'weak' in some way. But our culture does not help us to be spiritually strong and self-aware and self-confident. So the problem which seems to be an individual one is, in fact, one of the culture.
I hope that explains it better.
I do think we should be going beyond medicine to address a lot of the health issues in the 21st Century wether it be physical or mental health, we are faced with so many modern dilemmas these days I don't think many GPs have a clue. Personally I will never go to a surgery again if I can help it, many docs are in their own little vacuum and I could write a book on this!
Spot on! Personally I think mental issues are and would be on the rise further.
Spot on! Personally I think mental issues are and would be on the rise further.
I think most GPS do their best. But they don't have the training or the time to know about everything. And even within the areas that they are supposed to know about (E.g. heart disease), they cannot always keep up with the science. And several doctors have been deemed 'unfit to practice' (worldwide) for giving advice that goes against the herd.
As for 'mental health' - I'm not saying that it doesn't exist, but the majority of 'mental illness' is a perfectly sane response to an insane world. It's a community problem, not an individual one.
A good article. What it doesn't say (and not by accident, I guess) is that this government, like many before it, wants the NHS to fail so that it can be privatised.
I don't think anyone wants the NHS to fail.....but there is no doubt in its current form it is not sustainable. Basically we need to scrap i and start again......but no-one would ever do that. As long as treatment remains free a the point of care it is not 'privatised' But I do feel a susem of co-payments is likely....maybe charges for food when you are in hospital...after all you would be buying food if you were at home. Maybe paying extra to have the particular brand of drug you want. ...( the equivalent of Heinz vs supermarket own brand)
I don't think anyone wants the NHS to fail.....but there is no doubt in its current form it is not sustainable. Basically we need to scrap i and start again......but no-one would ever do that. As long as treatment remains free a the point of care it is not 'privatised' But I do feel a susem of co-payments is likely....maybe charges for food when you are in hospital...after all you would be buying food if you were at home. Maybe paying extra to have the particular brand of drug you want. ...( the equivalent of Heinz vs supermarket own brand)
Seriously you really believe the government doesn't want the NHS to fail? I thought it was common knowledge that the NHS is being deliberately starved off funds to pave the way to make privatisation look attractive. The discussions I have had with hospital staff all agree that this is the case and they should know.
I don't think anyone wants the NHS to fail.....but there is no doubt in its current form it is not sustainable. Basically we need to scrap i and start again......but no-one would ever do that. As long as treatment remains free a the point of care it is not 'privatised' But I do feel a susem of co-payments is likely....maybe charges for food when you are in hospital...after all you would be buying food if you were at home. Maybe paying extra to have the particular brand of drug you want. ...( the equivalent of Heinz vs supermarket own brand)
You've not actually read what some politicians have said then, have you?
This, from 2015: https://www.theguardian.com/healthcare-network/2015/oct/02/nhs-one-way-road-privatisation
2016: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/anti-eu-leave-campaign-chief-arron-banks-nhs-privatised-a7022306.html
2015 again: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/paul-nuttall-want-privatise-nhs-9676639
What is on the cards is 'free at the point of care if you are covered by insurance'.
It's not sustainable because it was set up to be funded by taxes. Ever since, successive governments have cut income tax - especially for the top earners. You don't think they knew what would happen eventually?
Well, they all are on a mission. Few on a mission to serve humanity and the others in the name of national interest (more personally) want people to suffer and these people are the real villains.
Well, they all are on a mission. Few on a mission to serve humanity and the others in the name of national interest (more personally) want people to suffer and these people are the real villains.
And they are the ones who keep being voted in - so maybe we are in the minority!
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