It would be interesting to see, if the referendum were held again now (a week later) how many would vote the same way considering the upheaval, politically and the worldwide response and shock.
Which way will you go? The same, opposite or keep away?
Which way will you go? The same, opposite or keep away?
I would vote the same myself, but I know some who voted Leave who didn't expect it to actually win, and wish they hadn't. That says a lot.
I would vote the same myself, but I know some who voted Leave who didn't expect it to actually win, and wish they hadn't. That says a lot.
I would vote the same. How much of that was projection from media, one wonders...after all many many people enter into marriages and regret a week later. Regret-ability in humans is quite a common happening
The recent, sudden rise in hate crime is far from being projection from the media.
The National Police Chiefs' Council revealed there was a 54% increase in hate crimes reported from Thursday to Sunday last week, compared to the corresponding period last month
And people who hate, hate indiscriminately.
I personally don't think that we can vote to stay in the EU if there was another referendum, unless the immigration problem was addressed.
Uncontrolled immigration is a serious problem for the UK. If we had the land mass of Germany or France then it is quite possible that the impact of uncontrolled immigration would not be so damaging for local communities. We do need immigration and as far as I'm concerned immigrants are welcome, but not at the expense of our own communities. A points system similar to Australia should be introduced.
I see the insistence of free movement as a political argument, not an economical one. The EU has moved towards a central political approach rather than a nationalistic one. Other EU members are also not too comfortable with this "big Brother" knows best attitude.
I personally don't think that we can vote to stay in the EU if there was another referendum, unless the immigration problem was addressed.
Uncontrolled immigration is a serious problem for the UK..
We don't have uncontrolled immigration. EU members have the right to live and work here, as we have in other EU countries. Immigration is up to the individual countries. The government has a problem here, as they know that immigration both boosts the economy and loses votes.
By the way, we already have a points system.
I personally don't think that we can vote to stay in the EU if there was another referendum, unless the immigration problem was addressed.
Uncontrolled immigration is a serious problem for the UK. If we had the land mass of Germany or France then it is quite possible that the impact of uncontrolled immigration would not be so damaging for local communities. We do need immigration and as far as I'm concerned immigrants are welcome, but not at the expense of our own communities. A points system similar to Australia should be introduced.
I see the insistence of free movement as a political argument, not an economical one. The EU has moved towards a central political approach rather than a nationalistic one. Other EU members are also not too comfortable with this "big Brother" knows best attitude.
Well, immigration keeps getting mentioned a helluva lot in relation to the EU referendum.
As Crowan says, part of being in the EU is freedom to work anywhere in the EU, and that includes all the British people who work in other EU countries (it's a two way thing), so there is a level of control on immigration.
Of course that doesn't discredit the fact that there is an immigration issue, which has been highlighted in recent months by the refugees coming across from war torn parts of the world, though let's not forget that during WW2 there were immigrants from Germany, Poland and other countries who came to the UK and other European countries and who became working, tax paying citizens of those countries. At that time, though there were racist issues even then (there always will be no matter how hard we try) it was generally accepted that it was the moral thing to do, to accept those people and help them even though we were at war ourselves and struggling to survive. Everyone did their bit.
But yes, there is an immigration issue, and yes the EU does need to seriously look at how immigration is handled and supported within the EU, but that doesn't mean that those people seeking help should be shunned completely and left to die in the sea as they try and escape for their lives.
The other thing to consider is that immigration is only a small proportion of the whole business of what the EU is for, with it's other areas being things like the economics (trade deals etc.), security (intelligence sharing and combined forces), workers rights, common laws (only something like 7% (if I recall correctly) of our UK laws are influenced by the EU) etc etc. To say that we should leave the EU because of immigration is like saying that you've got a puncture in the tyre of your car, so you think we should ditch the whole car and hope we can find another way to travel (without knowing what travel options are available), rather than keep the car and deal with the puncture. That just doesn't make sense.
I think that suggesting that leaving the EU due to fears over immigration is comparable to ditching a car because of a flat tyre is a little over the top, and introducing "dying at sea" into the discussion is meaningless as the immigration focus is on EU members not refuges from the rest of the world.
I may be wrong but think it was a minister from Holland who said that the UK "immigration " problem was of our own making because we have such attractive incentives for eastern immigrants to come here. It is known in the EU that we do have this attraction, whether it be higher wages or free social services. The point is that for all intents and purposes we do have an open door policy for EU personnel. Free movement is written into the EU treaty's
Even the statement that to and from immigration balances out because we have free access to all the other EU country's is misleading. Many other country's do not have the standard of living that we enjoy so we do not "impose" on the host country.
I think that suggesting that leaving the EU due to fears over immigration is comparable to ditching a car because of a flat tyre is a little over the top, and introducing "dying at sea" into the discussion is meaningless as the immigration focus is on EU members not refuges from the rest of the world.
I may be wrong but think it was a minister from Holland who said that the UK "immigration " problem was of our own making because we have such attractive incentives for eastern immigrants to come here. It is known in the EU that we do have this attraction, whether it be higher wages or free social services. The point is that for all intents and purposes we do have an open door policy for EU personnel. Free movement is written into the EU treaty's
Even the statement that to and from immigration balances out because we have free access to all the other EU country's is misleading. Many other country's do not have the standard of living that we enjoy so we do not "impose" on the host country.
We don't have higher wages than the rest of the EU. We don't have 'free' social services. We certainly don't have a better benefit system. Most EU countries have at least the standard of living we have.
And bear in mind, most EU 'immigrants' come here to work and to pay taxes. Most UK citizens in Europe are retired.
We don't have higher wages than the rest of the EU. We don't have 'free' social services. We certainly don't have a better benefit system. Most EU countries have at least the standard of living we have.
And bear in mind, most EU 'immigrants' come here to work and to pay taxes. Most UK citizens in Europe are retired.
Taking Germany, France, Britain, Italy, and possibly Spain out of the equation that leaves 23 other country's. If you Goole minimum wage, benefits system, Population density you may see a different picture. Retired people normally take their wealth to the host country. Many EU immigrants send their wealth back to their own country of origin. Research indicates that many immigrants spend less in the host country than the resident population.
Inspiring stuff!
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jul/02/brexit-news-live-thousands-march-for-europe-in-post-referendum-protest
I think that suggesting that leaving the EU due to fears over immigration is comparable to ditching a car because of a flat tyre is a little over the top, and introducing "dying at sea" into the discussion is meaningless as the immigration focus is on EU members not refuges from the rest of the world.
My points were:
a) the "immigration" issue is only a small part of the whole of what the EU is about
b) whilst I appreciate you and some others may realise that the EU immigration is about EU citizens... many who voted to leave did keep referring to all the immigrants coming over "on the boats" which refers to the recent refugee crisis, but they fail to differentiate.
[url]Well, here was one person's reasons for leaving[/url]. When the UK is in such a state, maybe any change is desirable?